great match roundup, week of 2017-10-28

Soberano

in this group

I’m so far thrown off that I started working on the 10/31 recap again before realizing I had to have posted that one. There’s a lot of disposable CMLL b-show matches going on; note only one recommended match this week, and only two last week. It’s not getting better.

MOTYC list is updated.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Diamante Azul vs MisticoSoberano Jr.ValienteCuatreroForasteroHechiceroSansón [Rey del Inframundo] LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
good Rey Wagner vs Johnny Mundo © for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Johnny Mundo vs Rey Wagner por el Mega Campeonato AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-28 2017-10-01
good Lady Maravilla vs Zeuxis in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
good Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Puma, Tiger, Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
good Dalys © vs Marcela for the CMLL World Women’s Championship LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03

Other matches

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Argenis vs LanzelothRicky MarvinAvernoChessmanSúper FlyTito SantanaMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr.RaptorDragoAerostar [domed cage] Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) OGT´S vs Poder del Norte vs Ejercito AAA vs Cadetes del Espacio en el Domo de la Muerte (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-28 2017-10-01
ok Astral vs Virus in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Rey Cometa vs Olímpico, Pólvora, Sagrado LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. vs Hechicero, Kráneo, Rey Bucanero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Ephesto, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Flyer & Magia Blanca vs Apocalipsis & Cholo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Eléctrico, Shockercito, Stukita vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado Disturbio Cmll, Sagrado y Misterioso Jr vs The Panther, Blue Panther Jr y Jhony Idol. 1a caída (posted by Princesa Dorada) Disturbio Cmll, Sagrado y Misterioso Jr vs The Panther, Blue Panther Jr y Jhony Idol. 2a y 3a caidas (posted by Princesa Dorada) LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Astral & Robin vs Artillero & Espanto Jr. LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
ok Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
ok Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
below average Johnny Mundo © vs La ParkaRey EscorpiónPsycho ClownHijo del FantasmaHernandezPsicosis IIMambaMurder ClownDark CuervoMonsther ClownDark ScoriaEstrella DivinaHisteria IIMarty MartinezPimpinela EscarlataDave The Clown for the AAA Latin American Championship and for the Copa Antonio Pena Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Lucha por la Copa Antonio Peña y el Campeonato Latinoamericano AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-28 2017-10-01
not rated Millenium & París vs El Perverso & King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
not rated Espíritu Maligno & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Cancerbero & RazielLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30

CMLL on ClaroSports: 2017-11-03 

Zombie Casas

Recapped: 11/18-19/2017

Matches: 

Astral & Robin beat Artillero & Espanto Jr.
(10:44 [4:20, 2:27, 3:57], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa beat Puma, Tiger, Virus
(15:10 [5:40, 2:28, 7:02], 2/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker beat Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr.
(13:30 [3:54, 5:01, 4:35], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dalys © beat Marcela for the CMLL World Women’s Championship
(15:12, good, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Sansón defeated Diamante Azul, Mistico, Soberano Jr., Valiente, Cuatrero, Forastero, Hechicero, for the Rey del Inframundo championship
(31:19, great via VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Valiente Indian Deathlock Forastero (06:07)
  2. Hechicero Magia Negra Valiente (10:15)
  3. Diamante Azul German suplex Hechicero (11:26)
  4. Cuatrero springboard splash Diamante Azul (14:41)
  5. Sansón Torture Rack Bomb Mistico (18:28)
  6. Soberano Fire Driver Cuatrero (20:56)
  7. Sansón super Torture Rack Bomb (31:19)

Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero beat Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr.
(3:53 [1:58, 1:55], 1/2 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

Sanson plancha

This is the first of the three Dia de Los Muertos show.

From the third match on, the losers of the match are dragged to hell ( a side exit) by painted up soldiers of hell. The gods of hell pose and pace on top of the stage for the matches – they appear to be played by Dalys and Rush this year. La Catrina (Gaby Bau) introduces the segment. The rudos and the edecanes are face painted up like calavera skeletons, though the wrestlers are also generally wearing glow in the dark body suits rather than being mostly painted like in previous years. The referees are half wearing makeup (as impartiality?) the matches are wrestled under a purple light, which makes it hard to watch.

The artists are honored before that part of the show starts.

Volador is the least into this concept of anyone on the whole show. Carístico also has a Pennywise thing going (plus a baby), so now the Misticos even cosplay the same. Rush trips and falls coming out, but just goes with it and slides to a pose to unmask.

