lucha TV preview for weekend of November 30th, 2017

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You have two chances to see Rush/UG this week, but you probably already know that.

AAA starts with the Juarez taping. They split the taping directly in half with the last taping, which would make Dave/Parka the main event this week.

I still have IWRG on there despite having no idea how if I’ll get it. Eh.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-11-06 

an early match highlight!

Recapped: 11/20/17

Matches: 

Lestat, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. beat Fuerza Chicana, Perverso, Policeman
(16:06 [7:08, 5:14, 3:44], 1/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

La Comandante, Reyna Isis, Tiffany beat La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla, Sanely 
(13:39 [5:59, 4:08, 3:32], 2/3, n/r, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

El Malayo, Olímpico, Virus beat Drone, Johnny Idol, Stigma 
(14:56 [7:12, 2:44, 5:00], 1/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Negro Casas beat Volador Jr. in a lightning match
(6:19, casita, good, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Kráneo, Rey Bucanero, Terrible beat Mistico, Niebla Roja, Valiente 
(10:34 [2:10, 2:38, 5:46], 1/3, ok, via 
VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

Negro Casas beating Volador set up a title match the following week.

Thoughts: 

never go casita for casita with Negro Casas

The main was nothing much. A highlight of the first fall was Kraneo covering Valiente for about 10 seconds before Tirantes could be bothered to count. Kraneo inviting himself to Niebla Roja’s pose off at least made Niebla Roja interesting. Roja did more in the Sunday match and that wasn’t a lot. Mistico and Valiente weren’t much in, the rudos bumbled a bit, but this really wasn’t much by main event standards.

In CMLL, you really only can get your finisher once. Negro Casas plays by slightly different rules: you can really only escape the casita once, but he’s going to beat you with it gets another chance. The lightning match was not very long and didn’t have a lot big moves, but it was well worked while it lasted. It’s fun to see Negro Casas in this way, but it’s nothing huge.

Not much to stay about the tercera. The finish of the first fall was built around Drone’s finishing move taking way too long and Johnny Idol not being good, so points for accuracy. Drone using the over the top ramp splash was good. Malayo didn’t stick out in his big opportunity.

The opener went very long, enough for the técnicos to try to have big moments but not enough for them to actually pull them off. Perverso is now looking the best of this rudo batch. Samuray’s springboard fail was sad. The triple finish was a neat idea.

Bucanero summarizes what it feels like to watch this show

IWRG, The Crash, Universo benefit show, Dragon Lee & Titan to ROH

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IWRG FILL (WED) 11/29/2017 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Dinámico, Dranzer, Pumita b Craken, Dragón, Sumed
Craken replaced (?) Crimen.
2) Celestial Boy, Fly Tiger, Voltar b Black Puma, Chicanito, Guerrero 2000
3) Adrenalina, Keshin Black, Power Bull b Dragón Orus, Haziel, Orión
4) Hijo Del Bombero, Kanon, Súper Brazo Jr. b Atomic Star, Dragón Infernal, Leroy
Dragon Infernal replaced Toxin. Atomic Star was hurt.
5) Mike, Rafy, Teelo, Toto b Eterno, Fireman, Ovett, Skanda
Toto replaced Teelo. Fireman replaced Lunatik Extreme.
6) Ángel Drago, Atomic Fly, Cadilac, Cremosito, Death Metal, Marduk, Mr. Snake, Taurino b Alas de Acero, Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Avisman, Black Dragón, Diablo Jr., Lunatik Extreme, Shadow Boy [Copa High Power]
FILL (Black Terry) vs Gym Zeus (Oficial 911). Lunatik Extreme replaced Demonio Infernal. Gym Zeus won via foul but the referee might have seen it and ignored it.

The video feed I was using for IWRG seems to be dead for good. I can pay for something that’ll allow me to at least watch AYM, but I’m not sure if it’ll let me to record or if I want to be paying for IWRG. I might get bored and try to figure it out.

Good video of Flamita/Rey Fenix match from last night’s The Crash show in San Luis Potosi is up on YouTube. La Park/Daga/Penta beat Los Ingobernables in the main event. Please thank the guy who uploaded if you watch it.  I think The Crash has a more entertaining product than AAA and AAA’s TV hasn’t been good, but any TV on Televisa is better than no TV at all. Weak AAA turnouts are still out performing more loaded Crash shows.

The Crash is in Arena Aficion tonight, a DTU co-promoted show. The main event is a four way with Penta, Rush, Garza and La Mascara, with Daga & Fenix vs Black Terry & Solar.

There’s also a show in Arena Coliseo, a benefit show for Universo 2000. He suffered heart problems a few months ago, is doing better, but still needs expensive surgery and this show is to help pay for that. The main event will be his brothers Mascara 2000 & Cien Caras teaming with Satanico against Rayo de Jalisco, Canek and Blue Panther.

CMLL made another couple changes today. Johnny Idol is back on Tuesday after all to follow up on his rudo turn, replacing Negro Casas in the semimain. That puts Idol across from Valiente, who was somehow booked in Mexico and Guadalajara at the same time. Caristico’s heading to Guadalajara now and Mr. Niebla joins him, replacing Rush.

ROH announced Dragon Lee & Titan will team with Flip Gordon to challenge the Young Bucks & Adam Page for ROH six man titles on their 12/15 (Friday) PPV. That match should be pretty good. CMLL’s confirmed Dragon Lee & Titan will be on the TV taping the next day as well, which is being held on the former ECW Arena.

Lucha Memes year end show is 12/25 in Coliseo Coacalco. First match announced

They also posted a video of Gato de Ecatepec Jr., which would lead you to believe he’s coming soon.

Torreon’s Arena La Rosita is closed until March. The promoter says they don’t draw well because it’s too cold (and it’s an outdoor arena.)

