CMLL Martes de Nuevo Valores: 2017-11-21 

since when can Robin do this?

Recapped: 12/06/2017


Fantasy & Stukita beat Mercurio & Pequeño Olímpico
(13:08 [4:59, 3:36, 4:33], 2/3, ok, via

Astral, Flyer, Robin vs Akuma, Espanto Jr., Templario
(10:42 [4:40, 1:54, 4:08], 1/3, good, via

Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Metálica, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
(16:28 [8:03, 4:01, 4:24], 1/3, ok, via

Fuego vs Pegasso in a lightning match
(6:22, pinfall, ok, via

Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mr. Niebla
(6:50 [2:35, 4:15], 1/2 DQ, ok via

Ángel de Oro, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja beat Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero
(11:43 [5:12, 3:56, 2:35], 1/3, ok, via

What happened:

Ephesto fouled Stuka in the semimain. That didn’t go anywhere. That’s it.


foream battle

Marco is the right main eventer for these Tuesday shows. He gets over really easy with the casual fans, and those fans in generally seem to react the intended ways for the matches. A lot of the match, especially the first fall and third fall, was getting the crowd to react to spots and it all worked for them. He should on Tuesday shows a lot, though maybe that doesn’t work out financially. Niebla Roja had better chemistry than Negro Casas than Gran Guerrero. It’s Casas, everyone’s good with Casas, but there’s nothing left over from the Anniversario show. There wasn’t much there to begin with, and Niebla’s essentially a new person now.

The semimain is a by numbers quick match, with not much to it. It’s interesting they were going with a Stuka/Ephesto direction. If it was meant to be going anywhere (doubtful because neither man has a title), it was dropped to do the Johnny Idol heel turn again. Mr. Niebla took a Titan diving headscissors to the floor and it want perfectly fine.

The técnico/tecnico lightning match didn’t feel much different than usual. Neither guy hinted toward being a rudo, but no one really plays strong rudo in these anyway, and they did the same set up of dives and not many near falls as they’d do in any other lightning match. Pegasso reacted well to Fuego anyway. Pegasso’s 450 splash causing his downfall was a nice touch, but they really botched Fuego’s cradle as the finish. They really should’ve gotten up to do something more rather than end it like that.

Flyer jumping, spinning and landing on a rope before a moonsault

The women’s match starts with a sequence where Reina Isis or Silueta seems to forget what they’re doing. It improved, but never that better. Silueta would be a lot better if she was a little bit faster.

The second match might be a bit of a sliding scale for the second match, but it came off as fun when I watched it. One of the downsides to getting to see so much of CMLL is you see guys very early in their careers quite a bit, and those first years of performance can solidify an opinion of a wrestler that’s tough to shake. Akuma started appearing on these shows at 17, wasn’t much of a guy, and was easy to right off as a someone who would never been a guy. Either something’s clicked with him in the last six month or so, or it took me a while to notice, but he’s a much better rudo now, with him and Flyer matching up very well in the third fall. He’s still only 22. Robin looked more agile than ever here; he hasn’t done that ramp armdrag much, and I can’t recall the cool dive he did either. These guys have been in the opening matches for so long that it’s going to be tough to get the fans to take them as something else, but at least there’s a chance for some good matches with the Fiero/Templario class that’s coming. Even Astral, looking every bit like a man who’s two days away from his biggest competition of the year, still was moving around fine and pulling off good highspots. This is not must see, but it was fun and hopeful.

Mini opener was an ordinary match. Stukita has added a dance to his ole waves. Mercurio can do a lot of stuff when he wants to. He doesn’t want to often. Pequeño Olímpico is at better shape at his age than I will be, but I am not trying to be a professional athlete so I’m not sure that’s a fair comparison.

Astral double jump headscissors

Negro Casas gets the week off, IWRG, Puebla

photo by Black Terry Jr.

IWRG (SUN) 12/10/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), The Gladiatores]
1) Shadow Boy b Haziel
2) Odín b Keiser Drago
Keiser Dragon replaced Atomic Star
3) Aramis & Lunatic Xtreme b Alas de Acero & Demonio Infernal
Demonio Infernal blamed and attacked Alas de Acero for losing.
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo b Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Eterno, Warrior Jr.
Warrior Jr. replaced Black Terry (injury)
5) Liderk, Rayan, Spector b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly © [EdM Trios]
Dinamic Dragons fall to Comando Elite in their first defense.
6) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr. b Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.
straight falls. The new Capos challenged the Piratas to an apuesta match.

Attendance seems was very slight; maybe a little bit better than those first pictures but also maybe struggling to reach 100 people. No one draws well going against the LigaMX final, but it also suggests no one really cares all that much about these guys right now. People will show up next week because it’s a mask match, and maybe they’ll show again if they’re really doing Capos versus Piratas in an apuesta match, but IWRG’s hasn’t been able to turn any of their local guys into big stars of late (probably because their booking is so random week to week.)

