AAA on Twitch: 2018-11-10

dropkick pre-revenge

Recapped: 11/11/2018

All matches aired live from Coliseo La Concordia, Orizaba, Veracruz


Mini Psycho Clown, Samoano, Samoano 2 beat Halcón 78 Jr., Solaris, Tromba
(5:10, Samoano splash Solaris, ok)

Lanzelot, Parka Negra, Toxin beat Arcángel Divino, Dinastía, Dragón Bane
(10:52, Parka Negra top rope splash Dinastia, good)

Aerostar, Niño Hamburguesa, Súper Fly beat Black Danger, Taurus, Último Maldito
(8:48, Aerostar super Canadian Destroyer Último Maldito, ok)

Cíclope (DTU) & Miedo Extremo beat Joe Lider & Pagano
(12:16, Ciclope Flaming Wizard Joe Lider, ok)

Mamba, Máximo, Pimpinela Escarlata beat La Máscara, Rey Escorpión, Texano Jr.
(11:39, Máximo kiss La Mascara, ok)

Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Laredo Kid beat Carta Brava, Mocho Cota Jr., Tito Santana
(10:48, Laredo Fly on Carta Brava, good)

Dr. Wagner Jr., Drago, Psycho Clown beat Hijo del Fantasma, Jeff Jarrett, Kevin Kross
(14:04, Drago Dragon’s Lair Hijo del Fantasma, ok)

What happened:

Dinastia moonsault

Máximo challenged La Mascara to a hair match. La Mascara fouled him, the rudos beat up the exoticos, and the challenge didn’t seem to be officially accepted.

Parka Negra replaced Aramis, though whomever’s running the entrances was unaware of that change. Lanzelot appears to be a rudo now, attacking unmasking his brother after his match (though Parka Negra gets the pin because he’s the only pushed guy of this group.)

Black Danger & Último Maldito are back to those identities, though they’re acknowledged as being Espectro & Kahoz in the Copa Antonio Pena. Monster Clown tried to surprise attack Aerostar, and Aerostar at least kept it even until a foul. Super Fly saved him from more but also got fouled. Averno made a surprise run-in to also make the save. Monster Clown seemed to signal for a trios match, though it’s not clear what form that’d take.

Lanzelot Fly

The opener was really the dark match, starting as the announcers were previewing the show. Hades was seconding the rudas and was given a Samoano mask.

In a segment missing audio, and cut away from oddly, Niño Hamburguesa got a letter from a secret admirer. Or at least it was a secret from us. This aired right before the exotico match. Every time AAA does this angle, it’s an exotico as the admirer.

A message from Scarlett was played, but the sound also didn’t work for this bit. She stripped in silhouette in the background. She’s presumably coming back to AAA soon.

Earlier, Fantasma challenged (the not-present Fenix) to a title versus title match. Jose Manuel Guillen did bring up the Laredo Kid challenge, which hasn’t gone anywhere in a couple of months. Drago interrupted to challenge for a shot at Fantasma’s title. Fantasma told him to go wrestle the minis, shoved Drago down and turned around to pose. Drago fought Fantasma, Fantamsa ripped up Drago’s mask, Psycho Clown made the save, and Los Mercenarios ran in after him to beat up both técnicos.

Jarrett wrestled about half the main in a mask to hide his bald head. (It’s not that bald after a couple weeks.) Wagner eventually chased Jarrett to the stage, where Blue Demon appeared and attacked Wagner. Drago made the title challenge again after pinning Fantasma, only for the rudos to again beat up the técnicos.


Los Macizos looked like the professional team

The main event was the usual Wagner & Psycho showcase, with a lot of Jarrett screwing around and more Kross suplexes than usual. Fantasma, in theory trying to challenge for the biggest title in the promotion, came off as the fifth or sixth most important person. The entire finish was overshadowed by Demon beating up Wagner in the background. AAA’s not playing around about which feud is the important one here. Drago was alright in setting up the match with Fantasma and doing this in the main event at least is a half effort chance of making it work. It’s just surrounded by so much that didn’t work.

The semi-main was a big opportunity for the técnicos, and they made the most of it. Angelikal picked the right moment to pull out a double moonsault, Vikingo had lots of cool offense and Laredo Kid finished the match strong. The team lacked a common thread, but they individually looked very effective. Poder del Norte was more interesting when their offense was something other than chair shots. They at least can keep up with the técnicos when they’re going at a fast pace, and these técnicos were pushing that pace. Vikingo might have been better of taking a breath and letting some of his offense sink in at it times, but it did keep the match interesting with the técnicos were in charge. This would’ve been easily a grade higher if the rudos could vary their offense a little more.