CultIcon has a running diary of the CMLL bodybuilding contest. Astral won 10,000 pesos (over $500 USD) for winning Mr. CMLL.

DJ Spectro says Tijuana luchador Indio Toro has passed away.

Guatemalan luchador La Arana passed away a few days ago.

Hijo del Vikingo was the guest on Zona Ruda.

UNAM will have a Santo film festival 12/06 to 12/10.

Maxilar in Tijuana has Alberto el Patron (& Dos Caras & Hijo del Do Caras) vs Dr. Wagner Jr. (& Hijo del Dr. Wagner & Tinieblas) on 12/15.

Segunda Caida reviews Lucha Underground 3×22.

The new episode of Lucha Talk is up.

Lucha de Barrio sent out an interview with Pakal, building up his match with Black Taurus on this most recent episode.

The people behind 126F are doing their own podcast now too. It seems only available on YouTube and isn’t on it’s own playlist, which I do not like, but it seems only 30 minutes long, which I very much like.

Black Terry talks about a dangerous time in lucha in Laredo.

CMLL Domingo Familiares: 2017-11-05 

Soberano

Recapped: 11/20/2017

The CMLL Sunday Arena Mexico is usually not aired, but they make an annual exception for the Dia de los Muertos show.

Matches: 

Oro Jr. & Príncipe Diamante beat Akuma & Espíritu Negro
(10:06 [4:35, 2:07, 3:24], 1/2, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

La Jarochita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely beat Amapola, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
(12:09 [5:14, 3:40, 3:15], 1/3, ok, via 
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado
(10:55 [4:38, 1:58, 4:19], 1/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja beat Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Luciferno
(8:39 [2:39, 1:56, 4:04], 2/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

Carístico, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. beat Ephesto, Kráneo, Mephisto
(13:42 [4:22, 5:19, 4:01], 1/3, ok, via
VideosOficialesCMLL)

What Happened: Matches 3 on are played with Dia de Los Muertos rules.

Espíritu and Oro went to a double pin (so a double pin on back to back shows after none for months.)

Thoughts:

this didn’t seem fun for Jarochita

How many different ways can I say “an average match”?

The main event was rote – if you’ve seen Mephisto & Marco do the height gags, you’ve seen a lot of this – but the only match to really feel like it got a decent amount of time. Soberano & Carístico used it to showoff a bit, and it kind of turned into the best match of the night. Not that means much, this was a match of short fights taking a big backseat to the pageantry, and absolutely none of this is worthwhile seeing after the fact. This main event at least did get the crowd going better than the rest of the card.

The semimain looked like the most promising match on paper but never really got to an interesting level. The Chavez brothers didn’t do much special, the rudos control didn’t last long, and it ended quick. Short matches were the order of the day, and this one didn’t crack 10 minutes.

this did look like fun for Jarochita

Panther matches have a way of just continuing to keep going and eventually getting good for it. This match was a whole bag of nothing for 2.5 falls, and then it got a little bit better for the last few minutes. In no way should this encourage you to watch this show, and it’s just about what you’re going to get with these guys all the time and is pretty much a waste of time, but it didn’t annoy me.

The women’s match fits in the category of matches with few errors but also few moments of actual excitement. They ran thru the usual offense for the usual amount of time and it was alright, I guess. There’s no evolution to these matches, just varying level of performances. It’s a small pool of women, and it sometimes sticks out that they’ve never try any team work spots except for two people doing the same move at the same time. Jarochita and Isis are bad together, though it did lead to Jarochita hitting Isis really hard by accident twice in the last ten seconds. She’s got to get a lot better at the moonsault or has to get rid of the moonsault; no one’s impressed by a crummy looking moonsault in 2017.

The opener was short, but better for it. They had to keep moving. The técnicos got in a few high spots, the rudos didn’t waste too much time, and it didn’t overstay it’s time while still not offering a whole. Oro is usually a level ahead of these guys and didn’t really show much more than the other three, which is not exactly a great thing.

action

AAA on Televisa: 2017-11-04 

 

Rudo double team.

Recapped: 11/19/2017

The first match is from Domo San Luis, San Luis Potosí, San Luis Potosí, taped 10/01/2017. It only aired on stations which get a longer version of the AAA show (and likely aired as part of one of the previous weeks of TV on those channels, only I can’t consistently track down that show.) It has not aired on any regular AAA show and there’s no public explanation or reason why it hasn’t, which is very unusual for a main event of any TV taping. 

The last four matches aired from Palenque de la Feria, Metepec, Estado de México, taped 10/20/2017.

Matches:

Pagano beat El Mesías and Joe Lider in a death match
(10:06, Pagano Air Raid Crash thru a table on fire Joe Lider, below average, via thecubsfan)

Bronco González Jr. & Chicano beat Rugido & Solaris
(6:40, Chicano top rope senton con giro Rugido, good, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Big Mami & Niño Hamburguesa beat La Hiedra & Villano III Jr.
(8:54, Niño Hamburguesa frog splash Villano III, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Angelikal, Hijo Del Vikingo, Lanzeloth beat Ángel Mortal Jr., Australian Suicide, Tiger Boy
(7:52, Lanzeloth spinning fireman’s slam Australian Suicide, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

Dave The Clown, Monsther Clown, Murder Clown beat Dark Cuervo, Dark Scoria, La Parka  
(11:05, Dave frontcracker La Parka, ok, via Lucha Libre AAA)

What happened: 

can you play dead for about 10 seconds for a video package shot, Pagano? Thanks

Earlier in the night, Cuervo & Scoria wanted to talk strategy with La Parka about the main event match, but Parka didn’t want anything with them. Like everyone else who follows this promotion, he never saw these two dudes turn técnico and doesn’t really trust them. He wants them to earn his trust. In one of those remarkable coincidences, they get that chance two seconds later: Psicosis & Histeria attack Parka for no reason and Cuervo & Scoria make the save. That wins Parka over. In the match itself, Los Vipers return to attack the Secta when they have the match won. (Tirantes distracted himself poorly to miss the interference.) Parka stares at the rudos, and gets caught by a frontcracker by Dave the Clown.

