Lucha Underground 4×17: “The Moth and The Butterfly”

sibling issues


Paul London, el Bunny, the White Rabbit [O] b Joey Ryan [X], Ivelisse, Xo Lishus (6:21, Down The Rabbit Hole mandible claw, ok)

Son of Havoc beat Killshot (6:36, Havoc blocked casita, good)

Marty the Moth Martines beat Mariposa to keep the Lucha Underground Championship in a no DQ match (9:11, package piledriver, great)

Status Check

Champion: Marty the Moth (1 defense)
Gift of the Gods: Vacant.
Trios Champions: Reptile Tribe (Kobra Moon, Daga, Jeremiah Snake) (2 defenses)
Died This Season (15): Jeremiah Crane (casket), Fenix (casket/lifeforce absorbed), Mr. Pec-tacular (sacrificed), Cortez Castro (sacrificed), Máscarita Sagrada (murdered by Rabbits), Vinnie Massaro (sacrificed), Pizza Guy (sacrificed), Vibora (beheaded), Mala Suerte (sacrificed) , Saltador (sacrificed), Benji the Agent (murdered by Ricky), Angelico (implied to have been murdered by Ricky), Catrina (fell off a roof), Joey Wrestling (sacrificed), Jack Evans (sacrificed)
Resurrected (2): Jeremiah Crane/Snake, Fenix


two for one

Last week was the first mention of Ultima Lucha 4. This was the week where it became center of the Lucha Underground universe. Marty the Moth won the Lucha Underground championship two weeks ago. This was the week where they made him into a threat.

New champion Marty has a new look. The Azteca Pride shirt is gone, with a moth cape replacing him. Reklusa – named as such here – seconded him during a promo and spent his match crawling along the apron. Marty, when he wasn’t drowned out by Cero Miedo chants, declared he was getting revenge on all who had wronged him. This included the first, and likely only, mention of Sexy Star this season: Marty claimed Reklusa had been stalking Sexy Star for a year (all those spiders) and beat Star up outside her house so bad that only Sexy Star’s mask remained. Marty said he was thankful for Mariposa strongly encouraging him to get back on his feet after getting his arm broken by Pentagon Dark and wanted to reward his “beautiful sister” by giving her a title shot. This actually seemed more like Marty getting revenge what Mariposa has done to him in the past, like helping get his hair cut last season. (Marty getting revenge on Melissa was teased but moved on from quickly.) It was the exact crazy & brutal match you’d expect from these characters. Mariposa made a chair assisted rally, but Reklusa broke up a Butterfly Effect attempt (match was made No DQ) and Marty made the 0M sign before winning with a package piledriver. As a further message to the next person he wanted revenge on, Pentagon Dark, Marty challenged him to a Cero Miedo match and broke his sister’s arm in Pentagon fashion. Pentagon ran Marty off and accepted the stipulation.

Of special note – enough that there was an obvious commentary redub here – Matt Striker brought up that Vampiro has not wrestled since the last Cero Miedo match and Vampiro implied he was still hurting from that match. That was a fairly obvious indicator Vamp’s going to be more than a guy sitting at a desk sometime soon.

It wasn’t the only one very obvious indicator of a reactivated character. The introductions to the Killshot versus Son of Havoc included the first mentions of Dante Fox since the opening episode. The context here was “maybe Dante Fox was right and Killshot was a non-team-player jerk all along” but the message seemed to be “expect to see Dante Fox again.” Havoc took a back and forth match by blocking a casita into a cradle of his own, though that in no way stopped Killshot from continuing to fight. Killshot used his own dog tags – the ones he cared so deeply about to fight Marty a season ago – as objects to load up his punches to Havoc after the match. Killshot unmasked Havoc, which gave Antonio Cueto an idea: a mask versus mask between the two at Ultima Lucha. The big concept is the masks represent who these men have become, but they also obscure who these men were – and so whoever’s exposed may have a lot of angry people from their past coming after them. (Then again, being masked sure didn’t stop Killshot from being tracked down by Dante. Guess not everyone is Dante Fox.)