Rush playing it cool

Rush fouled UG in the middle of the técnico comeback, ending the match quickly. The guardians of hell attack the Guerreros instead of the losing técnicos, and carry them out – I guess the idea Rush is still in charge. After the rudos are away, Volador and Rush unmask Carístico. Rush holds up the Ingobernables fist for Volador, and a makes it very clear to the fans what he’s doing. Volador is not committal, and Rush tells him to think about and leaves. The Guardians come for Carístico too after the other técnicos leave.

Soberano comes out in a tope hat and suit for the Rey del Inframundo. Diamante Azul has a Dia de Muertos version of his mask. Valiente dresses like normal. Mistico dresses like Pennywise from IT. The rudos are all wearing Dia de Muertos affected masks. Sides are técnicos vs rudos. Instead of the usual referees at ringside to keep everyone from getting involved, the Hell soldiers circle ringside to take the eliminated people away. It’s not quite a lumberjack feel but it leaves a lot of extra people hanging around.

Marcela tried running out the front of of Arena Mexico after she’s lost the title match, but gets captured and brought back. In general, the luchadors are much more aggressive at fighting back this year but not any more successful.

Thoughts: 

Esfinge thought something else was happening 

An ok rating for the main event was generous; it wasn’t really long enough to be anything either way. These main events after a big cibernetico or a little match can’t help but feel anticlimatic, and the only real effort was to get the match over as quick as possible. The show felt like it was over when they did the big Rush/Volador angle. Not in a way where it felt like a surprise, but more in a way where I think most people were probably turning to leave and missed it.

The Rey Inframundo was a worthwhile addition to the collection of big Sansón/Soberano matches in 2017 which also had a good cibernetico before it. They went 10:23 on their own, which was just about as long as Forastero & Valiente were in the match at all. That was far more time than I was expecting, and really gave the an opportunity to get a lot of close calls in before the finish. (Even knowing who won, I thought the superbomb set up was it, only for them to go about five minutes before.) They seemed to have less issues than the other big matches, and Sansón got to look as impressive as his técnico opponent while also finally getting the big win. The entire bit with the last four was really good too. This was an anti-Mistico crowd, but not due to his performance, looking spectacular and unjustly eliminated early.

The opening of the match thru Forastero’s elimination was the bit of craziness I look for in these ciberneticos. It slowed down a bit after there for a while. Hechicero and Diamante Azul had no chemistry together in their sequence. Diamante Azul looked more impressive in his run on his own against everyone, but still not smooth. His offense looked impressive, but I was happy hew as getting it all in, because it obviously meant it would be gone.

Puma forearm

The camerawork wasn’t strong here, with the director having not idea where to shoot when Forastero got eliminated (which might have been audio cue issue too) and missed Mistico’s ramp dive. Cuatrero and Soberano having big standoffs is not the time to cut to the stage or flashing lights. There were too many distractions for a crew that has trouble staying on target to begin with, but they generally settled down and we got the shots of the big moves late.

The women’s title match had a lot of action the whole way thru. I don’t want to say it had too much action, but did felt like they were at the same level of action from the start. It was like they went to third fall finishing sequences from early on, with the first fall ending with the sort of cradles reveals that might end a match, and everything just staying on the same note from there. Dalys was trying a lot of stuff she doesn’t normally do – the Misterioso style inverted bodyslam, the running Gory Special, and springboard dropkick stuck out as different – which helpfully filled the space. Just sprinting from the start is no problem, but they couldn’t help it form feeling like one of those matches that just went back and forth randomly without any move from either women really giving them a sense of control. This was about as good as match as they’re going to get without a story deeper than “we’re really evenly matches.” Dalys wasn’t even working much of a ruda. This was a great performance in terms of action (up until Dalys blew her finish), probably the best they’ve had of this match up, but I’d really like a new dimension to it.

The third match was the first with the special effects for Dia de Muertos, and probably benefited from it the most. It made the match harder to see, but easier to distract from the generic content. The técnicos did their usual offense, so did Cavernario & Casas, and Shocker was also there. It didn’t have much of a direction – the rudos just won the second fall out of nowhere, there wasn’t a strong comeback, and they just kept doing stuff until it was time to go home. The million cuts to the people on the stage only helped to make it feel more like something was happening. It was not horrible – Shocker’s count of Stuka’s plancha was horrible – but it was just there.