Australian Suicide is looking like the lead singer of Green Day now. Tiger Boy is now The Tiger Boy.

The técnicos are mixed tag champs. They pose before the match like the titles are not on the line, but it’s apparently not a title match. La Hiedra is wearing a Sangre Chicana inspired outfit. Hiedra walks out on Villano III for losing the match.

Rugido is another new name for Dizzy, presented as AAA’s new find.

Noti AAA has Dia de los Muertos celebrations and Dr. Wagner Jr. talking about his evolution. They’ve cut back on listing him as “Rey Wagner”, but he still pushes the idea of it here.

a bad idea

I grabbed the Heroes Inmortales off one of the TV internet feeds (and so the video quality is terrible.) It’s also very obviously clipped. The really obvious edit comes about 5:30 into the video, where suddenly a wood board with light tubes and a ladder materialize in the ring. On fan video of the full match (which has since been removed from YouTube but appeared to be close to 30 minutes total), you can see Mesias have trouble folding the ladder, the ladder tipping in the crowd, the fans yelling at Mesias about it and him yelling back. Mesias and Pagano crowd brawl a while later, and it doesn’t seem like the floor camera tries to follow them. The TV version resumes a minute or so after they come back, and Mesias is noticeably limping by that point. There’s more edits after that – a moment where Mesias leaves the ring to yell at fans, fans throw drinks at him, and Mesias goes harder after the fans is also not shown on TV. Same thing with Lider choking Pagano with the barbed wire and a powerbomb on the announce time, Pagano doing a splash to the floor that misses to set up Lider cutting him again, Joe Lider doing an Asia Moosnault, and Mesias taking a splash.

Everyone bleeds. Joe Lider, who seems to have gained a lot of weight lately, takes the Air Raid Crash onto a flaming table. Somehow that’s not the finish – Pagano has to DDT Mesias too, and then covers Joe Lider, who’s grabbing his head and doesn’t actually have his shoulders down. (This is Mesias’ last match for now. In the bigger picture, it comes off like Mesias was probably supposed to be get surgery after TripleMania, was convinced to stick around because they had a shortage of actual Lucha Underground people for the Japan LU shows, and they made this match the main event as a reward while adding Joe Lider just to take the load off. It’s one of many AAA storylines which don’t make sense on screen and only make sense when you guess at what must’ve been going on behind the scenes.)

Thoughts: 

Hijo del Vikingo is still on this show

The main event combined a lot of wrestlers who aren’t all that interesting into one familiar feeling matches. The Traidor Clowns are one of the least capable groups to stooge Parka’s comedy, but they’re doing it all the same anyway. Cuervo & Scoria were occasionally in the match, but this was much more abut the Vipers and Dave/Parka than anything they had to offer.

The third match and the regular tag match shared some energy and the young guys trying to big things. They both had issues with smoothiness – a little bit of people hesitating on moves, or going at the speed they must’ve practiced the spots rather than naturally reacting to what was happening behind them. Hijo del Vikingo still can do some amazing things but didn’t get focused as much as the star in this one as he did in past match. There really wasn’t any particular direction to the match, and there sort of needs to be one in every match when you’ve got so few of them as week. The finish itself didn’t look as strong as a lot of things that came before it, and this came down to a borderline match on my part. The ending looked like it was a screw up – Angel Mortal broke it up just at 3 – and the result didn’t make any sense if Suicide was going to get the title shot on the very next taping. Maybe AAA didn’t know for sure Suicide was challenging next, but they probably still could’ve safer pinned Tiger Boy or Angel Mortal since there’s very obviously no plans for them. The week to week storytelling is abysmal.

The mixed tag is what you’d expect, a lot of Big spots around Mami & Hamburguesa. They did what they do about as well as they ever do. La Hiedra’s offense didn’t look good at all, but it’s not so much of a surprise given who they were working with here. Villano III trying to do tricky armdrags with Big Mami was pushing it. Really, the rudos couldn’t do the comedy stuff well, and they’re not great enough wrestlers themselves to make this work themselves. Villano III was the better of the two at it, but not so much that you need to see it.

Parka as Mistico, the clowns as Avenro & Mephisto, just slower

The actual opener was borderline match. Nothing much stuck out to me but it kept moving for the time they had. Match was pleasantly fine for a novato match except for the spot about four and half in where Chicano and Solaris were hopelessly lost for about 10 seconds. These aren’t really novatos though; Rugido’s been around forever and Chicano’s not a spring chicken, but they’re being given novato amount of things to do. Bronco is one of their better bases of this group, and so it wasn’t probably an accident he was around to make Rugido’s iffy spots look good. Not sure why you’d make that effort and also have him lose in his debut but so it goes.

The three way match combined the mindless violence of a poor hardcore match with the directionless violence of a bad three way match. We saw an XMW three way hardcore match live, everyone but me seemed to hate it (I just didn’t care enough to hate it, a personal flaw) and I’m not sure it was any worse than this. This was Mesias’ last match before going in for double knee surgery, and he’s moving erratically and painfully for most of the match. The editing definitely hurts the match – it seemed as much for time as content. I’d be livid if I was one of these guys who took all this abuse, very few people got to see it on TV, and more than half the crazy stuff I did wasn’t shown at all. That just shouldn’t be happening in 2017. (A lot of this shouldn’t be happening in 2017.) Even the stuff we did get on TV was made worse by how it was presented; the crowd was much more into Pagano in the match live than it came thru.

This match brings back the old DTU tradition of putting barbed wire on one side of the ring, and everyone (mostly Lider) stopping short of hitting the ropes for no logical reason. That draws snickers from the fan cam I watched, for this super serious death match they’re trying to do. This match is not something I want to see at all, but they also managed to make the least of it.