The fifth match was the usual exotico showcase, which worked for well for crowd reactions and not so much in taking the rudos seriously. It was much the same match they do all the time, though it seemed to work better for this crowd. The Los Mercenarios are having a tough time being taken seriously while being in a feud with a comedy team, but maybe La Mascara taking his cousin’s hair will help.

Psycho Driver

The fourth match really wasn’t going to be for me, but it also seemed counterproductive. Pagano seemingly took 70% of the match, not the ideal thing when Ciclope & Miedo Extremo are debuting and seemingly supposed to be built up as threats. Pagano had a pretty shaky match, even by Pagano standards, but he got his desired crowd reaction and that seems to be the important thing to him. Ciclope & Miedo looked a lot more polished in the moments they got, though AAA’s camerawork didn’t help much on Flaming Wizard spot. If you missed this one, I’m sure you’ll get about the same in Juarez.

There’s definitely some potential with Taurus teaming with the two young rudos (whatever name we’re calling against them this week), but they didn’t really reach it here. Maldito’s sloppy powerbomb caused Aerostar to pick up a leg injury and seemed to derail the last half of the match. The rest was a lot of usual Niño Hamburguesa stuff. Super Fly being weirdly included seems to be going somewhere, though it’s strange to see the OGTs as técnicos.

The actual opener eventually turned into a good match, but it left a lot on the table. The first half of the match, thru the dives and the Lanzeloth/Dinastia sequence, was pretty sloppy. People were running past each other on spots, people were being thrown to the top rope but not making it there, things just didn’t look right. I’m not sure if they just calmed down, but it did go a lot smoother once they got back to their corners. Toxin and Dragon Bane had good moments late. Lanzleot being a rudo opposite of Dinastia would give both a direction, if it’s followed up on.

It was neat to see the dark match, getting a glimpse at people who mostly had been on TV once or twice over the last two years but hadn’t been seen lately. No one stood out positively like they needed to be on TV, but it was at least interesting to see people like Hades and Solaris still exist. Samoans were alright flattening the técnicos – who never got the comeback you’d expect in this sort of match – and Hades as their mastermind is an idea that might have some legs on a less crowded roster. Didn’t get as much a sense of the others, but it wasn’t really about them. Halcón 78 failing to get out of the ring properly must feel terrible.

UG/Sanson set up in GDL, more Bucanero/Roja build tonight

Sanson wins

CMLL (MON) 11/12/2018 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Lucha Central]
1) Arkalis, Asturiano, Rey Samuray b Gemelo Pantera I, Gemelo Pantera II, Perverso LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 12 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Lluvia, Marcela, Skadi b Dalys, La Comandante, Tiffany LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 12 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3. Marcela challenged Dalys to a title match.
3) Máscara Año 2000, Tyson La Bestia, Universo 2000 Jr. b Drone, Fuego, Pantera Blanca LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 12 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 1/3.
4) Atlantis, Felino, Stigma DQ Ephesto, Fuerza Guerrera, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 12 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3. Fuerza fouled Atlantis. Felino & Stigma replaced Negro Casas & Blue Panther.
5) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 12 DE NOVIEMBRE DE 2018 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls, setting up Sanson/UG for the heavyweight title next week.

This show sounds like it wasn’t much good. Negro Casas is said to be injured (though not said by CMLL) and Blue Panther continued his streak of never actually wrestling in Arena Puebla this year. Blue Panther has said he’s retiring soon after his third son debuts next year. Retirement is said often and happens rarely in lucha libre, but I’m inclined to believe it might be coming this time. I wonder a bit if that’s also the real Atlantis Jr. is debuting on Fantastica Mania, that no one’s quite sure if Atlantis will be around to do the family tag team in 2020 or later.

Today’s CMLL stream does not look promising. There’s one curious match, one feud which will be resolved elsewhere, and a lot of unpromising matches.

The main event follows up the Sunday Rey Bucanero/Niebla Roja feud. They are now expected to have a hair match on this upcoming Sunday. It’s not official yet, but it could be announced at any time today and they should make it clear by the end of this show. Niebla Roja teams with Atlantis & Angel de Oro, Rey Bucanero teams with Euforia & Shocker.