Cometa diving headscissors + superkick

The first two falls were the usual standard but satisfactory stuff from the Puma/Tiger/Cometa/Drone level crew. It really accelerates to something special as the third fall goes on, with action flying by and some well timed moments and twists on usual stuff (adding the superkick to Cometa’s headscissors was neat.) The double elimination spot really felt like when they were onto something, and this wasn’t far off from a higher grade. I’m not sure if I appreciate these guys as much as I should because I’m seeing them so often, and I kind of wonder if they’d just shock everyone if you dropped this same exact trios on a ROH PPV or something. Esfinge was the weak link here, with the laughable miscommunication miss in the first fall and wildness later on, but that wildness let to Puma just laying him out a couple times and I’m cool with that. Rey Cometa’s age and style sure would suggest he should be slowing down by now, and maybe he needs to join Pegasso and drop the 450, but he’s mostly still looks as athletic as ever and has gotten smoother somehow. I’m not sure if this would be the best singles match version of Rey Cometa but he’s excellent in trios nowadays.

The opener was a very average opening match. CMLL either needs to let Super Comando back in or let Artillero go, they’re both not as good along as they were with each other. Espanto Jr. is no Super Comando and not a great rudo, standing passively to set up técnico moves and showing no great aggression on his own. Astral & Robin tried to do things that probably looked cooler in their heads than they did for the rest of us in execution; the first fall finish seemed to a big set up that didn’t really pay off.

Dalys springboard dropkick

Rush/UG set up in Puebla, Tuesday preview

Robin

CMLL (MON) 11/27/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Efekto10]
1) Espíritu Maligno, Meyer, Vega b Joker, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Black Tiger, Oro Jr., Robin b Arkángel de la Muerte, Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) El Malayo, Felino, Misterioso Jr. b Blue Panther Jr., Rey Samuray, The Panther LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Pierroth b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Carístico, Mistico, Rush b Máscara Año 2000, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mr. Niebla replaced Negro Casas. Straight falls. Rush pinned Ultimo Guerrero and then challenged him to a title match because he likes fighting him. Rush teased making it a hair match later on, which UG was enthusiastic about.

Not much talk about this show. The main event marked Mascara 2000’s 40th year as a wrestler, which CMLL uses a lead in to promote Thursday’s Universo 2000’s benefit show. I guessed CMLL would just make UG/Rush non-title to avoid the silliness about them both being way over the weight limit (and it’s not likely the title would be changing hands anyway), but CMLL’s not bothered by that silliness all that much.

Not a lot going on with Tuesday’s card. CMLL’s preview has Misterioso and Sagrado as the main photo. (They team with Tiger face the Panthers & Drone.) It’s strange Misterioso, the guy who’s been unmasking tecnicos after most every match for months, isn’t yet part of the upcoming cage match. Misterioso seems to have been trying to make his own thing happen, but CMLL could at least take advantage and throw him and The Panther in there.

The main event is Mistico, Rush and Volador versus Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero and Negro Casas. That sounds good, but Tuesday main events are rather quick. Johnny Idol, Stuka and Valiente face Ephesto, Luciferno and Okumura in the semimain. Last week, Ephesto fouled Stuka. They’re matched up again this week. That might be a feud they’re building, though Stuka & Ephesto rarely get singles matches without a bigger star also being involved.

Polvora vs Vangellys is an odd lightning match. The segunda has Templario & Magia Blanca making an appearance. Sonic is in the opener. The show will air on YouTube on 7:30pm.

Dragon Rojo is off the shows this week, after being injured in Friday’s match. He wrote on twitter that he doesn’t know how long he’ll be out. Sanson, the runner up in the Copa Junior Nuevo Valores, has been added to the Copa Junior VIP. Shocker takes Dragon Rojo’s place on Sunday.

Entry to CMLL’s bodybuilding contest will be free on Wednesday (with identification.) There’s usually a “bring a ticket stub” sort of deal, but they’re not even doing that much. They haven’t mentioned if it’ll be streaming. I assume it will be, but it jumped out to me that they aren’t moving Informa from 4pm, and they’d normally do that if they’re streaming something earlier.

