2018 watch later catch up, part 15 of ∞

Aramis doesn’t care if you’re signing autographs

Negro Casas vs Virus
(Lucha Memes @ Coliseo Coacalco on 10/21, 7:18,
+LuchaTV, great)

Knowing now that Casas was working short matches because he was working with a knee injury, this match is all the more impressive for how much Virus and Casas get out of it without doing a lot of movement. There are grappiing battles which feel like an actual battle and not people just going thru normal sequences, there’s hard strikes exchange, and there’s Virus doing most of the running. It’s not a great match for IGFs if GIFs is what you’re looking for, but it does have the character of Casas taking his eyes off Virus for a second and paying for it. This felt like a borderline match, because it is quite short, but it is really enjoyable for how long it lasts.

Virus knot

Ricky Marvin vs Hechicero
(Lucha Memes @ Coliseo Coacalco on 10/21, 11:52+2:34, great,

What Happened: It’s about a five-minute break between the end of the match, the obviously planned screwy finish of the match, and the match getting restarted. Except, there is no referee since they already killed him off, so it is just weirdness for a while. A referee does show up just in time for the finish.

Like Virus/Casas, Marvin is not much for moving, and he and Hechicero have a more built on creatively struggling than big action spots. There’s some good submission work, there’s idea sat big spots that don’t quite come together, but it is a fun time. The epilogue to the match is delightful overshadows the match; they clearly wanted to get out of the match with the screwy finish of the match (which was as absurd as hyped) and it completely backfired with the crowd demanding one more fall and the wrestlers having no way to get out of doing it. They also had no way to get out of it. Hechicero was clearly thinking they’d go 20 seconds for a submission but there was no referee to call the submission. Everyone who does a pointless screwy finish on an indie show simply because they don’t feel like losing should also have to fall out of the ring into the Coacalco dirt like these two. I recommend this match for this level for of comeuppance but I’m being a weirdo here.

forearm battle

Eterno vs Aramis, hair vs mask
(Lucha Memes @ Coliseo Coacalco on 10/21, 17:46, excellent, +LuchaTV)

What Happened: This is a three falls count anywhere match, though there’s no real breaks between the falls.

Review: One of the best matches of the year. It started incredibly hot and somehow managed to keep up an amazing level of action. There were moments of Aramis doing crazy things, there was Eterno being a super base, there was the kind of battling on the dirt floor that only seems to happen from Coacalco, and it was a huge war by the end. They could’ve ended earlier, I thought they were going to end earlier, and it still would’ve been a super memorable match. They played off a real injury for the finish but still made you wait for it to happen, and they made what seemed to be a sure outcome really in doubt. The best big apuesta matches have been on the indies this year and it is great we’ve gotten to see them like this.

dirt or chair is a tough choice

Daga vs Hechicero in a half hour ironman match
(The Crash @ Auditorio de Tijuana on 10/06, 21:15 seen, good,
Arena Clandestina)

What Happened: This is a 30 minute iron man match. In indie lucha libre fashion, they start the clock before the match has started, making it more of a 28:22 iron man match. This is the most complete version I could find of it, and they still cut off a few minutes.

Review: I did not get into this version of the match. It felt like a slower pace, maybe because they were working to the clock. There was little benefit to using that stipulation, feeling most of the way like a normal three falls match that just had a clock playing. (This pace might have been better if they were doing the 30 minute time limit draw, not one with a lot of falls.) The Tijuana crowd really wanted to hate Daga but they didn’t play into a lot. They were trying to build up some reactions with how hard they were fighting evenly, but that’s not what the crowd was looking for. The action had positive moments but didn’t look as sharp as other matches with them. This wasn’t a bad match by any means but you’d be better off watching the other two.

this seems familiar

Willie Mack vs Austin TheoryZumbiFlip Gordon
(The Crash @ Auditorio de Tijuana on 10/06, 5:57, good,
Arena Clandestina)

Review: A standard multiman match in form, with everyone getting their own moment and no structure beyond that. People reacted for the spots and got into a couple of the wrestlers, but the match didn’t have much weight to it. Seemed pretty complete even for a normally edited match. Borderline ok/good match; I didn’t hate it and it’s a decent use of six minutes but nothing made an impression.

this came off well

El Bandido & Flamita vs Jay Briscoe & Mark Briscoe
(The Crash @ Auditorio de Tijuana on 10/06, good, 13:06,
La Poesia De La Lucha Libre)

What Happened: This version is clipped.