The other two segments set up things for the future, though less clear endpoints. The Rabbit Tribe 2.0 debuted with a win over Joey Ryan and company. As set up last week, Ryan was the target of The White Rabbit. The White Rabbit did not even tag in until they were left one on one, brushed off Ryan’s superkicks, tossed him with a suplex, put on a white glove, and easily finished Ryan with a mandible claw (Down the Rabbit Hole.) The white glove was left bloody and Ryan convoluted on the mat.

Melissa caught up with Aerostar; Drago being the one with who’s ankle was broken last week has allowed Aerostar to be around to explain this plot. Aerostar believes Fenix’s life essence was mixed with Catrina’s dark aura, and Fenix still has that bit Catrina stuck in him. Melissa asked if there was a solution. Aerostar did not believe so, saying he’d been in the end and saw nothing. Melissa asked him which end and Aerostar clarified “the end of everything.” A character talking about the end of everything with this series always feels like it could have some extra meaning.

Ultima Lucha 4

a preview of things to come?

(officially a two-week show, encompassing episodes 21 and 22)

  • Mil Muertes vs the Mack in a Death Match
  • Dragon Azteca Jr. vs Fenix, two out of three falls
  • Pentagon Dark vs Marty the Moth Martinez (c) for the Lucha Underground Championship in a Cero Miedo match
  • Killshot vs Son of Havoc, mask vs mask


they moved that table a bunch with her head (or shoulder)

This was a much-improved episode over recent weeks. Everything had a purpose and accomplished it well. If only it came about ten episodes sooner.

The opening trios was the best example of that. It was a strong introduction to the new Rabbit Tribe, with white-face-painted Paul London changing his style, El Bunny looking impressive and The White Tribe being treated like a monster on the finish. The match itself was more coherent than the last week’s one; there was a story they were trying to tell and they did well with it. The problem is, they did an introduction with six episodes left. Maybe we’ll get one or two more Rabbit Tribe matches – though it wasn’t even clear against who – and this feels like something that won’t have the space to go anywhere until next season. If/when there is a next season.

Killshot/Son Of Havoc was an improvement over Killshot/Big Bad Steve. Killshot’s new methodical targeted style plays better off a guy who speeds it up when he has the chance. It felt like the first match of a feud, where a fluke roll-up reversal finishes but doesn’t really end it. The mask match is coming at the right time from the storytelling aspect – they’ve been feuding from episode 1! – but it feels like they could do more in the ring if they had the time. Maybe we’ll also get one more match from them.

Mariposa/Marty was the right match at the right time. It didn’t seem like it’d be a great idea from the start, because Mariposa hasn’t been a sympathetic character and isn’t so much smaller than Marty that she automatically seems like one in this situation. Getting blood early helped a lot to give a rooting interest, and Marty looking so dominant in a brutal match worked well too. Mariposa burying Marty under an ending streaming of chairs was a great moment. They got the emotion along with the wrestling in this match and it made a big difference. Marty probably should be winning cleanly over someone who almost never wins on this show, but I guess they needed to establish a reason for Reklusa to exist. Marty using the package piledriver and breaking Mariposa’s arm put the attention back on him, and that helped in the end. Marty’s history of big Lucha Underground matches says Cero Miedo is probably going to a spectacle, and they’ve done the right thing to make people care about it by making Pentagon the challenger.

CMLL Martes: 2018-09-18 


Recapped: 10/01/2018


Hijo del Signo & Metálico beat Arkalis & Sonic
(13:28 [6:02, 2:40, 4:46], 2/3, n/r,

Amapola, Reyna Isis, Tiffany beat La Jarochita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit
(12:07 [5:40, 2:48, 3:39], 2/3, n/r, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel, Gallito, Microman beat Chamuel, Mije, Perico Zakarías
(13:38 [6:32, 0:53, 6:13], 2/3, good,

Rey Cometa beat Drone in a lightning match
(8:04, Canadian Destroyer, ok,

Kráneo, Valiente, Volcano beat Felino, Hechicero, Pólvora
(15:49 [5:44, 3:23, 6:42], 2/3, n/r,

Gran Guerrero, Rey Bucanero, Shocker beat Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Niebla Roja  
(15:13 [6:39, 3:30, 5:04], 1/3, ok, via 

What happened: 

Gran Guerrero fouled Caristico to set up the win in the main event.


spinny bird action

The main event was on par with usual Tuesday main events. Shocker & Rey Bucanero have advanced to the matching gear stage of their relationship and seemed to be working harder than usual. Gran Guerrero and Carístico made it very clear they’re feuding with really doing anything complex. That does give me some worry about the ceiling for the title match, but they weren’t asked to do much here The Chaves brothers are very prepared for a tag team title shot that never seems to be coming.

The lighting match was the usual multiple dive formulaic performance, not a standout for either guy. Cometa did a little more than his usual spots. Drone did some of his but seemed not to be into the match. Neither man had much creativity and they ended it was a Destroyer, so there’s not a lot to be gained from watching this.

The micro match felt like the b-version of the match. They’re still novel, it works enough, but it meant Microman had a relatively easy night while his two partners seemed to be in a lot more. Angel generally did better, though I’m not sure what the deal was with the spinning press slam spot – putting Mije down and having him just dizzily fall looked odd. Chamuel continues to look good at setting people up, Zacarias is still best on personality.


Caristico & NGD keep their titles, LU, “Ni tu, ni yo”


CMLL (TUE) 10/02/2018 Arena México [CMLL, LuchaCentralOvacionesThe Gladiatores]
1) Mercurio & Pequeño Violencia b Acero & Aéreo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rudos took 2/3
2) Cancerbero, Nitro, Sangre Azteca b Pegasso, Príncipe Diamante, Súper Astro Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls
3) Felino, Misterioso Jr., Tiger b Black Panther, Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
rudos took 2/3.
4) Ángel de Oro, Audaz, Niebla Roja b Dragón Rojo Jr., Luciferno, Pólvora LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Mistico, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. b Ephesto, Mephisto, Negro Casas LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES DE ARENA MEXICO 2 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3
Caristico took falls 1/3 to make his 1st defense

The main event got strong reviews. Caristico talked about his win.

Perhaps the biggest news is CMLL airing new Roshfrans commercials. Or maybe not.

CMLL (TUE) 10/02/2018 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) El Divino, Luminoso, Mr. Samurai b Demonio Maya, Maléfico, Thunder Boy
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Angelito, Micro, Shockercito b Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico, Relámpago Azul
tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Kráneo, Michael Elgin, Valiente b Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
tecnicos took 1/3
4) Esfinge, Soberano Jr., Tritón b Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón © [MEX TRIOS]
NGD took 1/3 for it’s 6th defense.
5) Atlantis b Último Guerrero
tecnicos took 1/3, Atlantis using the Atlantida in the third.

There’s a photo of the aftermath of the Atlantida, so it may actually have happen.

FILLM announced they’ll have Ultimo Guerrero vs Corsario Negro Jr. in a hair match in Arena San Juan on 10/03.

CMLL officially confirmed the Gran Prix this Friday will be on iPPV via As with the Aniversario show, it’ll be $10 USD or 100 Mexican Pesos, which are two very different numbers. It will also be $10 via ROH’s HonorClub. If you subscribed to HonorClub to watch the Aniversario show, you should still be under your month’s subscription for this show.

Sanson & Cuatrero talk about being in the Gran Prix.

Lucha Underground 4×17 is “the Moth and the Butterfly”

Killshot and Son of Havoc haven’t appeared in four weeks. Their break up was six episodes ago. Lucha Underground’s budget being slashed has hurt them in developing characters obviously, but it’s also hurt them in keeping feuds hot. With more money, or maybe more time, maybe there’s a 30-second vignette with Killshot or Havoc reminding us of their feud, and making sure it just doesn’t go unmentioned for a month. That seems to be about as common a problem as characters showing up and never being mentioned again this season (are we going to see Dezmond X or Sammy Guevera again?)

This article on upcoming film with AAA involvement Ni tu, ni yo explains the plot: “El Conejo” helped his brother “Halcon Negro” become a wrestler, Halcon Negro is very successful while Conejo fades away due to addiction, Conejo resurfaces to cost Halcon Negro a match by a mistake, and then they’re forced to team up. It’s a comedy, though I guess it could read different ways. The stars are also the writers of the movie, and they say they wanted to make a lucha libre movie because there hasn’t been once since Nacho Libre and that was American. The movie comes out next week, October 12th.