There’s been a lack of CMLL hype for the bodybuilding contest this year compared to the past ones, which would be the 11th one since they restarted them. There was one article on the website and occasionally mentions, but not treated like a major event as it sometimes has been. Every so often this year, I’ll see a stray reference to new or different people running CMLL – Dr. Alfonso Morales said something along those lines in a usual How Can We Fix CMLL column (answer: get decent TV) – but no one ever really says what those differences are (Sofia Alonso?) and the finished product hasn’t changed all that much. CMLL playing down the bodybuilding contest would be a notable change.

Squared Circle Siren reports Lucha Underground officials will be at the RISE wrestling shows this weekend, scouting for female wrestlers for the Season 4. People with the show have told the story of going to Stardom US shows prior to Season 2, and offering deals to many women they saw wrestle at those shows. No idea if it’ll be that numerous this time, but it’s make sense if someone from those shows ended up getting signed (and we might find out what they’re actually promising about Season 4 and contracts.)

Tickets for AAA’s 12/09 benefit show are on sale; they’re running from 185 to 597MX ($10-$32US)

Sexy Dulce and Diosa Quetzal’s match from nine days ago is suddenly getting noticed, because a video showing Quetzal kneeing Dulce in the face and Sexy fighting back went viral. It’s one clip from a longer match (the guy who originally posted it put up in four parts because why make things easy to watch), where Dulce had been hitting Quetzal hard and Quetzal’s knee was more fighting back.

I’m not up for another cycle of “Dulce Garcia: worst person ever or angel from heaven persecuted by meanies” – this thing has been around for a couple days but I ignored it till it reached Twitter. Even then I completely regret paying any attention to it. This is a match on a show with no TV, in a promotion that irregularity runs, the person everyone thought was crazy is still thought to be crazy. There’s nothing new here except car crash video to gawk at, and the people who enable here are going to keep on doing it.

The difference between now and AAA is she’s still pretty popular in Monterrey but completely be irrelevant outside it. She’ll be back booked everywhere again eventually, because wrestling people can’t help themselves when it comes to people they believe are stars, and no amount of social media anger about what she’s doing now is going to change that. People there say Sexy Star was acting unprofessional, and she definitely was if this wasn’t the plan, but I think acting unprofessional at times is also her implicit gimmick at this point – she’s some Mexican warped boxing version of a Japanese wrestler who’s building her name by shooting on people in matches to prove she’s the real legit one. Maybe one days he’ll pay this off by doing the MMA match she’s occasionally teasing, but she’s right now a highly paid oddity on the fringes of lucha libre who’s not worthy of any of the attention people are giving her today. Save your anger for when she’s inevitably booked by the big promotions again.

(The only real lesson here is Diosa Quetzal seems to end up in situations that get attention; she was one of the dozens of anonymous luchadoras in Mexico City just a couple years ago, and now is getting put in singles matches with Diosa Quetzal because people have been convinced she’s a star. I don’t think she’s good, I know that people will rush to tell you that she’s definitely not good at wrestling whenever she comes up, but she’s getting booked around the country because she marketed herself well and got herself on a TV show. Convincing people, be it fans or promoters, that you’re Actually A Big Deal is as important part of a wrestling career as what you do in in the ring, but most people don’t seem to put much effort in it.)

In an interview in Mazatlan, Mistico says he won’t put up his name against Caristico – he’s feels he’s the rightful Mistico right now anyway, why should he have to give it up – but would be open to a singles match.

Maxilar in Tijuana will have Alberto vs Dr. Wagner on 12/15.

+LuchaTV’s 50th podcast has Ciberentico as a guest.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania and the latest Lucha Report.

The Global Revolucion podcast talks some CMLL & IWRG matches and I will link to any podcast that goes down the IWRG rabbit hole.

Lineups

IWRG FILL (WED) 11/29/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Crimen, Dragón, Sumed vs Dianmico, Dranzer, Pumita
2) Celestial, Fly Tiger, Voltar vs Black Puma, Chicanito, Guerrero 2000
3) Dragón Orus, Haziel, Orión vs Adrenalina, Keshin Black, Power Bull
4) Hijo Del Bombero, Kanon, Súper Brazo Jr. vs Atomic Star, Leroy, Toxin
5) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Eterno, Lunatik Xtreme, Ovett, Skanda
6) Alas de Acero, Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Avisman, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Shadow Boy vs Ángel Drago, Atomic Fly, Cadilac, Cremosito, Death Metal, Marduk, Mr. Snake, Taurino [Copa High Power]
Black Terry students vs Oficial 911 students

There is a Wednesday show, a trainee one. They posted it over the weekend and I missed it.

new lucha videos for the weekend of November 25th, 2017

AAA didn’t air anything that didn’t air on the web version (but maybe the long version gets the Shani/Venus match next week.) Only one IWRG show this week, and the feed was down all of Monday.

