CMLL on Marca: 2019-11-29

Sonic as Santo

Recapped: 11/29/2019

Matches:

El Coyote & Espanto Jr. beat Oro Jr. & Sonic
(9:36 [4:28, 1:57, 3:11], 1/3, ok)

Chamuel, Microman, Perico Zakarías beat Átomo, Gallito, Guapito in a relevos increíbles match
(11:52 [7:48, 4:04], 1/2, ok)

Dulce Gardenia, Star Jr., Stuka Jr. beat Kawato San, Vangellys, Virus
(8:47 [2:57, 5:50], 1/2 DQ, ok)

Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Místico, Titán, Valiente
(14:18 [4:27, 4:14, 5:37], 1/3, good)

Soberano Jr. © beat Negro Casas for the Mexican National Welterweight Championship
(12:53, 2/3, good)

  1. Negro Casas casita (3:10)
  2. Soberano casita (1:07)
  3. Soberano guillotine moonsault (8:36)

Carístico, Felino, Último Guerrero vs Ángel de Oro, Cavernario, Volador Jr. in a relevos increíbles match
(10:49 [3:11, 2:13, 5:25], 2/3, ok)

What happened:

Titan headscissors

Angel de Oro and Felino continue to feud, though no challenges in front of the crowd tonight. Soberano kept his title over Negro Casas.

Bandido was introduced as a new CMLL signing after the fourth match. He had a brief skirmish with NGD. This was the most interesting thing of the night easily.

Kawato fouled Dulce Gardenia for the DQ, then challenged Dulce to a hair versus hair match. Dulce Gardenia accepts in between brawls.

Chamuel and Microman had issues during their match. Chamuel stole the pin from Microman in the first. Microman headscissors Chamuel when he seemed to be doing the same in the ring. The rudos attacked the tecnicos after the match.

Thoughts:

odd teamwork

The mixed sides main event was a cover to flip Angel de Oro and Felino, at least for one night. The problem was the fans cared not at all about Angel de Oro & Felino tonight and focusing the match around them made for a dead atmosphere. The crowd wasn’t into the main event all that much after what had been an interesting show to that point. It was fine, it just wasn’t much.

Negro Casas and Soberano had a slightly better version of the same title match they’ve had before. The finishing run was more interesting, with Casas coming close a lot of times on cradles instead of just the casita spot. Casas took a big impact at the end. The crowd was no more sold on cheering Soberano over Casas but that’s never going to happen. This wasn’t so much better than other matches that you need to see all of them but it was still good.

NGD didn’t do the first fall attack outside of the ring this week. It did end about the same way, though that was expected after the NGD/Bandido angle. The flow of the match was changed around a bit in between, feeling a bit fresher than usual. The underlining problems of the NGD taking most of the match are still there, but this was better than the recent matches.

Star Jr. goes over the top

Kawato San & Dulce Gardenia bringing their rivalry to Tuesday was the only real remit to the tercera. They did a good job of getting over Kawato’s agrees and Dulce’s willingness to fight back in a short time. The other tecnicos got a lot of time and did well with it. Star Jr. going over where most people go under Stuka Jr. was a neat variation.

The Micros match at least got through a whole Microman/Chamuel story in the course of the match and it was something different than they had done before. It wasn’t particularly interesting outside of the finishing spots, going too long of the story they had to tell.

A bit better opener than usual, with three people having good moments. Oro Jr.’s headscissors was a bigger spot than usual for an opener. Coyote’s willing to take big moves. Espanto is at his worst when it comes to taking moves from others. He struggled with Sonic’s finish in the second fall and it was no coincidence Sonic’s better moments came all with Espanto. Sonic was a tope from going full-on signature Santo spot.