The curious match is Stukita – who was billed as graduating the minis division three weeks ago – having a lightning match against fellow mini Kaligua. Kaligua debuted back in July and hasn’t been back since until this match. He may eventually be getting Stukita’s bookings in the mini division, and there’s a chance this will be Stukita’s actual finale in the division. It’s rare for a guy with as few CMLL matches as Kaligua to get any sort of singles match, and this a chance to show what he can do that he might not get again for months.

The rest of the show are filler matches. Kraneo & Volcano team with Stuka again, versus Dark Magic, Ephesto and Hechicero. The Panthers are scheduled to team together, against Kawato, Okumura, and Misterioso. The second match two fall special includes Magnus, Oro Jr., Star Jr., Cancebrero, Espiritu Negro and Metalico. The no-hope opener is Apocalipsis & Inquisidor against Robin & Araklis. The show will stream at 7:30 pm.

Caristico, Diamante Azul and Valiente take on Los Ingobernables in Guadalajara.

Robin says he wants a mask match with Akuma and expects bigger opportunities.

Next Tuesday, a Nueva Generacion Dinamita comic book will be introduced next Tuesday. It appears to be fictional adventures in the style of comic books from years past, and (in theory) other CMLL wrestlers would be featured in future books. Gala Lutteroth, listed as the Director of Cultural Relations, is the CMLL connection.

Mascara 2000, Shocker, Blue Panther, La Comandante, La Seductora, Marcela, Pierrothio, Cancerbero, and Chamuel will appear Hipodromo de Las Americas (horse racing track) for a special race celebrating the CMLL 85th Anniversary. (The article doesn’t mention the date of the race; I think it’s this coming Saturday.)

Mexa Wrestling on 12/08 in Arena San Juan has

The main event is still to be announced.

+LuchaTV’s latest podcast is up.

Killer Kross explained he’s never going to lose in Mexico. Sounds right. He’s also teasing a woman (probably Scarlett) is coming soon. Also, Hijo del Fantasma says he’s not in the Lucha Capital tournament due to personal commitments.

An interview with San Luis Potosi wrestler/promoter Mr. Marca.


CMLL (SAT) 11/17/2018 Arena Coliseo
1) Príncipe Diamante & Robin vs Akuma & Espanto Jr.
2) Avispa Dorada, La Jarochita, La Vaquerita vs La Seductora, Metálica, Tiffany
3) Átomo, Gallito, Microman vs Chamuel, El Guapito, Perico Zakarías
4) Blue Panther, Drone, Volcano vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Vangellys
5) Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr., Titán vs Dark Magic, Hechicero, Terrible
6) Volador Jr. vs Rush

Volador & Rush are having a singles match with no build because build up matches is not something CMLL is terribly interested in. Vangellys is listed as returning, though they’ve listed him as returning at least once prior. It’d be a couple months early and they’ve pulled false advertising with Raziel lately.

2018 watch later catch up, part 12 of ∞

this kind of had to be the GIF on the top

Mistico vs Último Guerrero
(CMLL @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara on 07/17, 12:12, ok, 

A by the numbers Mistico/Ultimo Guerrero match, only notable for Último Guerrero saving the dropkick off the apron to the end of the match. It’s a good set up to an unexpected Místico comeback, which goes wrong when Místico slips on a springboard anyway. The floor of the standard UG match is decently high but the ceiling is not much higher, and this doesn’t break that pattern.

good trios wrestler Mistico

Dragón Lee II vs Último Ninja
(RevoLucha @ Gimnasio Nuevo León Unido on 07/22, 16:13,
great, doncelladehielo89 (part 1), doncelladehielo89 (part 2))

July seems long ago. This was Ninja’s farewell to Mexico match and one of Dragon Lee’s last matches before his reality show trip. In the great tradition of Mexican luchadors with impending NXT deals, Último Ninja gives everything in a high impact battle, feeling like more like a big title match than an all-star exhibition. You probably shouldn’t be taking hanging double stomps to the floor when you’re packing for Orlando, but Ninja took that and more in what might have been his best match under that name. I really liked his match with Rey Horuz in RIOT and this was easily better than that, pretty close to a MOTYC level. It’s a lot of Dragon Lee’s big match moments, but Último Ninja steps up to the challenge and it feels like a huge battle all the way to the end. They did a lot and it all comes off really well. Worth going out of your way to see.

seems like cheating
Ultimo Ninja handspring armdrag suplex?
double stomp to oblivion