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-11-25
taped 2017-11-17 @ Arena México – Mega
1) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
2) Solar I & Súper Astro vs Black Terry & Virus
4) Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV vs Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-25
taped 2017-11-21 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Drone, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado
2) Dragón Lee vs Cavernario
3) Soberano Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis

 

RIOT: 2017-07-29 

Sammy Guevera

Recapped: 11/16/2017

This is a show on the Powerbomb.TV service – the first RIOT show on that service, though not the first RIOT show – so you’ll need to be a subscriber to watch it. (They’ll give you a short free trial service for anyone, and there’s many promotion-specific codes that’ll give you a longer free trial if you’d google around.)

The show is completely and only the live presentation. They have a few different camera angles, but no match announcers and no on screen graphics telling listing who is who. The ring announcer comes thru pretty clearly, so I was able to tell who is who pretty easily. Still, many of these guys I’ve barely if ever seen, and may be unfamiliar. I figure the most useful thing I can do here is identify who’s who.

Below is the time each match starts. (Powerbomb is eventually going to make it possible to link to timestamps, but it wasn’t working last time I checked. You should be able to scroll around.)

00:00:20 Hell Raider vs Black Raider (10:18, ok)
– Hell Raider is the bigger of the two occasional tag team partners. Black Raider has the Venom match. They both appear to be less experienced wrestlers.
00:13:55 Sayrus vs Low Rider (11:29, ok)
– Low Rider comes out in a suit, doing a one off parody of a musician before changing into his gear at ringside. Sayrus is in black and neon green (and is not the Syrus who recently was in Michinoku Pro.)
00:35:05 Psicótico vs Muerte ExtremeHooligan Byron in a hardcore rules match (20:11, ok)
– Muerte Extreme has white facepaint. Psicotico is the masked wrestler of the three. Byron is the third guy out, adding himself to a match he wasn’t scheduled in.

01:01:24 Erick Ortiz vs Black Terry (11:58, good)
– Black Terry is the older man of the two, wearing his traditional black and yellow gear. Ortiz is also wearing black and yellow, but some silver.
01:18:35 Arez vs KratozDralionSammy GuevaraFuego Del Sol (Oklahoma) (9:02, great)
– This is the “Please Don’t Dive” Invitational, a name play off the “Please Don’t Die” chant. They are allowed to dive. Dralion is in a dark blue/yellow with a green shirt. Kratos has a silver, black and yellow mask. Fuego Del Sol is in black and orange (flames, of course). This is his debut here; he’s actually an Oklahoma guy. Arez is unmasked, in blue/silver shorts with blue pants underneath. Sammy Guevera is unmasked, in black shorts, and is the one attempting to celebrate his birthday.
01:40:23 Fly Warrior vs Shane Strickland in a POWERBOMB.TV CHAMP quarterfinal (18:28, good)
– Fly Warrior is the masked one of the two, wearing black. Strickland is in green. This is a one off for both, a match being brought in so RIOT (& Mexico) can be part of the title tournament.

What Happened:

Ortiz attempts to break Black Terry

RIOT is not a big What Happened promotion, but the important things going forward are Low Rider wants a match with Black Terry (which he’ll get on the next show), and Sammy Guevera still wants to face Jack Evans (which was supposed to happen at a previous show, only Jack was hurt.)

Review:

You should go out of your way to watch the semimain. I’m avoiding using GIFs of that match because I think you’ll enjoy it more if you don’t see it coming. A five way match has to be tough to put together, but they had lots of action in the time they went – the only really problem here is it felt like they could’ve done more than nine minutes of material. The finish was the right finish given the prematch setup, but I was left wanting a little more when it was done. They took the normal scramble format and tweaked it a little bit: instead of getting Big Indie Move #21, they mixed in some fancy lucha submissions. It made it feel a bit more something that was part of lucha libre and not just emulating elsewhere. Sammy stuck out as the future major league star of the bunch; he’s got an extra level of polish and sharpiness compared to a guy like Arez, who’s very good but doesn’t draw attention to himself as well. Fuego del Sol seemed very fast and not overwhelmed. The crowd signing Happy Birthday at the end was very cool, and the crowd was into the rest of the show.