CMLL Bodybuilding contest, Rush vs UG (and also UG vs Rush), Shocker, Crash in SLP

CMLL (TUE) 11/28/2017 Arena México [CMLL, Wrestling With GIFS]
1) Artillero & Espanto Jr. b Bengala & Sonic LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Magia Blanca, Star Jr., Starman DQ Disturbio, Sangre Azteca, Templario LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Blue Panther Jr., Drone, The Panther b Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Tiger LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Vangellys b Pólvora [lightningLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Ephesto, Luciferno, Okumura b Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr., Valiente LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Johnny Idol and Valiente had problems, and Idol helped the rudos by the end of the match.
6) Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero DQ Mistico, Rush, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 28 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Rush fouled UG and challenged him to a match (for the second show in a row!)

If you’re keeping up, that means UG and Rush challenged for a match on Monday and for Tuesday. Both will occur: Guerrero defends the NWA Middleweight Championship on Monday, then they meet again on Tuesday.

This fits along CMLL’s new Twitter accounts, in a fashion. There’s new ones split by arena: @Arena_MX, @Arena_Coliseo, @Arena_GDL, and @Arena_Puebla. All the information you’re using to seeing on the @CMLL_Oficial account will still be there, with the idea that a fan living in Puebla could more simply just follow only that specific account if they just wanted to see those lineups. They’ve also been doing the Arena Mexico/Arena Coliseo results on the arena specific twitter accounts and just RT-ing those on the main one. If you’re already following the main twitter account and you like what you’ve been getting, you don’t really need to change anything. If you want less but more specific, you can follow one of the other accounts instead.

CMLL is doing this, like they’re doing Rush/UG back to back nights, because they believe the vast majority of the audience are people who follow CMLL by attending their local buildings and might not be interested in anything else that happens at any other building or even any other day of the week. Rush and Ultimo Guerrero can – and probably will, given those two – work largely the same match on Tuesday as they will on Monday because they’ll feel most of the people one day won’t have seen it the next. There have been stories over the years that generally back up that idea – there was one after CMLL cut back on running Arena Coliseo where fans were disappointed, because  they were going to Coliseo because it was right in the neighborhood and weren’t interested in making a trip elsewhere.

What’s changed is CMLL has a pretty active YouTube account. I don’t know how much they actually make from it, and I suspect it’s not all that much if it’s a positive cash flow at all. It’s existence means there’s more people watching pretty much every Arena Puebla show live online than there are in the building Monday nights, and there’s probably more people watching every Tuesday Arena Mexico live show online than who will have an actual ticket stub. (And it’s likely not even close.) Lucha libre is better live, so people who are spending their time watching on the internet must like it more than most, yet CMLL (and all lucha libre promotions) don’t do all that much to take advantage of it. and usually just hand waves at their existence by doing stuff like booking the same matches on back to back shows, or by hyping a book release that will be unavailable over the internet. It’s great that we get to watch a lot of free CMLL on a weekly basis (or have the option to pick which things we actually want to watch), but it feels like something CMLL puts a lot of effort into something for an audience they’re not all that concerned about cultivating. I want to say “if you’re going to bother streaming, then maybe make it worthwhile” but maybe the other fair response is “maybe it’s not good for you to be streaming all this much if you’re going to repeat so many matches.” I struggle at understanding the long term end goals for a lot in lucha libre, and CMLL’s digital strategy is just one other thing on the list.

 

Johnny Idol definitely turned rudo last night. He’s on the tecnico side on Saturday and not booked in Arena Mexico next week, and I’m not sure why you’d do this without having him booked to follow up. I’m not sure Idol is any good as a rudo but it wasn’t working out as a tecnico.

I missed it with the Dragon Rojo changes, but Zeuxis is also off Friday’s CMLL show. La Seductora takes her spot. Zeuxis was already booked for Monterrey’s LLF, where she’ll face Diosa Quetzal.

I didn’t have much time to watch the Bodybuilding Contest today. They did have Virus out showing off his trainees (they’ve been Arkangel or Tony Salazar ones in previous years.) The top three in each division

Micros: Angel (debuting), Chico Temido, Microman
Students: Angel del Amor, Mosca, Kroc
Principiante: Soberano Jr., Sangre Imperial, Coyote
Intermediate: Niebla Roja, Titan, Cuatrero
Women: Dalys, Sanely, Princesa Sugehit
Advanced: Astral, Electrico, Principe Diamante

Astral was once again the overall winner after not placing last year. Dalys won for the third year straight, fourth overall. Principe Diamante had won in the beginners or intermediate division for the last three years.

The Crash returns to San Luis Potosi tonight. They’ve drawn one really big crowd and one really not big crowd. They’re running in the normal lucha arena of Auditorio Miguel Barrgan with LA Park debuting for the group, teaming with Daga & Penta vs La Mascara, Pierroth and Rush. Fenix & Flamita will have another rematch as the semimain. Video turned up of the last couple shows in San Luis Potosi so there’s a chance we could see this.

Shocker went on Mexican TV show Ventaneando to explain his version of his recent arrest. Shocker says he went out drinking with other wrestlers after a show. His wife has told him not to come home when he’s been drinking, so he got a hotel room. (Shocker here admits he’s had a problem with drinking.) Shocker fell asleep, work up, and figured he had time for more drinking. As he was going back to his room again afterwards, he felt someone following into his room, so he “defended” himself, including using a fire extinguisher. He says there was no sex worker involved. The one point of agreement with the original story was he ended up paying around 20,000 pesos for damages, down from the 30,000 they originally wanted. I’m not sure if I believe Shocker’s story, but even his own story is a sad tale of a guy who can’t stop himself from picking drinking over his family.

