great match roundup, week of 2019-07-27

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All 2019 round-up posts2019 MOTYC list

I keep thinking I’m really far behind and I guess I’m not? I could’ve taken time to watch indie matches but I figured it was better to get this up. TripleMania is next in the list, but there’s no reason in holding this up until I get that written up.

Euforia & Gran Guerrero was a fun little treat. Gran Guerrero wasn’t quite as good with Dragon Lee but it was a good week for him.

I’m writing this after seeing and writing about the Volador/Dragon Lee match. It’s not going to be a nice review. I’m not going to write about Rush/Volador unless I get to praise it, there’s no real point.

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Euforia & Gran Guerrero © vs Ángel de Oro & Niebla Roja for the CMLL World Tag Team Championship LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
good Dragón Lee vs Gran Guerrero in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-08-02 2019-08-02

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Marcela vs Metálica in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Eléctrico, Millennium, Rey Samuray vs El Malayo, El Perverso, Virus LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr., Stigma vs Felino, Hijo del Villano III, Tiger LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Carístico, Euforia, Volador Jr. vs Dragón Lee, La Bestia Del Ring, Rush in a relevos increíbles match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
ok Blue Panther Jr. vs Misterioso Jr. in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
ok Dulce Gardenia, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Okumura, Universo 2000 Jr., Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
ok Atlantis, Audaz, Flyer vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
ok Átomo, Gallito, Microman vs Chamuel, Guapito, Periko Zacarías LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
ok Marcela vs AmapolaLa MetálicaTiffanySanelyLa InfernalMalignaLa GuerreraLa SeductoraAvispa Dorada [CMLL Universal Femenil] and in a tournament semifinal match CAMPEONATO UNIVERSAL DE AMAZONAS PRIMERA FASE (08-03-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
ok Cavernario, Dark Magic, Último Guerrero vs Ciber the Main Man, Rush, Terrible in a relevos increíbles match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) RUSH, TERRIBLE Y CIBER THE MAIN MAN vs ULTIMO GUERRERO, BÁRBARO CAVERNARIO Y DARK MAGIC (08-03-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
ok Carístico, Místico, Volador Jr. vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
below average Oro Jr. & Súper Astro Jr. vs Dark Magic & Sangre Azteca LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE AGOSTO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2019-08-02 2019-08-02
not rated King Jaguar & Meyer vs Policeman & Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 29 DE JULIO DE 2019 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-29 2019-07-29
not rated Acero & Aéreo vs Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
not rated La Jarochita, Lluvia, Skadi vs Dalys, La Comandante, Reyna Isis LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 30 DE JULIO DE 2019 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2019-07-30 2019-07-30
watch later Volador Jr. vs Rush Volador Jr. vs Rush (2019-07-23) @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL Guadalajara: 2019-07-27 2019-07-23
watch later Súper Astro Jr. vs Oro Jr. in a lightning match ORO JR vs SUPER ASTRO JR (07-21-2019) (posted by HVSLuchaLibre) Súper Astro Jr. vs Oro Jr. in a lightning match (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on TV Mexiquense: 2019-07-28 2019-07-21

Ciber vs UG in an Aniversario preview?, CMLL in ROH, ELITE on AAA YouTube, RIOT

tonight

CMLL’s luchadora tournament – officially the Universal de Amazonas del CMLL Championship – continues on for a very predictable block. Dalys has been on the winning side of every CMLL Arena Mexico she’s had since May. Dalys isn’t the CMLL Women’s Champion but generally booked like she’s still the best woman in the division. No one else in this block has held a CMLL championship or won a major apuesta match; there are some REINA championship reigns when CMLL was still actively using those championships, but that’s about it. The expectation from the start of this tournament is Dalys would win her block, win the final, and then likely beat Marcela to win back the CMLL Women’s Championship. (That’d be perfectly fine if people were into Dalys.) Dalys losing here would be one of the bigger shocks of the year.

The heavyweight championship also has the creeping feeling of inevitably. Ciber versus Ultimo Guerrero tonight seems like a preview of those same two in the main event the Anniversary show 5 or 6 weeks from now. There are just no other options, so it’s that match or something completely out of nowhere. I’m very ready for something out of nowhere; the last singles match wasn’t good, the trios matches in between haven’t been good and it doesn’t seem like the CMLL crowd (who may have turned over since when Ciber was a top AAA wrestler) care about this as much as the people involved or the people booking it. CMLL has programmed Ciber and the CL4N strongly since coming to CMLL, with a short trios title reign last year. It seems like a coin flip if CMLL will do it again with Ciber winning the heavyweight championship. It’s the thing CMLL would normally do to build up this match, but I’m not sure this match could be built up. My gut feeling is Ciber wins thru dubious means, UG makes the hair match challenge for the Aniversario, and there’s a press conference next week to make it official.