Kratoz is tricky

There are good matches on the rest of the show. Black Terry/Erik Ortiz is a usual good match in the “Terry versus someone much younger” style. Ortiz was solid, but between this and the match I saw live, it’s hard to put a finger on what makes him different. The slam into the corner looked big.

The main event was interesting. I’d seen the match when Powerbomb streamed it on Facebook months ago, but it was worth watching twice. I don’t think the crowd was all that into Shane Strickland at the start and he didn’t seem all that comfortable at first – let’s all agree to stop chanting New Day at every black wrestler in Mexico – but he and Fly Warrior found a groove as the match went on. For all the kicks and other flashy offense they both can do, the turning point was Strickland’s small joint manipulation submission hold. That’s stuff is still pretty novel in Mexico and Strickland’s nicely added to what he does this year.

one complaint: camera cuts here made it hard to actually see the kick

The other matches were fine. Black Raider/Hell Raider were two young kids trying very hard and pulling of a couple crazy sports, which is all you could ask. Crowd enjoyed chanting Raider for both of them. Low Rider/Syrus felt like it ended pretty suddenly and there was more going on before the match, but the crowd was into it. The three way is not my style, but it’s probably a good idea to have different styles. Bryon being added really helped the match, because the crowd really got behind him. That match turned out to be really long, and didn’t seem to have enough going on to justify 20 minutes.

AroLucha debut lineup, upcoming IWRG apuesta matches

IWRG (SUN) 11/26/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Dragón Orus b New Warrior
2) Demonio Infernal b Keiser Drago
listed as Toxin & Mosca, the rare double no show.
3) Mike & Teelo b Máquina Infernal & Tackle
straight falls
4) Demonio Infernal, Dr. Cerebro, Fresero Jr. b Eterno, Heddi Karaoui, Lunatik Extreme
Fresero and Lunatik were added to the match.
5) Liderk, Rayan, Spector b Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly
straight falls for the Comando Elite. The Tortuga Ninjas challenged them to a mask match.
6) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. © DQ Pirata Morgan & Pirata Morgan Jr. [IWRG IC TAG]
2nd defense. Warrior faked a chair shot from Pirata to draw a DQ.
7) Mr. Electro, Trauma I, Trauma II b Fandango, Villano IV, Villano V Jr.
Straight falls. Electro gave a Villano V Jr. a martinete, and fouled V4 to win, then threatened Villano V Sr.. Fandango’s IWRG debut.

AroLucha announced it’s card for their debut show on 12/10:

AroLucha (SUN) 12/10/2017 Nashville Fairgrounds Sports Arena, Nashville, Tennessee
1) Willie Mack vs Mr. 450
2) Demus vs Máscarita Dorada
3) Keyra & Lacey Lane vs Taya & Vanilla Vargas
4) MVP vs Sammy Guevara
5) Hurricane Helms, Jack Evans, Máximo vs Daga, Garza Jr., La Máscara
6) Pentagon & Rey Mysterio Jr. vs John Morrison & Rush

That’s basically a The Crash show with a few US additions of note instead of the opening match Tijuana guys. Mr. 450/Mack is even a The Crash feud of the moment. It’s not actually a The Crash show though; that promotion hasn’t mentioned this one, and seems to have it’s own plans to run in the US in 2018. Both groups are, at least at the moment, using the same wrestlers and same main creative person behind the scenes, and it’s going to be tough for both of them to enter the market successfully at the same time.

The press release makes no mention of it being a TV taping, but it is listed as one on the ticket website. Most of the matches have someone in them who is currently contracted to Lucha Underground. Either LU’s been really permissive and swift in allowing their guys to work for other promotions when they’re not running, or another show is going to drop. Johnny Mundo seems like he would be one of the very last people to leave abandon Lucha Underground, so this is probably more these guys believe they’re allowed to work this show rather than trying to get out of their LU deals. Still, that press release using the trademarked names “Pentagon” and “John Morrison”, so it’s not a group that has all their legal ducks in a row.