Review: If there’s one Briscoes in Mexico match you need to see this year, this isn’t it. (It’s the trios in Arena Mexico.) There’s some hints of a much better match here, enough that it’s still a good match. Neither team seems at their very best, and the way they drift from a normal hot tag setup to a crowd brawl and then back to normal disappointing. The dead crowd doesn’t help; this is very much a super indie special and those work better with a crowd that sees these matches as something special. There are people who care, but there’s a lot of empty red seats. Still, this gets better as it goes along, and it’s a better match than four way.

Flamita gets flipped

(sunday news update): weekend CMLL results, Chico Che shaved

photo by CMLL

I had another post earlier. I may follow up with another post tomorrow, answer some questions. The only update is I thought ROH was not going to say anything about Bandido until he made his onscreen debut, and now it sounds like they may announce it over the next few days. (That change wouldn’t be in response to anything I said.)

CMLL (SAT) 12/15/2018 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Acero & Aéreo b Mercurio & Pequeño Violencia
tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Halcón Suriano Jr., Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante b Apocalipsis, Inquisidor, Metálico
Apocalipsis replaced Principe Odin Jr. Tecnicos took 2/3 – Halcon Suriano remains undefeated (2-0)
3) Dalys, La Seductora, Metálica b La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit
Rudas took 2/3. Metalica used the ropes to pin Sugehit.
4) Templario b Flyer [lightning]
Templario beat Flyer by the same Destoryer Flyer seems to lose to every singles match.
5) Kráneo, Stuka Jr., Volcano b Felino, Máscara Año 2000, Vangellys
tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
tecnicos took 1/3.

Metalica/Sugehit would be a mildly interesting title match so it’s good they’re running it on the show I won’t be able to watch.

LLB , Memes , Noba (SAT) 12/15/2018 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV]
1) Black Kraken & Demasiado ?? Divino & Hijo De Brazo De Platino
not listed in +Lucha’s results
2) Baxter & Kid Silver b Chris Stone Jr. & Iron Kid and Freelance & Máscara Mágica Jr.
Chris Stone Jr. replaced Alas de Acero
3) Eterno b Audaz (CMLL)
4) Demus & Fantasma de la Ópera b Gato De Ecatepec & Manchitas
5) Ricky Marvin b Loco Max
6) Mr. Niebla b Zumbido
7) Chico Che b ImpulsoFly StarDragón BaneCanis LupusOptimus (Guerrero)EragónBlack DragónDemonio Infernal [cage, mask, hair]
Chico Che lost his hair to Impulso. During the match, Centvrion & Metaleon (wearing Mexa Wrestling shirts) helped Fly Star out, as part of the build to a Mexa Wrestling vs Memes/Boom show.

Didn’t hear much about the matches. Hope Eterno/Aduaz turns up. The crowd was not strong for a Naucalpan Memes show, but this wasn’t a particularly strong lineup. Again, they’re running a lot – keep scrolling for the next one.

CMLL (SUN) 12/16/2018 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Cholo & Espíritu Negro b Retro & Sangre Imperial
rudos took 1/3.
2) Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Sangre Azteca b Arkalis, Drone, Súper Astro Jr.
Arkalis replaced Starman, who appears to be in the Raziel zone of being listed despite actually being out injured. Rudos took 2/3.
3) Black Panther b Disturbio [lightning]
4) Audaz, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa b Sagrado, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr.
tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Blue Panther, Flyer, Valiente DQ Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Mephisto
straight falls. Mephisto unmasked Valiente in the second.
6) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Niebla Roja
NGD took 1/3

Black Panther did the usual post lightning match win. He wants an apuesta match with Disturbio. He’s probably not getting it.

Shocker, in Pachuca for a show, says he’s planning on having another surgery (not said, presumably for his jaw) in 2019. He will out four months and hopes to come back having lost some weight.

Lost in Lucha has a list of their top 5 favorite matches from every week of CMLL this year.

An interview with Cuautla’s Speon.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report.