Elite announced their second show will be 12/08 in Cuauitlan. Tickets for their first show are running 120 to 380 pesos, or about $20USD for the high end.

Deadspin has an interview with Cody (Rhodes) about his and the Young Bucks plan to run an indie show that will break the 10,000 mark. Cody mentions there’s a plan to include lucha libre on the show but didn’t mention any specifics. Cody was evasive earlier when answering if it’ll be a ROH show, where they’re all currently employed. It might be better for them it not to be a ROH affiliation would prevent them them from using guys like Fenix and Penta (or even more out of the box guys like Santo & LA Park.) It’s unclear what ROH can and can not actually do as far as other using lucha libre talent when it comes to their alliances with NJPW & CMLL, but it’s not an obstacle at all if they run it without a ROH affiliation. That’s a small factor in a bigger deal (and if the only way they can get key NJPW people is by labeling it as ROH, then that’s the deal to make) and this show still seems a long way away from happening.

(I think Lucha Azteca is possibly seen weekly by more people than Lucha Underground, but it definitely hasn’t had the same success at making big US names for either the Mexican or US audiences, and ROH itself hasn’t made any great strides in getting anyone but slightly Dragon Lee and Ultimo Guerrero over with their audience. Cycling around with different CMLL names is giving more guys a cool weekend here or there but not helping in getting anyone or the concept over. Building those CMLL guys into bigger names could be done, and they’re probably attracting an even more different audience than the LU guys because of the lack of cross over, but it’s not like the CMLL guys are filling up rooms when they’re working locally promoted lucha indies right now. The real solution is for CMLL & Crash to actually make a deal to let CMLL guys work on shows with The Crash guys – CMLL has specifically told them they can’t in the past – because that would open a lot doors and improve situations more than in just a one off novelty show.)

Rush and HIjo del Fantasma said things to each other on Twitter. This is being used to sell the idea of a CMLL/AAA show, which still isn’t happening.

DTU has a promo from Billy Gamer. He & Toto Gamer are debuting tag team Game Over on their next set of shows.

Periodco La Voz has interviews with Estrellato & Rey Astral.

A story about a lucha libre (and music and art) show in Tepito as diversion from crime is getting picked up in a lot of places.

Lineups

CMLL (MON) 12/04/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Centella Roja & Hijo de Centella Roja vs Fuerza Chicana & Guerrero Espacial
2) Espíritu Maligno, Millenium, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Cancerbero, El Perverso, Raziel
3) Esfinge, Fuego, Stigma vs Cuatrero, Hechicero, Sansón
4) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
5) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Sam Adonis
6) Último Guerrero © vs Rush [NWA MIDDLE]
14th defense.

Beyond the title match, the tercera could be pretty good.

CMLL (TUE) 12/05/2017 Arena México
1) Sangre Imperial & Sensei vs El Coyote & Espanto Jr.
2) Fiero, Oro Jr., Starman vs Hijo del Signo, Nitro, Raziel
3) Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Disturbio, Tiger, Universo 2000 Jr.
4) Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr., Titán vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
5) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas, Okumura, Sam Adonis
6) Rush vs Último Guerrero

Okumura seems like he’s in a higher position than he used to be, but it might just be about keeping the NGD together. Their match looks the bet on the show. Second match has at least four feuding people (Starman, Fiero, Signo, Raziel) in the lead up to the cage match.

CMLL (TUE) 12/05/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Magnum & Tigre Blanco vs Frezzer & Furia Roja
2) Lady Maravilla, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Dalys, Reyna Isis, Zeuxis
3) Puma © vs Esfinge [OCCIDENTE LH]
2nd defense
4) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
5) Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr., Valiente vs Kráneo, Pierroth, Rush

I’m about as big a supporter of Puma as you’ll find, but I’d be very surprised if he kept the title over Esfinge. The Guadalajara native more or less has replaced Gallo as the strongest push local and might as well have a title belt if that’s how they’re going to be it. In reality, it matters not at all if it’s Felino’s son or Magnum’s son who has this title, because CMLL’s been pretty clear none of the Occidente Championships are all that important

Occidente last CMLL defense:
Heavyweight (Diamante Azul): May 6, 2014
Light Heavyweight (Puma King): March 13, 2016
Middleweight (Joker): June 25, 2017
Welterweight (Star Black): September 25, 2016
Tag Team (Esfinge & Rielero): July 16, 2017*
Trios (NGD): March 12, 2017*
* – also had a later indy defense

I’d like to be upset about Efinge being gifted a title thru nepotism, but it’s so pointless when half the titles haven’t even been defended this year. The upside is there’s a decent chance we get a Puma three falls singles match on TV.

great match roundup, week of 2017-10-28

Soberano

in this group

I’m so far thrown off that I started working on the 10/31 recap again before realizing I had to have posted that one. There’s a lot of disposable CMLL b-show matches going on; note only one recommended match this week, and only two last week. It’s not getting better.

MOTYC list is updated.

Recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Diamante Azul vs MisticoSoberano Jr.ValienteCuatreroForasteroHechiceroSansón [Rey del Inframundo] LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
good Rey Wagner vs Johnny Mundo © for the AAA World Heavyweight Championship Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Johnny Mundo vs Rey Wagner por el Mega Campeonato AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-28 2017-10-01
good Lady Maravilla vs Zeuxis in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
good Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Puma, Tiger, Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
good Dalys © vs Marcela for the CMLL World Women’s Championship LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03