There’s still no mention of when, where or how this show will air. There’s also been almost no promotion of the event before today. I saw many of these guys in The Crash in Mexico, where what they drew varied a lot by the market. I also recall the first few Lucha Underground tapings, with some of these same people, struggled to fill the Temple with free tickets. I don’t know what AroLucha needs to look good on TV (because it’s unlikely they’ll be turning a profit just with any amount of turnout with $10 tickets), but I do they probably need to work on hyping the show locally the next couple weeks.

It’s a weird wrestling word when Johnny Mundo is AAA champion and working a TV taping for Konnan, a guy AAA hates last we knew. It suggests he and Taya would probably be working some The Crash shows if they were legally able to, and might in the future when they are. Taya hasn’t been back to AAA in months, but both sides have been careful to say she’s taking a break, not that she’s out of AAA. I wonder if that might be not long from changing. Angelico has similarly stopped working matches for AAA but said he was done on 01/01; perhaps the foreigner’s deals end at the start of the year? (Then again, AAA doesn’t seem to have any urgency about getting the title from Mundo to anyone else, so he’s got to be around for a while longer. Then again again, it’s AAA so Mundo leaving without ever losing the title would not surprise any outside of AAA.)

There’s nothing great on tonight’s Arena Puebla show. Last week’s started a Rush/Ultimo Guerrero feud, they’re back tonight with Caristico, Mistico, Mascara 2000 and Negro Casas, but they’re still a week or two before the singles match. The semimain has some good people and Pierroth, the tercera looks like the best chance for a good match (Rey Samuray higher than usual) but this looks like an easy to miss show. It’ll air 9pm on CMLL’s YouTube show.

Lineups

CMLL (SAT) 12/02/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Sangre Imperial & Sensei vs Apocalipsis & El Coyote
2) Fiero, Magnus, Robin vs Camorra, Inquisidor, Maquiavelo
3) Oro Jr., Star Jr., Starman vs Hijo del Signo, Metálico, Nitro
4) Eléctrico © vs Pequeño Nitro [MEX LIGHT]
Fourth defense.
5) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón vs Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr., Titán
6) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto

Top matches could be good. Pequeno Nitro’s best chance of winning is it really doesn’t matter who holds that title so it might as well be him. Signo/Starman in the tercera, so that’s a cage match build (and Oro, Star and Nitro are possibilities.)

CMLL (SUN) 12/03/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Magia Blanca & Retro vs Cholo & El Coyote
2) Fiero, Pegasso, Starman vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Templario
3) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Virus
4) Niebla Roja, Titán, Valiente vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Okumura, Pólvora
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

The usual Arena Mexico Sunday show is being pushed out by the international finals of a rap battle, so they go in Coliseo instead. Expect more mask ripping in the second match.

IWRG (SUN) 12/03/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Demonio Infernal vs SkandaLunatic XtremeAlas de AceroAtomic Star
2) Diosa Atenea, Dulce Luna, Lady Cat vs ?, Lili Dark, Ludark Shaitan
3) Aramis, Freelance, Imposible vs Dr. Cerebro, Fandango, Toxin
4) Diablo Jr., Dinamic Black, Emperador Azteca vs Centvrión, Fly Warrior, Séptimo Rayo
5) Sharly Rockstar, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Rokambole Jr., Villano IV, Villano V Jr.
6) Spector & Teelo vs Black Dragón & Rayan and Liderk & Mike [relevos suicidas]
losers face off in a mask/mask match on 12/17
7) Mr. Electro vs Ray Mendoza Jr. [hair]

This is definitely an IWRG show. Main event is Ray Mendoza/Villano V’s first match since that TripleMania match in 2015. That itself was a return out of retirement in 2013, where he ran his own retirement show and said he lost lots of money, and so had to come back out of retirement. The angle certainly suggests someone in the Villano family is avenging Mr. Electro, but it may not be Villano V.

The semimain is only disappointing in that I wish they were doing a trios Comando Elite apuesta match instead of spreading out the (likely) three mask loses over some time.

There’s was a 1999-2000 Rokambole Jr., and my database is going with the idea this is the same guy. It’s probably not the same guy.

Matches 1, 3, and 4 all look good, are all highly unlikely to make TV.

I was going to write “are the women’s matches in IWRG going anywhere?” but it’s IWRG so no one can possibly answer that question.

IWRG Sunday lineup on Monday = no Wednesday show or this is a Wednesday show andI  missed the lineup..