Psycho Clown is also interviewed about the movie; he was only on set for one day and he played a rudo. He liked doing it.

That will not be the only lucha libre movie this month. An El Santo/El Hijo del Santo documentary “El Hombre Detrás de la Máscara”, is scheduled to have a limited release starting on October 18th. There’s a trailer here.

AAW announced Rey Fenix vs Sammy Guevera and LA Park vs MJF for their 10/26 show.

Masada, the member of the Rebelion Rojo you’ve long forgotten, is listed on the 10/27 EMW show. Which means he’s probably not working for the Crash any longer.

Criterio Hidalgo has an interview with local luchador King Airon. He is 15. He started training at 7 and debuted at 11


CMLL (MON) 10/08/2018 Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano, Lestat, Rey Samuray vs Guerrero Espacial, Joker, Rey Apocalipsis
2) La Vaquerita, Lluvia, Marcela vs Dalys, La Comandante, Tiffany
3) Diamante Azul, Kráneo, Volcano vs Felino, Hechicero, Templario
4) Flip Gordon, Michael Elgin, Mistico vs Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero, Shocker
5) Volador Jr. © vs Cavernario [NWA WELTER]
first defense

This main should be better than the nothing match they did before the Aniversario show, but it also is a Monday.

Wish they moved Templario up so we could see how good he could make Flip look. There’s a lot of heavyweights on this show.

CMLL Puebla: 2018-09-17 


Recapped: 09/25/2018


Espíritu Maligno & Fuerza Chicana beat Black Tiger & El Asturiano  
(12:43 [5:38, 3:59, 3:06], 2/3, n/r, 

Oro Jr., Súper Astro Jr., Tigre Rojo Jr. beat El Malayo, King Jaguar, King Rocker Jr.
(14:18 [5:43, 4:19, 4:16], 1/3, ok, 

Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Stigma beat Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger
(14:43 [7:15, 1:40, 5:48], 2/3, below average, 

Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto beat Flyer, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr.  
(11:38 [4:49, 2:15, 4:34], 1/3, ok, 

Cavernario, La Bestia Del Ring, Rush beat Hijo de LA Park, LA Park, Último Guerrero 
(28:21 [5:02, 10:15, 13:04], 2/3, good, 

What Happened:

Rush snuck in a foul on LA Park for the win, setting up a rematch the following week.


some professional work

I couldn’t believe how long the main event was when I went back to time it, and I’m still not sure I did the math right. It didn’t feel like a near half hour match, though it did feel a lot like the longer running indie matches LA Park tends to rather than a normal CMLL tag. It was more of a brawl than anything usual in Arena Puebla, to the point that it looked strange for Ultimo Guerrero to be in a corner waiting for a tag in the third. The effort was so much more than anything else on this card, with LA Park & Rush doing a lot for a small building at the other guys contributing. The best subplot was Hijo de LA Park trying to get Bestia to take moves and bumps he normally wouldn’t take, to mixed results. Bestia did take a German suplex and a dropkick to the floor seriously after taking it easy. Ultimo Guerrero got overshadowed, and that never happens. The downside of it being so long is it was a lot of work for the expected LA Park/Rush screwy finish at the end, but they did give the people tuning in for LA Park what they wanted. This was a borderline great match.

The middle matches don’t have much value. The semi-main was very generic outside of the cool dive spot at the end. The tercera was a worse match than usual with those guys, where Sagrado attempting to give himself a torito because Stigma was no help just about right. The takeaway I got from the match is Guerrero Maya is putting on weight, not a great takeaway.

The second match was a standard Puebla match, so promise but not a lot of direction. Tiger Rojo and Audaz using the same armbar is not good news for Tigre Rojo, but he’s also probably wrestling in Puebla forever so what does it matter. King Rocker was as good if not better than Oro Jr. doing the mirror spots in the second fall. King Rocker might be better served as a tecnico. Oro seems like someone who would be happy with a change of look, but that seems unlikely to happen. In the meantime, Oro seems like he’s just taking other people’s offense and doing it in less impactful ways.