The rest of the show seems fine though nothing stands out as certainly good. Volador & Dragon Lee go from facing each other on Monday to teaming on Friday. Diamante Azul, who did not look ready to return on Monday, is back in the main event. They face the odd combo of Gran Guerrero, Euforia and Forastero. The other NGD members team with Negro Casas against Angel de Oro, Niebla Roja, and Valiente. Dulce Gardenia returns to Friday nights in a trio with Atlantis Jr. & Titan against Ephesto, Okumura, and Mephisto, who seems everywhere right now. Sangre Azteca & Nitro take on Oro Jr. & Magnus, who has promised to be the craziest luchador ever. It’ll be tough to pull off working with those two stationary vets.

The show streams on Marca and on YouTube. I’ll stream it on YouTube as well.

Lucha Central has a preview of the show.

At the arena, Espanto & Akuma are taking photos, Polvora is signing the book, Sagrado is riding the Turiluchas bus and Diamante Azul is going to Freedoms. Which is odd if he’s in the main event.

La Comandante, La Magnifica, Lluvia, and Mysiqute talk about the match. Comandante plans on working with Dalys to eliminate all the young people, a proven effective strategy.

The best CMLL match today might be in Ring of Honor. Caristico, Soberano and Stuka team up against Barbaro Cavernario, Hechicero, Templario tonight in Toronto. It’s never completely clear how hard CMLL wrestlers are going to go in another promotion, but they’ve generally been good in ROH so far. Rush versus Dalton Castle (possibly the end of that feud) and Bandido in a tag match are also on that card. The ROH show airs on the Honor Club service – it seems like it’s part of the normal service and not an extra cost PPV – and it starts two hours before the CMLL show at 6:30 pm.

It takes some weird wrestling logic, but Guerra de Titanes appears to be on October 19th in Orizaba. It was also more likely there than in Toluca (which is usually a smaller venue.) The tipping point was Vampiro announcing he had to cancel a booking because he was too busy and the promoter didn’t get back to him with a deposit. That booking happens to be on 10/19 and Vampiro had previously mentioned he was coming back to AAA in October.

In other strange cancelation news, LA Park may be off next Friday’s NEW show in New York.

ELITE has been running AAA vs ELITE shows the last month that are advertised as being recorded for television. The television turns out to be AAA’s YouTube channel; the first show went up last night. This was the from July 8th; there are results here. It does seem like it may have been produced for TV, with the Argos match apparently cut for time. (The description for the video has it listing as airing anyway, and doesn’t read like as written the usual social media team.) ELITE tapes TV (?) today in Zumpango and Sunday in Monterrey, so maybe show airing on YouTube was a bit of promotion or maybe those will go up too.

I’m not really following whatever’s going on in Monterrey now with luchadors being blocked from working different promotions, but Fresero Jr. & Sexy Dulce are still working the Kaoz show Sunday. I think this is over those wrestlers working Nacion Lucha Libre, but I also think these promotions put more drama into turf battles than on their shows.

09/07 The Crash lineup

Super Astro father and son haven’t teamed up much (Super Astro Sr. doesn’t wrestle much.)

Fenix & Penta are on the 09/28 Martinez Entertainment show. AEW starts a few days later so that might be their final weekend on the US indies.

Puebla’s Estrellilita Magica, a CMLL luchadors from 2008 to 2011, talks about her life and struggles in lucha libre.

Hidalgo’s Pumara says she’s returning from an elbow fracture that sidelined her for three months.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.

Lineups

CMLL (MON) 08/12/2019 Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano & Retro vs Black Tiger & Policeman
2) Halcón Suriano Jr. & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs El Malayo & El Perverso
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Mystique vs Amapola, Dalys, La Comandante
4) Dulce Gardenia, Fuego, Stigma vs Olímpico, Pólvora, Universo 2000 Jr.
5) Cuatrero, Forastero, Místico, Sansón vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Soberano Jr., Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]
6) Carístico vs Rush

That atomicos is slightly different than the one they did in Arena Mexico, but it looks as promising.

CMLL (TUE) 08/13/2019 Arena México
1) Metatrón & Sonic vs Espanto Jr. & Grako
2) Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Sangre Azteca
3) Marcela vs Reyna Isis [lightning]
4) Audaz, Black Panther, Blue Panther Jr. vs Disturbio, Hechicero, Misterioso Jr.
5) Atlantis, Blue Panther, Kráneo vs Felino, Hijo del Villano III, Negro Casas
6) La Bestia Del Ring, Rush, Terrible vs Carístico, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr.

No feud here at all. maybe the fourth match is the good match? Maybe Hijo del Villano III is way too young to be in that match.

CMLL (TUE) 08/13/2019 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Sugar, Fantástico, Rielero vs Carlo Roggi, Mr. Apolo, Paymon
2) Drone, Principe Daniel, Súper Astro Jr. vs Demonio Maya, Tiger, Virus
3) Flyer, Guerrero Maya Jr., Volcano vs Okumura, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys
4) Dragón Lee, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Templario
5) Místico vs Cavernario

Mistico/Cavernario is usually pretty fun.