Kunai vs Iron Kid
(Lucha Tlahuc @ Gimnasio Raton Macias on 07/22, 12:16, great, 
Adrian Martinez)

Just complete insanity. There’s a spot with a basketball hoop support and it’s not even the craziest spot in that minute. Iron Kid is entertaining whenever he shows up in IWRG or the super indies. I had no idea who Kunai was before this match. I really wanted to know more about Kunai (or maybe it’s Kunay) after this match, and still don’t know much. If he’s got a Facebook, I can’t find it and the few promotions he’s working for don’t mention it. Kunai is athletically gifted, pulling off inside springboard moves with ease. It’s outweighed by his willingness to do outrageous stuff that’s not going to help him last too long but sure made him stand out here. I’m not sure if Kunai was going far above and beyond because this was a match with a much more visible (though hardly older) opponent, or if he’s always this way, but it was something to watch. Kunai wasn’t just taking silly bumps, he was also hitting all the spots he wanted to hit and looking like the equal of a far more hyped luchador. I’d love to see more of him.

Destello Azul on a basketball court
dropkick onto a basketball court

The King (Rey Fenix) vs Laredo Kid
(MDA @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey on 07/29, 16:53, excellent, 

This match is probably why AAA set up a Fenix/Laredo Kid match during their Yucatan weekend of shows. I guess it’s all the same that they’ve since forgotten it and moved on to other matches which won’t actually happen either since it’s unlikely it’ll be as smooth as this one. Fenix and Laredo Kid are similar wrestlers, separate more by years than style, with Laredo’s major deficiency being coming along a half-decade too soon to be cast in a cult favorite US wrestling show. Outside of Lucha Underground, Fenix has become the US guy who just has great matches every time they put him into a situation to have one, and also someone who gets little character attention seemingly because the people in charge see having good matches as his ceiling. In Mexico, Fenix is the top guy and Laredo Kid is Fenix, the likable guy who gets no character attention because the people in charge see him just as a good who can have really good matches. The similarities in style and effort are shown throughout the match, though Fenix always seems to be giving a little bit more than Laredo. It comes up pretty early when Laredo Kid does a tope to thru first row and Fenix does a tope con giro thru the first row. Laredo Kid has a few beautiful spots, and Fenix looks spectacular with his jumping cutters. (Fenix maybe does too maybe of those cutters, here and in general, but at least he’s overdoing a move that’s not overdone in Mexico.) This match is all about the spectacular spots, but it still feels like they’re competing to win – they’re competing in a spectacular fashion.

The shorter version is I thought this way superb. I don’t think it’ll make my top ten because it’s a match with no context – if this really was a built-up AAA title match with the same hot crowd, it may have a bigger place in my memory – but that doesn’t seem something you can put on the wrestlers. Neither can you put on them the weird mid-match break for some crowd hype. I think I’m really more partial to both Laredo Kid & Fenix than most, but I still think you should definitely watch this even if you’re not.

You better move when Fenix starts running
Laredo’s German suplex is inescapable
all the kicks

Demus vs Príncipe Legendario
(MDA @ Arena Coliseo Monterrey on 07/29, 7:45, ok,

A CMLL lightning match of an indie match, both in length and approximate effort. I had to rewatch it because I felt like I must’ve met something interesting happen. It remained alright but didn’t stick out beyond the weirdness of Principe Legendario playing rudo against Demus, an odd choice. There are moments where it seems like it’s going to turn into a brawl, and that would’ve been more interesting than how it ended up with more normal action.

guillotine double knee smash

Mephisto © vs Titán for the CMLL World Welterweight Championship
(CMLL @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara on 08/07, 17:47, great, 

This match gets more (TV) time than most Guadalajara title matches and makes the most of it. Titan is better at getting sympathy than most CMLL luchadors. It sticks out more in CMLL style matches, and this is definitely a Mephisto CMLL title match. Titan’s willing to go longer without getting in any offense, and to be on the wrong side of the match for an extended period. The third fall doesn’t go “my move, your move” instead turning into Mephisto just hitting Titan with his usual finishing moves (and repeatedly) and Titan just barely surviving. Even when he mounts a comeback, it may not end well. The apron powerbomb here definitely didn’t end well, and that sort of stuff made the match feel a bit more unpredictable than usual CMLL title match. It still is recognizable as a CMLL title match and might be worth passing if you’re just tired of those, but it was better than average as far as those are concerned.

things go badly for Titan