Other matches

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Argenis vs LanzelothRicky MarvinAvernoChessmanSúper FlyTito SantanaMocho Cota Jr.Carta Brava Jr.RaptorDragoAerostar [domed cage] Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) OGT´S vs Poder del Norte vs Ejercito AAA vs Cadetes del Espacio en el Domo de la Muerte (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-28 2017-10-01
ok Astral vs Virus in a lightning match LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Rey Cometa vs Olímpico, Pólvora, Sagrado LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. vs Hechicero, Kráneo, Rey Bucanero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Ephesto, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
ok Flyer & Magia Blanca vs Apocalipsis & Cholo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Eléctrico, Shockercito, Stukita vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pierrothito LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado Disturbio Cmll, Sagrado y Misterioso Jr vs The Panther, Blue Panther Jr y Jhony Idol. 1a caída (posted by Princesa Dorada) Disturbio Cmll, Sagrado y Misterioso Jr vs The Panther, Blue Panther Jr y Jhony Idol. 2a y 3a caidas (posted by Princesa Dorada) LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Soberano Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 31 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-31 2017-10-31
ok Astral & Robin vs Artillero & Espanto Jr. LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
ok Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
ok Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 3 DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on ClaroSports.com: 2017-11-03 2017-11-03
below average Johnny Mundo © vs La ParkaRey EscorpiónPsycho ClownHijo del FantasmaHernandezPsicosis IIMambaMurder ClownDark CuervoMonsther ClownDark ScoriaEstrella DivinaHisteria IIMarty MartinezPimpinela EscarlataDave The Clown for the AAA Latin American Championship and for the Copa Antonio Pena Héroes Inmortales XI Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Octubre 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Lucha por la Copa Antonio Peña y el Campeonato Latinoamericano AAA (posted by Estrellas del Ring) AAA on Televisa: 2017-10-28 2017-10-01
not rated Millenium & París vs El Perverso & King Jaguar LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30
not rated Espíritu Maligno & Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Cancerbero & RazielLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-10-30 2017-10-30

CMLL on ClaroSports: 2017-11-03 

Zombie Casas

Recapped: 11/18-19/2017

Matches: 

Astral & Robin beat Artillero & Espanto Jr.
(10:44 [4:20, 2:27, 3:57], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa beat Puma, Tiger, Virus
(15:10 [5:40, 2:28, 7:02], 2/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker beat Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr.
(13:30 [3:54, 5:01, 4:35], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dalys © beat Marcela for the CMLL World Women’s Championship
(15:12, good, VideosOficialesCMLL)

Sansón defeated Diamante Azul, Mistico, Soberano Jr., Valiente, Cuatrero, Forastero, Hechicero, for the Rey del Inframundo championship
(31:19, great via VideosOficialesCMLL)

  1. Valiente Indian Deathlock Forastero (06:07)
  2. Hechicero Magia Negra Valiente (10:15)
  3. Diamante Azul German suplex Hechicero (11:26)
  4. Cuatrero springboard splash Diamante Azul (14:41)
  5. Sansón Torture Rack Bomb Mistico (18:28)
  6. Soberano Fire Driver Cuatrero (20:56)
  7. Sansón super Torture Rack Bomb (31:19)

Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero beat Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr.
(3:53 [1:58, 1:55], 1/2 DQ, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

What happened: 

Sanson plancha

This is the first of the three Dia de Los Muertos show.

From the third match on, the losers of the match are dragged to hell ( a side exit) by painted up soldiers of hell. The gods of hell pose and pace on top of the stage for the matches – they appear to be played by Dalys and Rush this year. La Catrina (Gaby Bau) introduces the segment. The rudos and the edecanes are face painted up like calavera skeletons, though the wrestlers are also generally wearing glow in the dark body suits rather than being mostly painted like in previous years. The referees are half wearing makeup (as impartiality?) the matches are wrestled under a purple light, which makes it hard to watch.

The artists are honored before that part of the show starts.

Volador is the least into this concept of anyone on the whole show. Carístico also has a Pennywise thing going (plus a baby), so now the Misticos even cosplay the same. Rush trips and falls coming out, but just goes with it and slides to a pose to unmask.

Rush playing it cool

Rush fouled UG in the middle of the técnico comeback, ending the match quickly. The guardians of hell attack the Guerreros instead of the losing técnicos, and carry them out – I guess the idea Rush is still in charge. After the rudos are away, Volador and Rush unmask Carístico. Rush holds up the Ingobernables fist for Volador, and a makes it very clear to the fans what he’s doing. Volador is not committal, and Rush tells him to think about and leaves. The Guardians come for Carístico too after the other técnicos leave.

Soberano comes out in a tope hat and suit for the Rey del Inframundo. Diamante Azul has a Dia de Muertos version of his mask. Valiente dresses like normal. Mistico dresses like Pennywise from IT. The rudos are all wearing Dia de Muertos affected masks. Sides are técnicos vs rudos. Instead of the usual referees at ringside to keep everyone from getting involved, the Hell soldiers circle ringside to take the eliminated people away. It’s not quite a lumberjack feel but it leaves a lot of extra people hanging around.

Marcela tried running out the front of of Arena Mexico after she’s lost the title match, but gets captured and brought back. In general, the luchadors are much more aggressive at fighting back this year but not any more successful.

Thoughts: 

Esfinge thought something else was happening 

An ok rating for the main event was generous; it wasn’t really long enough to be anything either way. These main events after a big cibernetico or a little match can’t help but feel anticlimatic, and the only real effort was to get the match over as quick as possible. The show felt like it was over when they did the big Rush/Volador angle. Not in a way where it felt like a surprise, but more in a way where I think most people were probably turning to leave and missed it.

The Rey Inframundo was a worthwhile addition to the collection of big Sansón/Soberano matches in 2017 which also had a good cibernetico before it. They went 10:23 on their own, which was just about as long as Forastero & Valiente were in the match at all. That was far more time than I was expecting, and really gave the an opportunity to get a lot of close calls in before the finish. (Even knowing who won, I thought the superbomb set up was it, only for them to go about five minutes before.) They seemed to have less issues than the other big matches, and Sansón got to look as impressive as his técnico opponent while also finally getting the big win. The entire bit with the last four was really good too. This was an anti-Mistico crowd, but not due to his performance, looking spectacular and unjustly eliminated early.