RIOT (FRI) 08/23/2019 Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León
1) Fresero Jr. & Mr. Iguana vs Kaientai & Lord Byron
2) Bryan Villa & Willy Banderas vs Kratoz & Prometo
3) Madness vs Iron Kid (Estado de México) [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
4) Erick Ortiz vs Fuego Del Sol [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
5) Dralion vs Tony Rodríguez (Jalisco) [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
6) Douki vs Belial [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
7) Aramis (Estado de México) vs Látigo [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]
8) Arez vs Demonio del Aire [RIOT CHAMP, quarterfinal]

RIOT (SAT) 08/24/2019 Arena Femenil, Monterrey, Nuevo León
1) Ayako Hamada vs Chik Tormenta
2) ? vs ????? [RIOT CHAMP, semifinal]
3) ? vs ????? [RIOT CHAMP, semifinal]
4) ? vs ?? [RIOT CHAMP, final]

I guess I never posted the full cards? First night is mostly the tournament matches, though we don’t know who faces who until they show up on night two. People who are eliminated will be in other matches on Saturday. Aramis/Latigo sounds like a possible excellent match and Douki & Belial stands out to me too. This should be a fun couple of shows.

the AAA New York & Los Angeles don’t look like they’re happening

(alternate title: “One Lucha Libre AAA ticket, never used.”)

Let’s go over what we know:

  • AAA sold few tickets to the New York & Los Angeles shows, so few that they turned off the ability to see a seat map so no fan could see a visual representation of unsold tickets in one space. (Though the ticket selection screen still shows no many more tickets have moved.)
    • one source told me the MSG show had sold much less than 1,000 tickets as of mid-July.
  • No matches have been announced for either show.
  • AAA had been posting canned Tweets regularly (and probably automatically) to hype these shows. Those have vanished.
    • AAA hasn’t tweeted the word “MSG” since June 26th.
    • AAA hasn’t used the #LUCHALIBREAAAenNY tag since June 18th
    • AAA hasn’t used the #LUCHALIBREAAAenLA tag since June 29th
    • AAA has continued to push their Mexico shows as normal; they’re not giving on social media ticket sales, just these shows.
  • Neither the Spanish nor the English announce crew mentioned the AAA US shows on TripleMania commentary when it would normally be a focal point
  • Fite.TV were announced as carrying these shows on PPV. They currently list no show airing on September 15th.
  • An AAA show was announced for September 16th outside Mexico City, the day after the scheduled show in New York. It’s possible for everyone to make it back from New York to be on this show, but it would be challenging.
  • I’ve been waving “AAA’s shows look concerning” red flags. AAA’s usually helpful in telling me when I’m way off base. No one’s gotten back to me to say I’m wrong.

None of this is definite proof the shows are canceled. The tickets for New York and Los Angeles remain on-sale as of late Thursday and there were still ads playing for it in the Forum last night. The evidence showing they’re not running theses is getting overwhelming though. We’re waiting for someone on the AAA show to be announced as working somewhere else on September 15 or for AAA to say something. That may still take a while. The social media mentions being dropped in June suggest someone knew to stop pushing it a while ago and yet nothing’s been said. You shouldn’t wait for them to finally change say it to make other plans.

I got a pretty decent ticket: Sec 117, Row 14, Seat 11 in New York City. I don’t think I’m using it. I’m definitely sure I’m not buying a plane ticket and a hotel room for a show that doesn’t seem to exist. More importantly, I don’t want you – a person with an interest enough in lucha libre to be reading this – to have bought tickets to these shows to spend more money on them that you’ll have trouble getting back. I have no doubt the ticket money will be coming back. AAA’s been trustworthy on that in the past. I can’t vouch for airlines or hotel companies or whatever else. I’m sure you can find other things to do in New York if you’ve got no alternative, but I’d like you to have the option to do something else with your time and money.

(LA people: these shows are being fronted by the same investors. Tickets didn’t move much better for LA. If the NY show goes down, they’re not going to run a standalone show in Los Angeles a month later.)

There’s a lot more to say about why these shows didn’t work. I’d like to wait until they get officially canceled to talk about it, but I suspect all the responses to this will be people diagnosing the problem. I think the overarching problem is AAA beliving in taking giant swings and nothing else, and they’re not getting slow pitch machines in the US. There are smaller steps they need to take first – and everyone’s going to list them now – but they seem unwilling to take that approach. It’s a shame because TripleMania seemed to prove there would be a market for a well promoted and positioned AAA show in the US. These plans were not it, but that doesn’t mean AAA should give up. Just don’t start with the level 99 boss of MSG, start a little bit smaller and smarter.

lucha TV preview for weekend of August 9th, 2019

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This is your last bit of AAA on Twitch for a while. They’re back on Twitch Saturday night with Puma King vs Laredo Kid and more Wagner/Demon.

Mistico vs Sanson should air on one of the two CMLL Sunday shows.

Nacion Lucha Libre will finish out their second taping.