LLB , Lucha Memes , PALL (TUE) 12/25/2018 Arena Naucalpan
1) Arquero, Black Puma, Black Shadow II, Cheff Benito, Fuerrero 2000, Mexica, Shadow Boy, Toto vs Akira San, Divino, Gato De Ecatepec, Hijo De Brazo De Platino, Manchas, Ninja de Fuego, Psique, Puercules
2) Carta Brava Jr. (IWL), Fantasma de la Ópera, Ovett vs Demasiado, Jessy Ventura, Zoy Raymunda
3) Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Lunatik Extreme vs Freelance, Máscara Magica Jr., Mike Segura and Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid and Alan Extreme, Centurion, Metaleón
4) Capo del Norte & Capo del Sur vs Black Panther (CMLL) & Blue Panther Jr.
5) Eterno Or Imposible © vs Stuka Jr. [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
6) Multifacetico (Puebla) & Prayer vs Guerrero Maya Jr. & Multifacetico 2.0
7) Gallito Tapatío & Microman vs Chamuel & Guapito

Some of us want to take it easy during December but Mexican wrestling ain’t having it. When you want to draw, you got to bring in the micros. Semimian has the former Mini Multifacetico teaming with his usual Puebla partner Prayer against the current Multifacetico and the previous Multifacetico. Eterno & Imposible have their title match on 12/21 – I had the match but didn’t mark it up as a title one. Fourth match plays off the Dinamitas/Panthers interactions in CMLL. Third is IWRG vs Boom vs Memes vs MexaWrestling.

IWRG results, Puebla, Bandido

IWRG (SUN) 12/16/2018 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV]
1) Lady Cat & Lili Dark b Dulce Luna & Princesa Saira
2) Ángel Estrella Jr., Atomic Star, Puma de Oro b Canibal, Dinámico, Matrix
Atomic Star replaced Voltar.
3) Chicanito, Fireman, Mexica b Black Puma, Guerrero 2000, Power Bull
4) Dinamic Black b Mosca
5) Chris Stone Jr., Iron Kid, Manchitas b Death Metal, Güero Palma, Taurino
Lucha Memes vs Gimnasio Zeuz
6) Fly Man, Neza Kid, Quetzal b Divino, Juan Diego, Ninja de Fuego
Lucha Libre Boom vs Zaetas del Ring. Juan Diego replaced Hijo Del Brazo De Platino
7) Lunatic Xtreme b Zumbi
IWRG vs Lucha Memes. Zumbi replaced Alas de Acero.
8) Black Dragón, Dragón Bane, Toto b Black Lancer, Máquina Infernal, Shaolin
Gym FILL vs Gym Villanos

Only angle that sticks out was Lunatic Xtreme beating upset Alas de Acero was not there.

Tonight is the final Arena Puebla streaming show of the season. The next two weeks will have the shows bumped to Tuesday because of the holidays. CMLL’s streaming team will be broadcasting the Arena Mexico shows next week, so there Puebla shows will not be recorded again until January 7th. (The local Puebla Azteca affiliate was doing their own recording of shows for a couple weeks, not sure if they’re still doing it.)

Many of the CMLL shows this month have felt pointless. This Arena Puebla will fit in that box, though for slightly different reasons. They do appear to be doing something, setting up a Caristico/Cavernario main event for one of the next shows, but it is a match we’ll probably never see. Tonight, they team with Hechicero, Rey Bucanero, Angel de Oro and Niebla Roja.

The Guerreros face Diamante Azul, Stuka, and Valiente. Stigma is in his usual tercera spot, teaming with the Panthers against Kawato, Okumura and Vangellys. The early matches include King Jaguar back to being a tecnico, Black Tiger as a rudo and Sonic wrestling in the opener for the third straight weeks, all for unclear reasons. The show will stream on CMLL’s channel at 9 pm.

Tickets are on sale for the 01/19 AAA TV Mexico City show. Tickets are running 185 to 770, which might be a little bit more than the Gimnasio Juan de la Barrera shows. The setup looks like in the 3000-4000 range.

It appears the 01/26 AAA TV show in Ciudad Madero has been announced locally. AAA hasn’t announced it on their own yet.

“Casandro el Exotico” was nominated for best documentary of the year at the Lumieres Awards.

El Manana has a bio of retired Reynosa lucahdor Alacran Negro.

some other left over takes about the Bandido/ROH deal

  • Flamita is going to be OK. I don’t know Ring of Honor’s thinking about him, but I do not know if Flamita would even be all that interest in Ring of Honor. He’s a guy who signed one deal in his career – with AAA/LU – and it turned miserable pretty quick. I’m guessing he’s not eager to commit to anyone beside Dragon Gate again. DG is always going to be his #1 – if all he had were Dragon Gate trips and working in Neza, I think he’d be fine with that.

    Still – and I wrote this last night too – Mexablood is still going to be around. Flamita & Bandido still plan to team. It won’t be the tour of the US indies they’ve done the last six months, but they’ll be around. Bandido doesn’t get to a ROH deal in 2019 without Flamita and I think Bandido is aware of it; he’s not going to leave him hanging. And while I don’t think Flamita and ROH are doing a contract, there’s nothing preventing from working together on a ROH show here or there if that’s worked for everyone. ROH brought in The Sandman and Hurricane Helms for a few dates in 2018, they can probably bring in Flamita too if it makes sense.