The opening of the match thru Forastero’s elimination was the bit of craziness I look for in these ciberneticos. It slowed down a bit after there for a while. Hechicero and Diamante Azul had no chemistry together in their sequence. Diamante Azul looked more impressive in his run on his own against everyone, but still not smooth. His offense looked impressive, but I was happy hew as getting it all in, because it obviously meant it would be gone.

Puma forearm

The camerawork wasn’t strong here, with the director having not idea where to shoot when Forastero got eliminated (which might have been audio cue issue too) and missed Mistico’s ramp dive. Cuatrero and Soberano having big standoffs is not the time to cut to the stage or flashing lights. There were too many distractions for a crew that has trouble staying on target to begin with, but they generally settled down and we got the shots of the big moves late.

The women’s title match had a lot of action the whole way thru. I don’t want to say it had too much action, but did felt like they were at the same level of action from the start. It was like they went to third fall finishing sequences from early on, with the first fall ending with the sort of cradles reveals that might end a match, and everything just staying on the same note from there. Dalys was trying a lot of stuff she doesn’t normally do – the Misterioso style inverted bodyslam, the running Gory Special, and springboard dropkick stuck out as different – which helpfully filled the space. Just sprinting from the start is no problem, but they couldn’t help it form feeling like one of those matches that just went back and forth randomly without any move from either women really giving them a sense of control. This was about as good as match as they’re going to get without a story deeper than “we’re really evenly matches.” Dalys wasn’t even working much of a ruda. This was a great performance in terms of action (up until Dalys blew her finish), probably the best they’ve had of this match up, but I’d really like a new dimension to it.

The third match was the first with the special effects for Dia de Muertos, and probably benefited from it the most. It made the match harder to see, but easier to distract from the generic content. The técnicos did their usual offense, so did Cavernario & Casas, and Shocker was also there. It didn’t have much of a direction – the rudos just won the second fall out of nowhere, there wasn’t a strong comeback, and they just kept doing stuff until it was time to go home. The million cuts to the people on the stage only helped to make it feel more like something was happening. It was not horrible – Shocker’s count of Stuka’s plancha was horrible – but it was just there.

Cometa diving headscissors + superkick

The first two falls were the usual standard but satisfactory stuff from the Puma/Tiger/Cometa/Drone level crew. It really accelerates to something special as the third fall goes on, with action flying by and some well timed moments and twists on usual stuff (adding the superkick to Cometa’s headscissors was neat.) The double elimination spot really felt like when they were onto something, and this wasn’t far off from a higher grade. I’m not sure if I appreciate these guys as much as I should because I’m seeing them so often, and I kind of wonder if they’d just shock everyone if you dropped this same exact trios on a ROH PPV or something. Esfinge was the weak link here, with the laughable miscommunication miss in the first fall and wildness later on, but that wildness let to Puma just laying him out a couple times and I’m cool with that. Rey Cometa’s age and style sure would suggest he should be slowing down by now, and maybe he needs to join Pegasso and drop the 450, but he’s mostly still looks as athletic as ever and has gotten smoother somehow. I’m not sure if this would be the best singles match version of Rey Cometa but he’s excellent in trios nowadays.

The opener was a very average opening match. CMLL either needs to let Super Comando back in or let Artillero go, they’re both not as good along as they were with each other. Espanto Jr. is no Super Comando and not a great rudo, standing passively to set up técnico moves and showing no great aggression on his own. Astral & Robin tried to do things that probably looked cooler in their heads than they did for the rest of us in execution; the first fall finish seemed to a big set up that didn’t really pay off.

Dalys springboard dropkick

Rush/UG set up in Puebla, Tuesday preview

Robin

CMLL (MON) 11/27/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, Efekto10]
1) Espíritu Maligno, Meyer, Vega b Joker, King Jaguar, Sombra Diabólika LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Black Tiger, Oro Jr., Robin b Arkángel de la Muerte, Policeman, Rey Apocalipsis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) El Malayo, Felino, Misterioso Jr. b Blue Panther Jr., Rey Samuray, The Panther LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Pierroth b Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Carístico, Mistico, Rush b Máscara Año 2000, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 27  DE NOVIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Mr. Niebla replaced Negro Casas. Straight falls. Rush pinned Ultimo Guerrero and then challenged him to a title match because he likes fighting him. Rush teased making it a hair match later on, which UG was enthusiastic about.

Not much talk about this show. The main event marked Mascara 2000’s 40th year as a wrestler, which CMLL uses a lead in to promote Thursday’s Universo 2000’s benefit show. I guessed CMLL would just make UG/Rush non-title to avoid the silliness about them both being way over the weight limit (and it’s not likely the title would be changing hands anyway), but CMLL’s not bothered by that silliness all that much.

Not a lot going on with Tuesday’s card. CMLL’s preview has Misterioso and Sagrado as the main photo. (They team with Tiger face the Panthers & Drone.) It’s strange Misterioso, the guy who’s been unmasking tecnicos after most every match for months, isn’t yet part of the upcoming cage match. Misterioso seems to have been trying to make his own thing happen, but CMLL could at least take advantage and throw him and The Panther in there.

The main event is Mistico, Rush and Volador versus Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero and Negro Casas. That sounds good, but Tuesday main events are rather quick. Johnny Idol, Stuka and Valiente face Ephesto, Luciferno and Okumura in the semimain. Last week, Ephesto fouled Stuka. They’re matched up again this week. That might be a feud they’re building, though Stuka & Ephesto rarely get singles matches without a bigger star also being involved.

Polvora vs Vangellys is an odd lightning match. The segunda has Templario & Magia Blanca making an appearance. Sonic is in the opener. The show will air on YouTube on 7:30pm.