Lucha Capital semifinals, lots of CMLL feuds tonight, Copa Junior back for some reason

AAA , CAPITAL (WED) 11/27/2019 Pinche Gringo Barbecue, Miguel Hidalgo, Distrito Federal [AAA, Furia de TitanesLucha CentralR de Rudo, thecubsfan]
1) Carta Brava b Argenis Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa)
10:25. Tiebreaker match, moving Poder del Norte into the elimination round.
2) Villano III Jr. b Dave The ClownAbismo Negro Jr. Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa)
12:00. Non-tournament match.
3) Lady Shani b KeyraLa Hiedra Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa)
12:13. Lady Shani and partners Faby Apache & Big Mami advance to next week’s final.
4) Puma King b PaganoAerostar Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa)
10:29. Puma King and partners Flamita & Bengala advance to next week’s semifinal.
5) Taurus b Psycho ClownMocho Cota Jr. Facebook video (posted by luchalibreaaa)
11:47. Taurus used a foul to beat Psycho Clown. Taurus and partners Rich Swann & Willie Mack advance to next week’s semifinal.

This wasn’t the overall best show to me, but Shani/Keyra/Hiedra was the best women’s match I’ve seen in Mexico this year. The opener and the fourth match were worth watching as well.

The playoff format was changed around at the start of the show. The short version is it’ll be three people from different teams facing off in the men’s finals, instead of the people on the same team as originally announced (and as still happening with the women.) Puma & Taurus’ wins got their teams to the semifinals, where each team will fight among themselves to determine two of the finalists. The third finalist comes from the four teams who lost on these shows. A vote was held on Facebook to pick one person from each of those teams to get a second chance, which ended up being Psycho Clown, Pagano, Hijo del Vikingo and Carta Brava. They’ll have a four way for the last spot in the finals to end the season,

AAA , CAPITAL (WED) 12/04/2019 Pinche Gringo Barbecue, Miguel Hidalgo, Distrito Federal
1) Lady Shani vs Big MamiFaby Apache [final]
2) Pagano vs Psycho ClownHijo Del VikingoCarta Brava Jr. [semifinal]
3) Flamita vs Puma KingBengala [semifinal]
4) Taurus vs Rich SwannWillie Mack [semifinal]
5) ? vs ????? [final]

Taurus sneaking in a foul on Psycho Clown seemed like something AAA might get back next week, so I’m picking those two. Puma feels like he’d fit in better than Flamita or Bengala. Psycho Clown is AAA’s biggest star but hasn’t really won anything in quite a while, so him getting this slightly meaningful belt seems justified. Lady Shani should be the pick in the women’s division.

CMLL seems to be slightly trying tonight, a change-up from recent events. Negro Casas is not the Negro Casas of even three years ago, but watching him in a singles match is still a treat. He challenges Soberano for the Mexican Welterweight Championship tonight, two days before both start for the World Welterweight Championship.

Felino & Angel de Oro face off in a relevos increibels main event, with the cat teaming with Caristico & Ultimo Guerrero against Oro, Cavernario and Volador. This year of CMLL booking suggests we should be ready for the 1v1 feud turning into a lot more. There’s a second relevos increibles match on the card, with the micros doing one for the first time. Rivals Micorman & Chamuel team up with Perico Zakarias against Atomo, Gallito and Guapito, which doesn’t sound like a set up for a good match. One more feud continues in the tercera, with Kawato San & Dulce Gardenia on opposite sides of a trio including Star Jr., Stuka Jr., Vangellys and Virus.

The rest of the card includes the weekly NGD showcase (against Mistico, Titan, and Valiente this week) and an Oro Jr. & Sonic vs El Coyote & Espanto Jr. in an iffy seeming opener. The show begins at 8:30 pm on Marca’s YouTube and I’ll be streaming it as well.

CMLL mentions Felino wrestling for Fukumen Mania this past week; CMLL is closer to Mr. Cacao than RevPro.

Angel del Amor says he hopes winning Mr. CMLL will get him booked in CMLL.

Rey Bucanero says he misses being in a regular trio or pair.

Mr. Niebla says he’ll return to the ring in 2020. He’s still dealing with joint pain.

Canek reminces about the time Arnold Schwarzenegger told him was very strong.

Lucha Central has a preview of the show.

Myzteziz says it was important to prove that Mexican wrestling could compete with elite athletes from other sports in Exatlon. He’s ready to feud with Argenis.

Ciclope & Miedo Extremo say they’ll be in Japan for about 25 days.

Puma King has a new video.

There will be a 100 years of Santo celebration at the Tulancingo Santo museum.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground 4×17.

Lineups

CMLL (SUN) 12/01/2019 Arena México
1) Bengala & Eléctrico vs Cholo & Yago
2) Retro, Robin, Súper Astro Jr. vs Grako, Nitro, Príncipe Odín Jr.
3) Esfinge, Pegasso, Príncipe Diamante vs Cancerbero, Espíritu Negro, Raziel
4) Atlantis Jr., Black Panther, Blue Panther vs Kawato San, Okumura, Pólvora
5) Titán vs Negro CasasSoberano Jr.Rey CometaTemplarioStigmaEl AudazDulce GardeniaFugazStar Jr.DroneFuego [CMLL WELTER, semifinal]
6) Carístico vs Forastero

Instead of 4 tecnicos and 4 rudos, it’s 10 tecnicos and 2 rudos. It’s still lame Dragon Lee isn’t around but Titan or Cometa or Templario picking up a title would be fun and plausible. Like, Drone & Fuego winning a title would be fun but that’s not happening. This is the usual “last two people have a match next week.”

CMLL (MON) 12/02/2019 Arena Puebla
1) Hijo de Centella Roja & Meyer vs Fuerza Chicana & Joker
2) Arkalis, Millenium, Rey Samuray vs Cancerbero, El Malayo, Raziel
3) Perverso vs Toro Bill Jr. [lightning]
4) El Audaz, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Pólvora, Tiger, Vangellys
5) Carístico, Star Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
6) Volador Jr. vs Euforia

The lightning match against suggests they’re just picking matches at random here. It’s a choice.

CMLL (TUE) 12/03/2019 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Fantástico, Johnny Dinamo, Principe Daniel vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga
2) Princesa Sugehit, Silueta, Skadi vs Amapola, Reina Isis, Tiffany
3) Black Panther, Esfinge, Volcano vs Furia Roja, Okumura, Rey Bucanero
4) Kráneo, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cavernario, Felino, Shocker
5) Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas

Volador having a busy week. Shocker not getting booked outside of Guadalajara for now. Skadi exists. She hasn’t made TV in two months.

CMLL (TUE) 12/03/2019 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Violencia & Pierrothito
2) Eléctrico, Pegasso, Príncipe Diamante vs Cancerbero, Espíritu Negro, Raziel
3) Blue Panther Jr. vs DroneSangre ImperialSúper Astro Jr.Guerrero Maya Jr.Oro Jr.Hijo del SignoLeonoTigerYago [Copa Jr., semifinal]
4) Ángel de Oro, Dulce Gardenia, Niebla Roja vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Carístico vs Euforia

Another tournament! Copa Jr. hasn’t been seen 2016 (Esfinge beat Puma.) It reads as there’s another block coming on 12/10 and a final on 12/17. Leono being included is notable because he’s not been mentioned as a second-generation wrestler to this point and he’s been in CMLL forever. Maybe he got recently adopted. Maybe someone thought the Monterrey Leono was his dad.

CMLL stripping Kawato San of the lightweight championship was baffling at the time and now more so since they’ve clearly got a dozen things more important than deciding a new champion.

MEXA WRESTLING (SAT) 12/07/2019 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Canival, Mike, Teelo, Voltrex vs A. Oriental, Dinámico, Noicy Boy, Spider Fly
2) Fresero Jr. vs 12345678910 [Copa Mexa 2019]
3) Toro Negro vs Avisman
4) Fly Warrior, Pequeño Aéreo, Puma de Oro vs Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Torito Negro
5) Arcángel Divino vs Séptimo DragónToxinZumbidoÚltimo Maldito
6) Flamita vs Puma King,vs Rey Horus
7) El Bandido vs Aramis
8) Lunatik Fly & Sádika vs Fly Star & Lady Flammer and La Heroína & Lunatik Xtreme and Sadik Maiden & Sobredosis [cage, relevos suicidas]
9) ? vs ?? [mask, hair]

Is Lunatik Fly or Fly Star going to lose their hair again? Maybe. Bandido vs Aramis should be fun; it really doesn’t seem so long when Bandido was the young guy against world traveler Flamita in this same building. The opener is a rematch of the match that went viral.

great match roundup, week of 2019-11-16

Vikingo is amazing

recaps

The Juarez was better than I thought live, once I went looked at what I actually rated things. Nothing was great but a lot of watchable stuff. Most of the rest of this week was exhausting.

All 2019 round-up posts2019 MOTYC list

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good Big Mami, Máscarita Dorada, Niño Hamburguesa vs Demus, Keyra, Lady Maravilla  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch)) AAA on Twitch: 2019-11-17 2019-11-17
good Daga © vs TaurusBrian CageFlamita for the AAA Latin American Championship  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch)) AAA on Twitch: 2019-11-17 2019-11-17
good Dr. Wagner Jr., Pagano, Psycho Clown vs Averno, Blue Demon Jr., Chessman  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch)) AAA on Twitch: 2019-11-17 2019-11-17
good Niebla Roja © vs Mephisto for the CMLL World Light Heavyweight Championship LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-18 2019-11-18
good Látigo vs Eclipse Jr.Parka Negra Facebook video (posted by LuchaCapital) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-20 2019-11-20
good Audaz, Kráneo, Star Jr. vs Hechicero, Rey Bucanero, Templario LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 22 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-22 2019-11-22

Other Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Mamba, Murder Clown, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Arez, La Parka Negra, Monsther Clown  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch)) AAA on Twitch: 2019-11-17 2019-11-17
ok Hijo Del Vikingo, Nicho el Millionario, Taya vs Ayako Hamada, Rey Escorpión, Texano Jr.  (posted by Lucha Libre AAA (Twitch)) AAA on Twitch: 2019-11-17 2019-11-17
ok Carístico vs Gran Guerrero CARÍSTICO vs GRAN GUERRERO (11-10-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) Carístico vs Gran Guerrero (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL A Ras De Lona: 2019-11-17 2019-11-10
ok Halcón Suriano Jr. & Robin vs Rey Apocalipsis & Toro Bill Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-18 2019-11-18
ok La Magnifica, La Maligna, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, La Metálica, Reyna Isis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-18 2019-11-18
ok Carístico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-18 2019-11-18
ok Blue Panther Jr., Pegasso, Príncipe Diamante vs Cancerbero, Espíritu Negro, Raziel LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-19 2019-11-19
ok Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Vangellys in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-19 2019-11-19
ok Dulce Gardenia, Kráneo, Rey Cometa vs Ephesto, Kawato San, Luciferno LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-19 2019-11-19
ok Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Niebla Roja vs Cavernario, Felino, Mephisto LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-19 2019-11-19
ok Arez vs BengalaWillie Mack Facebook video (posted by LuchaCapital) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-20 2019-11-20
ok Pagano vs Niño HamburguesaMocho Cota Jr. Facebook video (posted by LuchaCapital) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-20 2019-11-20
ok Angelito & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Universo 2000 & Pierrothito LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 22 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-22 2019-11-22
ok Blue Panther Jr., Drone, Stigma vs Kawato San, Okumura, Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 22 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-22 2019-11-22
ok Black Panther vs Esfinge in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 22 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-22 2019-11-22
ok Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón vs Stuka Jr., Titán, Valiente LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 22 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-22 2019-11-22
ok Místico, Soberano Jr., Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 22 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-11-22 2019-11-22
below average Abismo Negro Jr. vs AerostarMurder Clown Facebook video (posted by LuchaCapital) Lucha Capital: 2019-11-20 2019-11-20
not rated Black Tiger & Policeman vs Ares & Guerrero Espacial LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-18 2019-11-18
not rated Ángel de Oro, Dulce Gardenia, Stigma vs Hijo del Villano III, Okumura, Templario LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 18 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-18 2019-11-18
not rated Bengala & Sangre Imperial vs Apocalipsis & Inquisidor LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-19 2019-11-19
not rated Eléctrico, Halcón Suriano Jr., Oro Jr. vs Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo, Nitro LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-11-19 2019-11-19
watch later Ángel de Oro vs Euforia Ángel de Oro vs Euforia (from CMLL Guadalajara: 2019-11-16) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2019-11-16 2019-11-12