CMLL (TUE) 12/05/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara]
1) Magnum & Tigre Blanco b Frezzer & Furia Roja
2) Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis b Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta
Marcela replaced Lady Maravilla earlier in the day. Reina Isis beat Sugehit to set up a title match.
3) Esfinge b Puma © [OCCIDENTE LH]
Puma falls on 2nd defense
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Shocker DQ Carístico, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr.
Caristico replaced Valiente and Mr. Niebla replaced Rush on Thursday. Shocker replaced Kraneo the day of the show. Mr. Niebla fouled Caristico.
Guadalajara Tuesday results on a Thursday, with text and everything! It’s not enough to get over my soul being crushed by Puma losing but it’s something. Caristico & Niebla are matched up again on 12/12, so that might be an actual feud.
Konnan addressed his departure from The Crash on his Keepin It 100 podcast, in a segment that starts 34:35 in. He explains it as a mutual parting of ways, rather than the implied firing The Crash statement put out. Konnan brings up two reasons: lack of trust & lack of time. His overarching belief is it’s better for everyone to be working together and getting along, because it gives everyone more places to work. He took that concept and a suggestion by Impact’s Ed Nordholm into having a meeting with AAA & Dorian Roldan. (Konnan says he was angry with Dorian Roldan two years ago, but could move past it if it was best for everyone. Also, other information suggests this meeting happened a while ago.) The idea framed here is it was about to get AAA & Crash to agree to a “non-aggression pact” – get something done to get AAA to stop running shows against them (like in Aguascalientes & Queretaro, and even them both running Nuevo Laredo the same day), and work out something so AAA/LLFMV would stop threatening Fenix & Penta & everyone they work with lawsuits. It didn’t work; AAA isn’t backing off, and The Crash lost trust in Konnan, believing he was actually trying to get back in good with AAA. Konnan noted that once you lose trust, it’s tough to rebuild it.
The other issue was time. Konnan wasn’t around enough for their liking. The Crash wasn’t happy Konnan was at Impact tapings when The Crash had their big tour, and wasn’t happy that Arolucha would be another thing taking his focus away from The Crash. Konnan says they pushed him to concentrate on The Crash, he wanted to do more than that, and they agreed to split.
Konnan says there’s not going to be an exodus from The Crash like has happened with him before; Crash hasn’t signed anyone to contracts, so they’re free to work from both Arolucha and The Crash if they want.
Early on, Konnan mentions Mario & Nacho as the owners of The Crash, and says he was given 1/3rd of the company when he was brought on board. It’s not mentioned again. In his column today, Leo Riano says Konnan still has that chunk of The Crash. The WON mentions they’re still in the process of figuring out the business end of the split, so it’s probably in Konnan’s interest to stay on decent terms with The Crash until he gets that payoff.
The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has some other differences in their version of events. Dave quotes “one person close to the situation” saying the issue was not the time issue, but “the person paying the bills gets the final call” and Konnan was making the calls himself some times. The conversation with AAA/Dorian comes up here: Konnan never got their OK to do that, and never told them he had after the fact. They found out thru others, confronted Konnan, and Konnan credited Impact with coming up with the idea. (Again, this must’ve happened a while ago, because Impact’s big idea is credited to Jeff Jarrett, and was a The Crash invasion at TripleMania. Konnan seems to have rejected the idea because too many Crash guys were still not happy with AAA.) Konnan believed he smoothed the situation out after the Crash owners found out about his talk with AAA, but instead they were quietly planning to move him out.
The WON quotes Konnan saying that The Crash ownership knew about Arolucha, at one point talking to Aroluxe about getting partial ownership in the company and running the tapings in Mexico, then backing away once Arolucha decided to tape in Nashville instead. My understanding is The Crash thought their involved with Arolucha was done at that point, and were caught off guard to find out Konnan working for them and many of their wrestlers being involved.
A few missing points from the CMLL press conference yesterday that turned up in press coverage
- SuperLuchas solves yesterday’s minor mystery: Mephisto was the name from Leyenda de Azul field we were missing. I am not excited to get more Mephisto in a cibernetico, but the concept this year is only heavyweight (or as close as they can come) rudos in the match.
