2017 watch later catch up, part 9 of ∞

Aramis does not like clowns

Penta 0M & Rey Fénix vs Jack Evans & Rey Horus and Flamita & Laredo Kid [PWG TAG]
(Torta Super Astro & Arena Azteca Budokan on 06/16, 12:51, great, via
hector godfrey version, but Videoblog Tortas Súper Astro is the official version)

An all action match with six guys who are trying to have a great match and going full speed all the time. They’re going strong from the beginning, the dives are really cool, and it seems like an unending sequence of big moves and break ups. Fenix looked the best of anyone if I had to pick a person, but most this was six guys working in sync with each other in the usual style. The only complains are the usual three way complaints, but this is still something worth going out of your way to watch.

Fenix coming at you
this double stomp makes me wish I used one of the countless videos which were a little closer
TJDDT and a nice ‘rana

Carístico & LA Park vs Rush & Último Guerrero
(Lucha Memes/MDA @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara on 06/18, good, 26:04, via
Cada vez Hay mas lucha)

I swear the cellphone video at that link had sound previously. Maybe it got blocked by YouTube for a music violation and that’s why it’s blocked now. It’s was more interesting with crowd reactions, watching a silent recording for 30 minutes with the video rotated the wrong way is not a great option 2017 and something I struggled to watch. As presented, it’s a good match, but it’s could also be clearly a great one if we got to see it in full. LA Park does half his bits he has done in every indie match for the last decade and a half, and half crazy broom aided brawling with Rush. Carístico & UG check out for a long stretch of time, then comes back to do their usual spots. I really made it thru just because I wanted broom related GIFs but that’s probably not a good reason for everyone. It did also remind me that the follow up MDA show in August never turned up in any form even though +Lucha was posting results, and that’s very strange.

Caristico for HOF
the Postal Service’s 2003 song “Such Great Heights” was actually about how far this brush goes in the air
LA Park runs people over when he does a spear and it is great

Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Atomic Star, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Power Bull vs Aeroboy (Estado De México), Alex Pain, Centella Salazar, Danny Barrio, Homonimo, Payachucho, Stone Magic, Último Conde [Copa Higher Power]
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan on 06/21, 29:20, good, via

What Happened:

  • Último Conde in black with silver. He has his name on the back of his belt.

  • Payachucho is the tiny wrestler in the clown mask. He’s wearing a black shirt with a red superman symbol, and his pants are light blue among many colors.

  • Centella Salazar is in blue pants with a white lightning bolt on one side, and his name on the other side.

  • Homomino is in a blue shirt with blue shorts. He’s wearing a tie for some reason.

  • Alex Pain has half white facepaint, and wears a block shit, black shorts with red lettering, and black pants underneath.

  • Stone Magic is in a black shirt and black shorts. He is injured multiple times during the match.

  • Danny Barrio is in all black, with a yellow angry face on his shirt. His mask includes a yellow hat with ear flaps and a reddish black face.

  • Aeroboy, who is not the famous Aeroboy, is in a blue shirt and black pants with a silver mask.

This FILL match had one of the better mid-match riots for these matches, looking the usual scrum where everyone doesn’t really want to throw a punch and then getting out a little of control when Bombero starts choking out people. The match wasn’t quite as good, with a few guys not so great guys mixed in with some interesting people. Último Conde wasn’t the worst, but it wasn’t obvious why he was the guy who lasted to the final for the visitors. The most fun guys were Payachucho (who’s so small that Aramis got to base and play rudo) and the similarly creatively masked Danny Barrio. Alex Pain came off as fast and skilled, he’s the one who seemed like he could work best in a normal environment. Fake Aeroboy needs another name, is not much good. Aramis getting the run was nice, Stone Magic getting spiked on his head on a package piledriver is not as nice.

Danny Barrio is very skinny but fun
Payachucho, flying clown

Villano III Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr. vs Negro Navarro, Texano Jr., Trauma II
(IWRG @ Arena Naucalpan on 07/02, 15:54, ok, via

What Happened: This is Villano Jr.’s (ex-Kortiz) debut under that name, and he’s presented with that match before the match. Match proper starts at 4:33.

Review: If you liked the Villano IV brawls from the past few years in AAA, this is a lot like that. The idea here is the non-Villano team is the effective Misioneros de la Muerte, which means this is a lot more Navarro brawling than you may expect. The Villano/Navarro stuff doesn’t look as start, and Villano III Jr. fits in here more as guy getting destroyed then someone who should be equally throwing down with these guys. Finish is strange for a match seemingly trying to sell us on the idea of Villano V Jr. – this feels like match two in a bigger feud that’s not actually happening.

old man punch out

Diosa Quetzal vs Black Moon , hair vs mask
(Promociones Ice Killer @ Central Plaza, Ecatepec on 07/06, ok? great? A third of a popcorn bag?, 10:54 seen, via

It seemed only fair penance to actually watch a Diosa Quetzal match if I’m going to eventually be disowned by everyone in Mexico for defending her on the internet. This is quickly recognizable as a kind of a joke match for the TV show – Black Moon is wearing the TV show logo, it’s a chain match for no reason, La Hielera is interfering frequently. (The video is also clipped, more so early than late.) The crowd is way into the match, but it’s not for the action – it’s never really any good – but because they’re into Quetzal already.

This is actually gawking at, starting at the 4:35 mark. Hielera and lack Moon are checking Diosa on the ropes (for the camera phones) and someone runs in to make the save. Black Moon takes a bump and the ring fills up with people trying to clear it up. What I think happened it they had planned a spot where another luchador would get involved to even the numbers – there’s a fellow with pink hair who stays into to do spots with Black Moon – so Moon reacts like that what happened, but everyone else realizes it’s a legit fan making a shoot run in. So that’s crazy. Late, the pink hair guy tries running in again, security gets on him, and Quetzal stops the match to explain to them that he’s part of the match. It’s the good kind of fiasco, but maybe because I’m watching it thru TV screen glass and not in person.

Quetzal has a double underhook suplex that’s good, and then a senton that’s not good at all. At one point, there’s multiple people beating up Black Moon and it’s not clear why, except it’s clear this is the most inexplicable match of the year. You should not watch this if you’re looking for a good wrestling match by conventional standards but it is quite the event.

this GIF is probably why your employer’s web filter is marking this site as NSFW now, sorry
look, a move
this is the actual finish

Rayo Star & Titán (CMLL) vs Drako & Hechicero
(KDR @ Arena San Juan Pantitlan on 07/08, 11:21 clipped, via

Review: This match is clipped and the sound disappears for long stretches, but it’s still worth your time. Drako, without his usual partner Corsario Negro Jr., really shines well as a bigger heavy bully to Titan & Rayo Star. Drako’s a big man only by lucha indie standards, but he wrestles physical threat these guys have to battle to overcome. There are definitely things to improve on – the flying can go if the landings are going to be so rough – but I’d love to see them in those third and fourth matches more than Rey Bucanero and Vangellys. Hechicero fades into the background, making Rayo Star look a lot smoother than he usual appears.

nice save by Hechiero, terrible aspect ratio by me


Dragon Rana is caught fine

Volador beats Adonis, Puebla results, upcoming CMLL schedule, Garza/Elite

usual strong work from Pierroth

CMLL (MON) 12/18/2017 Arena Puebla [Cinco Radio, CMLL, Harvest_Select_MX (Instagram), Wrestling With Gifs]
1) Ares, Fuerza Chicana, Rey Apocalipsis b Arkalis, Black Tiger, París LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Espanto Jr., Espíritu Maligno, Hijo del Signo b Asturiano, Gemelo Pantera I, Gemelo Pantera II LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
straight falls. Espiritu pulled Asturiano’s mask off post match. Asturiano challenged Espiritu to a mask vs hair match. Espiritu refused.
3) Puma, Sagrado, Tiger b Pantera Blanca Jr., Stigma, Stuka Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis b Johnny Idol, Terrible, Valiente [Relevos IncreíblesLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. b Gran Guerrero, Mephisto, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE LUNES 18 DE DICIEMBRE ARENA PUEBLA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos didn’t get along but still won.

CMLL put this show up yesterday evening. It appears the reason it did not stream is they were having some recording or streaming issues: the video jumps ahead a couple seconds at random moments. I’ve had this happen to me, it’s some device along the way not being able to keep up with the video stream and dropping moments of video when they get behind. It’s not totally unwatchable, but it is distracting and makes it nothing you need to go back to watch. (I’ll probably still do some sort of recap.)

It’s totally understandable CMLL didn’t want to stream it, but it would’ve been nice if they simply tweeted “we have tech problems, see you tomorrow.”

CMLL (TUE) 12/19/2017 Arena México [CMLL, CultIconESTOMilenioWrestling With Gifs]
1) Artillero & El Coyote b Bengala & Sonic LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Sonic suffered a leg injury for the second straight week.
2) Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Pierrothito b Fantasy, Shockercito, Último Dragóncito LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Shockercito replaced Electrico on Saturday.
3) Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis b Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Blue Panther, Mistico, Valiente b Johnny Idol, Mr. Niebla, Okumura LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Replaces a CMLL Trios title match (w/Adonis & Volador)
added on Saturday
6) Pierroth, Rush, Terrible b Cavernario, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero [Relevos IncreíblesLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 19 DE DICIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rush beat UG with outside help from Pierroth

I haven’t seen anything of this yet, but Volador & Sam Adonis sounds like it went pretty well. Attendance was up from a normal Tuesday show, but not dramatically so – it looks like something that would still be a disappointing Friday show. There was a lot done to honor rescue workers and the military during the show, which got them a lot of extra press and saw some political candidates attend to attach themselves to it.

I kept there would be a DQ or some complicated finish in Adonis/Volador, but they just went with the simple bit of the heroic Mexican cleanly defeating the evil foreigner in front of the military.

Rey Fenix was in the crowd for the show. Maybe he wanted to see the dogs.

CMLL put out a press release explaining their holiday schedule. It’s different from what they announced at their press conference a few weeks ago and I’m not sure why. At least we know in advance. You can read the full chart here, but let’s narrow it down to streaming shows for simplicity (though CMLL hasn’t been totally clear about this either.) All times are Central.

12/22 Friday: normal 8:30pm start for Volador/Caristico  [Claro]
12/25 Monday: early 5pm start for the 10 man cage match [YouTube, could be delayed or paid]
12/26 Tuesday: normal 7:30pm [YouTube]
12/29 Friday: normal 8:30pm start [YouTube]
01/01 Monday: early 5pm start for Adonis/Casas hair match [YouTube, could be delayed or paid]
01/02 Tuesday: normal 7:30pm [YouTube]
01/06 Saturday: early 5pm start – could be special Best of 2017 show [Claro]
(schedule returns to normal after this point)

Note that means no show on 01/05 Friday so they can run a big show on the traditional children’s holiday of January 6th instead. The press release says fans will be able to take photos with the Pequeno Reyes Magos, which sounds like the Micro Stars. There were apparently other changes in DTU beyond cutting ties with Angel O Demonio, so that firing was probably a real thing and not some X-LAW angle. I do not know what happened.

Yesterday afternoon, Garza Jr. went on Facebook Live to claim he and many other people who had worked the 12/08 ELITE show in Cuautitlán. He mentions Bandido & Fuerza among the others early on, then names most of the top names later on. Garza also posted a Whatasapp conversation he had been having – or trying to have – with Elite owner Ernesto Santillan, asking when he would get paid and getting no response for days. Someone named Michael Abreu, claiming to represent Elite, said Garza had been paid in advance and posted a photo of that check with a lot of key information redacted. People noticed the check didn’t look right, and found that it was actually a well known fraudulent check, something Abreu had apparently found on Google and marked up to make it look like it was for Garza. Abreu deleted everything after he was caught.

Elite’s next show is 12/25 in Mexico City. They haven’t announced matches five days out, and some of the people mentioned as not being paid are on this poster, so who knows what will happen. Golden Magic was still hyping the show after the Garza stuff started to happen so I assume he’s still in and believes the show is on.

Sunday’s Revolucha main event of Ciberentico versus LA Park versus Rush ended with Cafian winning. He was a late sub for Cibernetico, who had flight issues, and Park & Rush fouled each other to give Caifan the opening. The Revolucha was said to be the worst turnout they’ve had at the new location, while MDA drew very well in Arena Coliseo Monterrey at the same time.

MDA is hyping the Alberto earthquake benefit show on 01/20, so I suspect they’re the ones actually running it now if they weren’t before. They fixed the poster a bit, getting the right photos of Sexy Dulce and Caristico on there. Caristico’s still never mentioned being on this show, which would be odd for him to be on.

MedioTiempo has an interview with Aerostar about how Abismo Negro started him in the wrestling business.


CMLL (MON) 12/25/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Arkalis & Rey Samuray vs Policeman & Rey Apocalipsis
2) Astral, Fuego, Lestat vs Akuma, Disturbio, El Malayo
3) Drone, Stigma, The Panther vs Okumura, Tiger, Vangellys
4) Asturiano vs Espíritu Maligno [mask, hair]
5) Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán, Valiente vs Cuatrero, Máscara Año 2000, Sansón
6) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Gran Guerrero, Mephisto

They’re doing a big match and it’s probably not streaming (but Puebla local matches here have been disappointing.

CMLL (TUE) 12/26/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magnum & Tigre Blanco vs Frezzer & Furia Roja
2) Fantasy, Micro, Último Dragóncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Nitro, Relámpago Azul
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Sagrado
4) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis

Maybe they’re moving the Sky Team vs foreigners title feud over here? Semimain just as much could go to a title match.

CMLL (FRI) 12/29/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Sugar & Tigre Blanco vs Carlo Roggi & Mr. Apolo
2) Esfinge, Rielero, Star Black, Vaquero Jr. vs Joker, Nautilius, Rey Trueno, Sádico
3) El Gallito & Microman vs Mije & Perico Zakarías
4) Tritón vs ExplosivoNeutrónEl AlteñoOmar BrunettiPríncipe KishoFrezzerMr. TruenoMaléficoLeón Blanco [cage, hair, mask]

This looks like a replacement for the 12/25 and maybe 01/01 Sunday shows. I’m going to guess Neutron finally loses.

CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-12-05 

the entire section ducks and still gets drenched

Recapped: 12/13/2017


El Coyote & Espanto Jr. beat Retro & Sangre Imperial
(14:22 [8:15, 2:45, 3:22], 1/3. below average,

Fiero, Oro Jr., Starman beat Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel
(7:31 [2:24, 5:07], 1 DQ/2 DQ, ok, via

Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Disturbio, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr.
(12:05 [3:22, 2:43, 6:00], 2/3, ok, via

Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
(12:47 [4:31, 4:20, 3:56], 1/3, good, via

Johnny Idol, Okumura, Sam Adonis beat Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr.
(15:10 [5:09, 2:58, 7:03], 1/3, good, via

Último Guerrero beat Rush
(10:04, 2/3, good, via

  1. Rush corner dropkick (2:03)

  2. Pulpo Guerrero (3:48)

  3. UG pin with ropes (4:13)

What happened: 

Pegasso’s dive is now Fiero’s

This is the debut of the Adonis/Idol/Okumura trio, which seems to be a set unit and an important deal going forward. Rudos challenge for a trios title match, which they’re not getting yet even though the técnicos are all for it.

Mije hangs out with Universo for that match. Someone should give Mije a cowboy hat so he can just be a Dinamita until Kraneo returns from his home planet.

Rudos jump Starman on the way to the ring, which seemed to come as a surprise to the edecanes. Rudos are disqualified for excessive violence on Starman in the first, and for a Nitro foul on Starman in the second. Rudos destroy técnicos after the match.


wait, Tiger can do that without Puma?

Último Guerrero/Rush was the better match of the two, the one where it felt like the put in some genuine effort, and still nothing close to what I think a top match between these two could be. I’m convinced they’re facing off at FantasticaMania, and I’m just as convinced they’re going to have a much better match than what we saw in these two days. When the guys at the top don’t seem to be that into it, it’s not a surprise there’s so much filler here.

The new rudo trio did well for their debut match. They’re playing more more heel than the other groups, which gives these matches have a much different feel than the more fast paced spot trios match that preceded it. It was also just nice to see Sky Team working together and doing the fun things we got to see regularly when CMLL remembered these guys were an interesting act. Like last week, this match featured a Valiente and someone getting completely lost near the end but they brought it home OK.

The fourth was an easy good match, close to great. It’s very much what I’ve liked about the NGD trios this year, with a strong and interested group of técnicos working with them. NGD are not just better at teamwork, but better at setting up their opponents. It wasn’t just a reversed whip or a missed corner charge that gave the técnicos their last chance, but their deadly triple corner strike that backfired. I also think what CMLL is doing with Niebla Roja is working based on the reaction he got in this mach. Fans are taking to him in the same way as Marco Corleone, and it doesn’t seem like it’ll take that long for him to be as popular as the sort of similar Hijo del Fantasma, which would’ve been a huge reach at the start of the year. I’m not sure Niebla Roja is going to deliver the same peak matches, but it’s good for him anyway.

Coyote’s suplex is nice

The tercera was much better than the two that preceded, if only because the third fall really picked up in speed an intensity. They also found time to let Mije do something, instead of looking disinterested like his recent appearances. Disturbio seems like a guy who’s trying very hard to get in a groove before FantasticaMania (where he’ll wrestle 7 minute openers, but still.) I am slowly figuring out things Universo Jr. does: a sit down double knee drop, not put his arms out to catch on a dive.

I totally forgot Nitro was actually in the cage match until he fouled Starman to end their match. I guess this match is a good thing. Fiero had a nice 15 seconds round and everyone feuded to build up a show that’s happening on a different day. This was successful if not super memorable.

The opener seemed slower paced than usual. Retro doesn’t move fast, and the rudos were not in a hurry to pick up the pace. Coyote has a couple of nice spots but needs to be in a good match. Maybe he’ll get that chance in 2018.

Forastero is out of here