    (another way I’m thinking about it: I would not be the first high profile tag team to come in to Ring of Honor after the Young Bucks have left. That is an unwinnable situation. No one would expect Bandido to replace Cody or Hangman Page but the tag team is a different deal. I know not everyone on Twitter is a fan of the Bucks but most of the people going to ROH shows were very much so, and following them is going to be tough.)

  • if you are a person who is wondering who Bandido can wrestle in ROH, I think you owe it to yourself to watch this year’s Battle of Los Angeles. It is a really good time and there’s an obvious name in the end. And there’s also Bandido working with a variety of people beforehand. He is very good and they’re going to make it work.
  • I do not think Bandido rejecting WWE is going to be anything more than an outlier at the moment. You only have to read/watch the Dragon Bane interviews to understand how quickly almost all Mexican wrestlers would sign whatever deal WWE is offered by them. It still is an interesting test case. Raul Mendoza & Humberto Carrillo went to WWE essentially straight from Mexico, and are stuck in a long-term holding pattern (despite positive reviews on live events.) People who come to WWE from promotions like Ring of Honor often (though not always) jump to the front of the line. Maybe Bandido doesn’t go to WWE ever, but it’d be interesting to see if he’s treated differently because of his path if he does.
  • this is not my department but: Do not start penciling Bandido into NJPW’s Best of Super Juniors. I would love to see it but the three-way politics between NJPW, CMLL, and ROH over Bandido are going to be really weird and I can’t predict how it’s going to work out. Likewise, I wouldn’t count on seeing Bandido showing up in Arena Mexico either. Maybe everyone will be chill and it’ll work out the best for everyone involved, but this is uncharted waters and wrestling promotions.
  • this is also not my department but: things are pretty solid for PWG if ROH continues to let their wrestlers work there, and things are pretty great for PWG if anyone signed with Elite can also work PWG. Since the Young Bucks were the ones who made the ROH/PWG deal, maybe they’d carry it over to a new company? Or maybe everyone decides no more sharing with PWG and then I have no idea what becomes of PWG in 2019. I’m hoping for peace.
  • I could write a(nother) “top 10 indie luchadors who could be the next Bandido for an indie promotion (but won’t be brought in until PWG uses them first)” article, but I think I’d also have to write a “top 10 indie luchadors who might get booked in the US if only they had visas.” It is not like that part is simple – I happened to get an explanation this weekend of what it the process is like for a Mexican to get approved to travel to the US simply for fun, and it was roughly 100x more work than it was for me to go to Walgreens and get some passport photos taken – but it is a significant obstacle. And maybe one that doesn’t seem like it is always worth the hassle when you can just find a booking or two every weekend around Mexico City.
  • But of course, I have a list. You already have my list if you’re paying attention to the same matches. I’m just too scared to write names and forget someone.
  • things which seem to get Mexican luchadors booked in the English speaking US indies in 2018:
    • having a great match/matches for a Japanese promotion
    • getting written up in the WON for drawing people in Mexico in a major way
    • getting an endorsement from Konnan
    • having someone who already works English speaking indies specifically want to work with you
    • somehow making it into PWG, and getting over there
    • appearing on Lucha Underground when people were still paying attention to Lucha Underground
  • things which seem to not matter at all as far as Mexican luchadors being booked in the English speaking US indies in 2018:
    • having really good matches in AAA. Or CMLL. Or The Crash or your favorite indie. Even if it’s sitting on YouTube in free pristine quality.
  • Making it to US English speaking indies is not the end all be all. It is not validation, it is not necessary to have achieved to have a great career. It is simply an opportunity. It also does not thrill me to acknowledge the reality, but that’s still where things are right now.


CMLL (SAT) 12/22/2018 Arena Coliseo
1) Acero & Aéreo vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) Oro Jr., Príncipe Diamante, Retro vs Metálico, Nitro, Sangre Azteca
3) La Vaquerita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Dalys, La Seductora, Metálica
4) El Audaz vs Tiger [lightning]
5) Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr., Titán vs Pólvora, Templario, Vangellys
6) Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul vs Máscara Año 2000, Shocker, Terrible

Marcela/Metalica still on pace to happen. Audaz/Tiger might be good, probably will involve a Destroyer.