- There was a segment with Sam Adonis, Okumura, and Johnny Idol, pushing their new trio as a big deal. While they’re not getting the the trios title shot at against the Sky Team this Tuesday, that’s obviously coming soon – and almost has to be on the 19th.
- Why? Because there won’t be any Tuesday shows for a while after that according to Ovaciones. The Sunday shows on 12/24 and 12/31 are being pushed back a day to run them on the holidays and, rather than run Arena Mexico back to back days, CMLL’s taking Tuesdays 12/26 and 01/02 off. It’ll be a strange Monday/Friday Arena Mexico schedule for those two weeks. They’ll resume running Sundays on 01/07 (which will be the Three Kings Day show, so pencil in the minis feud or some title match for that date), and Tuesdays will go back to normal on 01/09.
- There’s no mention yet of where this leaves the Puebla or Guadalajara shows.
At his press conference, Alberto said the funds from his charity show and merchandise was going to go towards 56 children who lost parents in the September earthquake. There’s a Claro article which says they’ll be streaming the event; the idea that the show would be streamed is not mentioned elsewhere. In that article, he thanks Dorian Roldan for the invitation to his event (their show Saturday?) and allowing them to use Wagner. It also reads like he thanks Roldan for allowing him to use Caristico, which would make no sense so I think something must got lost here. (If someone thought Caristico was still working for AAA, it would explain why he showed up on that poster as Myzteziz.) Alberto says no one’s going to have a problem working that show. That seems like fantasy talk coming from most people and Alberto’s told some whoppers, but I think the story is he’s still on good terms with CMLL ownership. They’re not going to pay what it costs to use him, but it’s possible they’d stay out of Caristico’s way if he wanted to work this show. It’s more strange Caristico would want to. At least check, he hasn’t mentioned this show on Twitter.
Alberto says he hopes to fill Deportivo Morelos with 3,000 people for this show. In that article, he also says he plans on running this shows twice a year, with 5,000 people at the next one, and then maybe they can run Toluca’s stadium in 2019 with his hair versus Rey Mysterio Jr.’s mask.
Fuego explains the story of how he got his original Flash name: the promoter already had a Spider-Man and a Batman and needed a trios partner. It sounds like owners of the comic book trademark got involved when he was using it CMLL, which was our guess at the time, and that prompted his change to Fuego.
XFL MMA is running Arena Mexico on Saturday.
CaraLucha is teasing a return show announcement next week.
Lucha Memes 12/25 in Coliseo Coacalco
Ricky Marvin’s matches in Lucha Memes prior to AAA was really good, looking like one of the best guys in Mexico as he faced a variety of young wrestlers. I have no idea if he’ll recapture that, but it’s worth a shot.
AAA’s got a 12/17 spot show in Orizaba with Hernandez & Rey Escorpion vs Hijo de Dr. Wagner & Vampiro as the main event.
Hijo del Santo appeared as the opening of the Puebla museum exhibit to honor his father. Santo said he had an offer to do a Santo museum in Spain two years ago, but really wants it to be in Mexico (and really wants the government to fund it.)
Lady Flammer unmasked Nahomi in Monterrey.
Last Word in Pro Wrestling has an interview with Sam Adonis about his time in CMLL.
SuperLuchas has an obit for Manuel Juarez.
Simbolo talks about being a wrestling and TV star.
LuchaWorld has the latest news update.
A new episode of LuchaTalk is up.
Segunda Caida writes about Black Terry in Japan.
Eterno talks about suffering a leg injury on AAA show.
Lineups
IWRG (SUN) 12/10/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Haziel vs Shadow Boy
2) Odín vs Atomic Star
3) Aramis & Lunatic Xtreme vs Alas de Acero & Demonio Infernal
4) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Eterno
5) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly © vs Liderk, Rayan, Spector [EdM Trios]
first defense
6) Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr. vs Capo Del Norte, Capo Del Sur, Máscara Año 2000 Jr.
oh good the Capos are back. This might be the best chance ever for the Comando Elite to win trios titles, getting a big win before the mask match the week following.
No IWRG show yesterday because there’s the AAA/Rosales show tonight. It now occurs to me that someone else is probably running on 12/25 since Memes is in Coacalco.