Dragon Rojo is off the shows this week, after being injured in Friday’s match. He wrote on twitter that he doesn’t know how long he’ll be out. Sanson, the runner up in the Copa Junior Nuevo Valores, has been added to the Copa Junior VIP. Shocker takes Dragon Rojo’s place on Sunday.

Entry to CMLL’s bodybuilding contest will be free on Wednesday (with identification.) There’s usually a “bring a ticket stub” sort of deal, but they’re not even doing that much. They haven’t mentioned if it’ll be streaming. I assume it will be, but it jumped out to me that they aren’t moving Informa from 4pm, and they’d normally do that if they’re streaming something earlier.

There’s been a lack of CMLL hype for the bodybuilding contest this year compared to the past ones, which would be the 11th one since they restarted them. There was one article on the website and occasionally mentions, but not treated like a major event as it sometimes has been. Every so often this year, I’ll see a stray reference to new or different people running CMLL – Dr. Alfonso Morales said something along those lines in a usual How Can We Fix CMLL column (answer: get decent TV) – but no one ever really says what those differences are (Sofia Alonso?) and the finished product hasn’t changed all that much. CMLL playing down the bodybuilding contest would be a notable change.

Squared Circle Siren reports Lucha Underground officials will be at the RISE wrestling shows this weekend, scouting for female wrestlers for the Season 4. People with the show have told the story of going to Stardom US shows prior to Season 2, and offering deals to many women they saw wrestle at those shows. No idea if it’ll be that numerous this time, but it’s make sense if someone from those shows ended up getting signed (and we might find out what they’re actually promising about Season 4 and contracts.)

Tickets for AAA’s 12/09 benefit show are on sale; they’re running from 185 to 597MX ($10-$32US)

Sexy Dulce and Diosa Quetzal’s match from nine days ago is suddenly getting noticed, because a video showing Quetzal kneeing Dulce in the face and Sexy fighting back went viral. It’s one clip from a longer match (the guy who originally posted it put up in four parts because why make things easy to watch), where Dulce had been hitting Quetzal hard and Quetzal’s knee was more fighting back.

I’m not up for another cycle of “Dulce Garcia: worst person ever or angel from heaven persecuted by meanies” – this thing has been around for a couple days but I ignored it till it reached Twitter. Even then I completely regret paying any attention to it. This is a match on a show with no TV, in a promotion that irregularity runs, the person everyone thought was crazy is still thought to be crazy. There’s nothing new here except car crash video to gawk at, and the people who enable here are going to keep on doing it.

The difference between now and AAA is she’s still pretty popular in Monterrey but completely be irrelevant outside it. She’ll be back booked everywhere again eventually, because wrestling people can’t help themselves when it comes to people they believe are stars, and no amount of social media anger about what she’s doing now is going to change that. People there say Sexy Star was acting unprofessional, and she definitely was if this wasn’t the plan, but I think acting unprofessional at times is also her implicit gimmick at this point – she’s some Mexican warped boxing version of a Japanese wrestler who’s building her name by shooting on people in matches to prove she’s the real legit one. Maybe one days he’ll pay this off by doing the MMA match she’s occasionally teasing, but she’s right now a highly paid oddity on the fringes of lucha libre who’s not worthy of any of the attention people are giving her today. Save your anger for when she’s inevitably booked by the big promotions again.

(The only real lesson here is Diosa Quetzal seems to end up in situations that get attention; she was one of the dozens of anonymous luchadoras in Mexico City just a couple years ago, and now is getting put in singles matches with Diosa Quetzal because people have been convinced she’s a star. I don’t think she’s good, I know that people will rush to tell you that she’s definitely not good at wrestling whenever she comes up, but she’s getting booked around the country because she marketed herself well and got herself on a TV show. Convincing people, be it fans or promoters, that you’re Actually A Big Deal is as important part of a wrestling career as what you do in in the ring, but most people don’t seem to put much effort in it.)

In an interview in Mazatlan, Mistico says he won’t put up his name against Caristico – he’s feels he’s the rightful Mistico right now anyway, why should he have to give it up – but would be open to a singles match.

Maxilar in Tijuana will have Alberto vs Dr. Wagner on 12/15.

+LuchaTV’s 50th podcast has Ciberentico as a guest.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania and the latest Lucha Report.

The Global Revolucion podcast talks some CMLL & IWRG matches and I will link to any podcast that goes down the IWRG rabbit hole.

Lineups

IWRG FILL (WED) 11/29/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Crimen, Dragón, Sumed vs Dianmico, Dranzer, Pumita
2) Celestial, Fly Tiger, Voltar vs Black Puma, Chicanito, Guerrero 2000
3) Dragón Orus, Haziel, Orión vs Adrenalina, Keshin Black, Power Bull
4) Hijo Del Bombero, Kanon, Súper Brazo Jr. vs Atomic Star, Leroy, Toxin
5) Leo, Mike, Rafy, Teelo vs Eterno, Lunatik Xtreme, Ovett, Skanda
6) Alas de Acero, Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Avisman, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Diablo Jr., Shadow Boy vs Ángel Drago, Atomic Fly, Cadilac, Cremosito, Death Metal, Marduk, Mr. Snake, Taurino [Copa High Power]
Black Terry students vs Oficial 911 students

There is a Wednesday show, a trainee one. They posted it over the weekend and I missed it.

new lucha videos for the weekend of November 25th, 2017

AAA didn’t air anything that didn’t air on the web version (but maybe the long version gets the Shani/Venus match next week.) Only one IWRG show this week, and the feed was down all of Monday.

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-11-25
taped 2017-11-17 @ Arena México – Mega
1) Blue Panther Jr., Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther vs Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
2) Solar I & Súper Astro vs Black Terry & Virus
4) Dos Caras Sr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr., Villano IV vs Canek, Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-11-25
taped 2017-11-21 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – YouTube/Mega
1) Drone, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Puma, Sagrado
2) Dragón Lee vs Cavernario
3) Soberano Jr., Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis