Caristico/Forastero & Volador/Cavernario set up for next week

Tiger bomb

CMLL (TUE) 10/01/2019 Arena México [CMLL, Lucha Central, thecubsfan]
1) Bengala & Leono b Apocalipsis & Cholo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1 DE OCTUBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:05. Rudos took 1/3.
2) Dalys, La Infernal, Tiffany b La Guerrera, La Maligna, Lluvia LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1 DE OCTUBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:57. Rudas took 2/3
3) Drone, Fuego, Pegasso b Misterioso, Sagrado, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1 DE OCTUBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:27. Tecnicos took 1/3.
8:58. Virus won via an armscissors.
5) Atlantis, Kráneo, Volcano b Felino, Hechicero, Rey Bucanero LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1 DE OCTUBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:46. Tecnicos took 1/3.
6) Forastero, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas b Carístico, Diamante Azul, Soberano Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 1 DE OCTUBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:03. Straight falls, Forastero using a mask pull to pin Caristico. Singles match next week.

Caristico & Forastero hype up their singles match, Virus talks about his win. Bonus media interviews: Caristico, Forastero, Kraneo & Volcano.

I actually watched this show last night. I blame it for why I feel tired today. Virus/Audaz or the third match were the best matches but neither felt like something noteworthy. Forastero getting elevated into a regular challenger (even if a title isn’t on the line) is good for CMLL overall even if he hasn’t had a great match yet. It does seem strange he seems to be getting more of those matches than his cousins, but they’re using him in places where he’s going to take the loss and I’m not sure they want that for Sanson & Cuatrero.

CMLL (TUE) 10/01/2019 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga b Fugaz, Johnny Dinamo, Principe Daniel
rudos took 2/3.
2) Explosivo, Magia Blanca, Robin DQ Akuma Gran Kenut, Difunto, Espanto Jr.
Espanto unmasked Robin
3) Átomo, Gallito, Microman DQ Chamuel, Guapito, Perico Zacarías
Chamuel unmasked Microman again
4) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Blue Panther, Flyer, Stuka Jr.
5) Cavernario, Cuatrero, Sansón DQ Místico, Valiente, Volador Jr.
Cavernario faked a foul to draw a DQ, setting up a match with Volador next week.

Cavernario may be better in his home arena than the last match between those two, but I’m not too hyped. A lot of DQs on this show.

CMLL Informa has Mistico on today, which is previewed as if he’s going to talk about the situation with Rush and Dragon Lee. That does not seem like a fun time for Mistico. It is funny if CMLL’s main concern here is that they didn’t lose another Mistico. Rush’s press conference is scheduled to start about 5:30 pm. I’m not sure if I’m going to be watching either live but check Twitter.

I hadn’t thought about this yet, but I wonder if the “no fathers can face their sons” CMLL rule is effectively dead with La Bestia del Ring gone? CMLL seems less troubled about having Soberano and Euforia wrestle.

Marcela was scheduled to team with her daughter Skadi on Saturday in Gimnasio Hercules for women-focused promotion HUMO. She’s out due to her ankle injury. Stepping in will be Faby Apache. That match is now changed to Faby Apache & Goya Kong versus Skadi & Tiffany.

That’s an AAA luchadora teaming with a Nacion luchadoras against two CMLL luchadoras in Mexico City. A direct confrontation between CMLL & AAA wrestlers is rare, but AAA wrestlers and CMLL ones being on the same card is becoming less so. The Panthers brothers were on the same DTU show as Penta a week ago. Blue Panther Jr. & Eterno were on opposite sides of an Ultimo Dragon show a week prior. +LuchaTV, taking advantage of Penta & Fenix teasing a match with Dragon Lee & Rush on Twitter, posted them actually having that match in July.

I still know Dragon Lee (& Cavernario) were told not to work PWG because CMLL didn’t want them on the same show as Penta & Fenix, but it is a policy haphazardly applied. The women and the Panthers haven’t been and aren’t getting fired for working on a show with AAA wrestlers and violating the rules of CMLL. Some of that is probably ignorance – CMLL doesn’t know all the shows their wrestlers work – but it also points at the other issues between Dragon Lee & CMLL being a big part of what happened.

AAA luchadors were in Guaymas, Sonora on Monday night. Early Tuesday morning, La Parka received a phone call from a man threatening to hurt the luchador and his family if he didn’t follow instructions. A second luchador (from Guayamas) was also called by the same man or people working with him, saying they had the first wrestler and his family, and would not release them without payment of 1,000,000 pesos ($50,500 USD). They called the police and found out everyone was ok, so no money was ever sent. The police are working to find those people trying the extortion scheme.

AAA’s Twitch stream on Saturday is now starting at 20:15, 15 minutes later than had been scheduled. The issue here, as much as it is really is even an issue, is AAA advertises the bell time but doesn’t want to start the stream until after the dark match. The start time gets changed the week of every show as they figure out how much time they need to give the pre-stream stuff.

IWRG posted a photo of their owner (and the president of the PALL group of promotions) Marco Antonio Moreno, meeting with the president of the Red Cross of Naucalpan. The idea is the Red Cross will be providing the promised health care to wrestlers who sign with PALL, while PALL’s 11/20 show will be a benefit for the Red Cross.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.


NLL (SAT) 10/12/2019 Deportivo Ciudad Jardin, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) Centurion vs Mr. LeoAlas de Oro
2) Heddi Karaoui vs Dual
3) Kong Alvarado vs Reina OscuraHija De GatubelaPrincesa AzulLolita Ángel
4) Galeno Del Mal & Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Emperador Azteca & Séptimo Dragón
5) Sangre Azteca & Súper Nova vs Antheus & Fresero Jr.
6) Brazo De Oro Jr., Hijo De Dos Caras, La Máscara vs Cien Caras Jr., Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Mr. Electro

Nacion seems to be getting on a regular schedule, though they’re still going to have a week of no new matches unless they air these almost live. This seems to be the 2.0 version; no foreigners, Alberto not even on the poster. This feels like the post-CMLL Elite lineups, which didn’t work out well for them. Elite happens to be running the same night, though that’s about 40 minutes driving away.

Not sure what’s going on with some of the names. It doesn’t appear anyone owns a trademark on Goya Kong to change that, and not sure why Lolita has added Angel (her pre-AAA character).

Mistico vs Ultimo Guerrero in CMLL, Rush press conference delayed, Soberano/Templario title match Sunday

Chamuel’s gotta stop looking up

CMLL (MON) 09/30/2019 Arena Puebla [CMLL]
1) Fuerza Chicana, Joker, Rey Apocalipsis b Astro, Dark Soul, Millenium LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
rudos took 1/3.
2) Oro Jr., Súper Astro Jr., Tigre Rojo Jr. b El Malayo, Perverso, Policeman LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Metálica b Sanely [lightningLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Átomo, Gallito, Microman b Chamuel, Guapito, Perico Zakarías LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tencicos took 2/3.
5) Hechicero, Templario, Terrible b Flyer, Stuka Jr., Titán LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
6) Carístico, Místico, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 2/3, the last by DQ when UG fouled Mistico to set up a singles match.

Puebla was headed to Mistico vs UG last week, Ultimo Guerrero wins almost all their singles matches (Mistico won the last one), so Ultimo Guerrero defeating Mistico next week would mean nothing special in a normal context. This is not a normal context, this was Mistico wrestling his first CMLL match since his brothers were fired. Mistico has said he plans on staying in CMLL and is going to have to deal with everyone’s expecting him to flee whenever he’s free to do so. That everyone may include CMLL itself, which may make the next stretch of his career rough. On the other hand, most people expected a guy like Robin to leave CMLL after members of his family were fired and he’s still hanging around in openers. Mistico’s going to be on Informa this week, which is going to be a fun chat.

CMLL announced an absurd 13 people for CMLL Informa this week. They’re having groups of people to talk about their Aniversario matches and Gran Alternativa. Reycko was mentioned and he’s not yet in either, though I guess he’s in the tournament. The Rush/Dragon Lee story has gotten enough attention that CMLL probably needs someone more in an official position of power than JCR to assure the type of diehards who come to Informa that everything is alright. The issue is that that message has to come from Sofia Alonso, or it would confirm she’s doesn’t have the power she did last time, and who knows if she wants to be the public face of this mess. Whoever made the call to send out that press release should stand behind it and explain it to the true believers who are at Wednesday talk show, but often it seems like the only brave people in CMLL are those in the ring.

Policeman, Loco Max, Kalifa and Gato Gris were honored by the Puebla government for their contributions to local lucha libre.

+LuchaTV has a new edition of their podcast. There is loud hammering for about the first 25 minutes. It stops about for about 10 minutes and then comes back.

Rush’s press conference was moved to Wednesday. His tweet says it’s 5 pm, his graphic says it’s 5:30, so figure on 6 pm. It may be starting as CMLL Informa finishes up.

Penta & Fenix may no longer be working the 10/23 Lucha Va Voom show, a show that happened to be the same night as the semi-finals of the AEW tag team tournament. They are advertising Soberano & Rey Horus vs Hijo de Dr. Wagner & Magno as the main event for that night now, and Soberano & Rey Horus vs Penta Zero M & Rey Fenix on the next day. Given recent situations, I hope Soberano has very clear permission to work that match. Lucha Va Voom doesn’t always advertise matches so it seems notable they put that Lucha Brothers information out there.

On his podcast, Dave Meltzer mentioned the segment on WWE Raw last night where Brock Lesnar destroyed Rey Mysterio and his son is hoped to lead to Cain Velasquez coming in to face Lesnar. Meltzer notes that WWE hasn’t actually signed Velasquez at this point. As best as we know, Velasquez can’t sign with anyone until after the AAA LA show is completed. I have no idea what that means if the AAA LA show is canceled or postponed.

AAA held a press conference to announce it’s participation with the 10/27 Guadalajara Fair, with a show at Auditorio Benito Juarez. It does not appear to be a Twitch show; they’re streaming the night before. One of the matches on the show is Copa Revolucion, where AAA wrestlers will wear masks representing different cities in the state. (Poster says 14, but 12 towns are listed.) They did a draw to determine which wrestlers would get each mask. I took my best guess at following along, but this is probably not perfectly correct.

  • Bengala – Chapala
  • Octagon Jr. – Lagos de Moreno
  • Eclipse – Cihuatlán
  • Argenis – Colotlán
  • Villano III Jr. – Zapotitlán
  • Dinastia – Sayula
  • Abismo Negra Jr. – Amecca
  • Murder Clown – Zapotlanejo
  • Ultimo Maldito – Union de Tula
  • Mini Gronda – Acatlán
  • Tiger Boy – Tepatitlán
  • Aramis – Puerto Vallerta

That’s not all the big cities of Jalisco; I think I could find someone to represent Tala. For what it’s worth, the LA show didn’t come up in the press conference. Though neither did this weekend’s show either; they only mentioned the Antonio Pena mass on Thursday. Vikingo not being involved in a show about three weeks from now doesn’t seem like a great sign, but maybe he’s elsewhere.

GALLI has a poster for Bound for Glory with Aerostar, Wagner & Taurus on it (as well as Konnan), so they’re probably the team taking on the Rascalz on 10/20 outside of Chicago. They also have a link for $10 ticket GA tickets.

Ian Riccaboni says he’ll be part of the English voiceovers for the CMLL Aniversario show, which will be on HonorClub. It’s going up late this week or early next week.

Nicho defeated Pagano in the main event of the AAA/EMW show in Tijuana this weekend. For whatever reason, they handed out the Tijuana 2018 awards during this end of September show.

  • Luchador: Bestia 666
  • Tecnico: Black Destiny
  • Rudo: Black Danger
  • Revelation: Xperia
  • Luchador best outside of Mexico: Rey Horus
  • Luchadora best outside of Mexico: Lady Lee
  • Tag Team: Arandu & TJ Boy (Los Locos del Ring)
  • Referee: El Catrin (Abel Alvarez)
  • Novato: Terror Azteca
  • Match: Arkangel Divino, Genio del Aire, Black Destiny vs Black Danger, Mirage, Ultimo Maldito from 04/20 (the AAA TV one)

Herodes Jr. was mocking younger wrestlers who say they’re doing Strong Style by doing Canadian Destroyers last night. In response, Crazy Boy mentioned that he bans anyone in his DTU Alto Impacto matches from doing Canadian Destroyer, backcrackers, or anything similar.

RIOT 420 on 11/02 Arena LLF

Asterisco Jr. took Corazon de Barrio’s hair in Reynosa on Sunday.

An interview with Merida’s Panther Boy Jr., who is not actually related to Panther Boy. His parents were fans of wrestling but not fans of him wrestling.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.


CMLL (TUE) 10/01/2019 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Fugaz, Johnny Dinamo, Principe Daniel vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga
2) Explosivo, Magia Blanca, Robin vs Akuma, Difunto, Espanto Jr.
3) Átomo, Gallito, Microman vs Chamuel, Guapito, Perico Zacarías
4) Blue Panther, Flyer, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Místico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Cuatrero, Sansón

The Tuesday lineup didn’t come out until Monday. Guadalajara seems to want to use their own posters, or maybe there’s confusion over who’s doing the posters in general and so they’re coming out late? It’s strange. The main event was heading towards another Volador/Cavernario match last week.

PALL , MexaWrestling (SAT) 10/05/2019 Arena San Juan Pantitlan, Ciudad Nezahualcóyotl, Estado de México
1) ? vs ?? [Copa Meta Fest]
2) Lunatik Fly vs SobredosisSherekhanCobreZiha
3) Atomic Star & Baby Star vs Fulgor I & Fulgor II and Alas de Oro & Alas De Plata and Sádico & Yoruba
4) Centvrión, Dinamic Black, Mr. Leo vs Fly Warrior, Príncipe Aéreo, Puma de Oro
5) Apolo Estrada, Fresero Jr., Toro Negro vs Cerebro Negro, Dr. Karonte Jr., Fantasma de la Ópera
6) Gallego & Romano García vs Demonio Infernal & Lunatic Xtreme
7) Divo, Emperador Azteca, Imposible vs Dragón Bane, Fly Star, Hijo de Canis Lupus

This show is called MexaFest. It just seems like a lot of tag matches. IT should be fine.

CMLL (SUN) 10/06/2019 Arena México
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Olímpico & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Oro Jr., Star Jr., Stigma vs Disturbio, Espanto Jr., Nitro
3) Black Panther, Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr. vs Misterioso, Pólvora, Universo 2000 Jr.
4) Ángel de Oro, Kráneo, Niebla Roja vs Felino, Rey Bucanero, Terrible
5) Soberano Jr. © vs Templario [MEX WELTER]
9th defense
6) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Místico vs Gilbert el Boricua, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

Soberano & Templario will have two singles matches in three days, though the Sunday one is technically the bigger one. (They’ll also be airing about 9 days apart.)

CMLL (SUN) 10/06/2019 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Baron Blanco Jr. & El Alteño vs Carlo Roggi & Fúnebre
2) El Divino, Fantástico, Mágico vs Demonio Maya, Demonio Rojo, Paymon
3) Luminoso, Mr. Samurai, Vaquero Jr. vs Frezzer, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno
4) Explosivo, Gallo, Hijo del Solar vs Exterminador, Maléfico, Ráfaga
5) Solar I & Súper Astro vs Máscara Año 2000 & Satánico

Two straight weeks of Satanico main events makes me wonder if Satanico is the guy in charge here now. Or someone who is a fan of his.