Negro Casas is off this week’s CMLL’s bookings. Polvora takes Casas place in the Reyes del Aire tournament tonight in Arena Puebla, with Euforia (Tuesday in Guadalajara), and Shocker (Friday) and Okumura (Sunday) on the other shows. This seems like a replay of the build up to the Anniversario show, where Niebla Roja went missing due to injury and CMLL talked around the situation while hoping/planning on him being back in time. I suspect Negro Casas will still get to the ring on 01/01. It’s possible they might have just decided that the buildup they did to this point was good enough and it was better to get Casas some rest before the big match. The Guerrero/Roja feud suffered for not having Roja around, but the dynamic is different here – Sam Adonis just needs to be someone the fans want to see beat – and it shouldn’t hurt CMLL as much this time around as long as Casas can make the match.

Today’s CMLL show has a match billed as the Rey del Aire VIP. It doesn’t come off as that way: Polvora, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero, Gran Guerrero, Felino and even Niebla Roja are not guys who would be thought of as kings of the air. It’s helpful to have some rudos who are good at catching dives in this, but it comes off as a normal cibernetico with a better than average name. The winner should come from the Mistico, Volador, Dragon Lee and Valiente group (and it seems like time for Dragon Lee to get a win.)

Soberano probably should be in that match instead of Niebla Roja. Instead, Soberano teams with Angel de Oro & Marco against the new evil trio of Sam Adonis, Johnny Idol and Okumura. Astral, Asturiano and Pegasso face Cancerbero, Raizel and Espiritu Maligno. Pegasso, Raziel and Cancerbero are all in the 12/25 cage match. Lestat & Tigre Rojo team up to face Signo & King Jaguar, and the show opens with Arkalis & Paris against Fuerza Chicana & Policeman.

The show will air on CMLL’s YouTube channel like normal. They’ll be on their next week too. The 12/25 and 01/01 shows are still on at schedule, but at an earlier time and presumably not going to be streamed.

Goya Kong says she fractured her fibia and tibia, so she’s not going to be back soon. She thanks AAA for all the support on social media. That’s notable compared to past stories when AAA’s been accused of not supporting injured luchadors.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-11-20 


Recapped: 12/05/2017


Millenium & Vega beat Ares & Guerrero Espacial
(12:59 [7:00, 2:28, 3:31], 1/3, ok, via

Asturiano & Stukita beat Joker & Pequeño Nitro
(15:45 [7:38, 3:31, 4:36], 1/3, ok, via

Dalys beat La Vaquerita in a lightning match
(7:20, spinning side slam, ok,

Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Virus beat Fuego, Stigma, Stuka Jr.
(12:22 [3:26, 5:43, 3:13], 2/3, ok, via

Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Soberano Jr. beat Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
(14:08 [5:20, 1:24, 7:24], 2/3, good, via

Máscara Año 2000, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero beat Niebla Roja, Rush, Valiente  
(9:43 [2:45, 1:39, 5:19], 1/3, ok, via

What happened:

Both UG and Rush have their feet in the ropes on the finishing pin, but Tirantes never even looks in the direction of the pin as he counts.

Pequeño Nitro is a late sub for Pierrothito – so late, they actually just place Pierrothito’s music for him.


Dalys looks behind herself to a bump, then scoots into position for the next spot

The main event wasn’t long, though it was freshened up a little by Rush actually being in the técnico side. He still wrestled like a rudo, but Rush getting annoyed at someone else’s shenanigans is always a good deal. Niebla Roja and Mascara 2000 engaging in a pose off was odd, and so was them playing it out like Mascara was some giant and Roja a tiny guy. Valiente and Negro Casas were technically in the match.

There’s probably a MOTYC coming at some point in the next 12 months out of NGD versus Soberano, Dragon Lee, and whoever they find as the sixth man. This wasn’t that match. It had nothing to do with Angel de Oro, who’s perfectly fine as a third man, but just the usual ceiling of a normal b-show match. Still, even with those limits, you can tell these guys were enjoying working with other and smoothly going from one thing to the next. They did about half of what they could do and it was still a pretty entertaining match. Dragon Lee scares me when he gets really excited to do something, but the tope con giro to the floor went fine.

someone’s got to talk him into stopping this

The fourth match lacked a lot of the usual energy in these things, especially on the técnico side. Stigma’s tope was a nice way of breaking the usual formula, but it’s not a good sign when he’s clearly the one most into the match in his trio. Fuego messed up the thru the legs top for the first in forever, that’s about how that one went.

I guess you ought to give everyone tries at singles matches to see if something comes from them. Nothing much came from the women’s match, and the crowd wasn’t much outside one near fall. Dalys can’t help but make the matches look choreographed at times, taking the intensity down and making it clear she’s getting in position for moves.

The dives at the end of the minis match woke me up, from a show that was becoming really boring to watch. I’m not sure how much it really woke up because it looks I never finished this paragraph.

The opener had a lot of mat wrestling and none of the Vega high spots I wanted to see. Millenium’s 450 is an excuse to mark this as OK, but it’s not really that good.