The Crash: 2017-07-14

blind tope

Recapped: 10/16/2017

All matches taped from Auditorio de Tijuana on 07/14/2017.

Starting with this group, I’m watching The Crash matches via Konnan’s Patreon. These matches are single cam handheld versions. They’re inside the guardrail and so can follow the action a lot better when it moves it around, but it’s not what you’d expect from a normal promotion. The later ones are from are closer to pro shot and easily worth the $5/month fee, these handhelds are more arguable. I was really tired of looking at the back of people’s heads so this worked for me.

The Santo/Daga vs Garza/Maximo video did not seem to work, so that one I watched elsewhere. You probably don’t need to make that effort.


Arkángel Divino, Black Boy, Último Panda beat Eli Everfly, Famous B, Último Maldito
(14:13, Arkangel Divino 450 splash Eli Everfly, good, via Patreon

Oráculo & Serpentico beat Black Danger & Jonathan
(7:58, DQ for Black Danger unmasking Oraculo, ok, via Patreon

Rey Horus & The King beat Hanson & Raymond Rowe and Sami Callihan & Shane Strickland
(20:32, The King Mexican Destroyer Raymond Rowe, good, via Patreon)

Jack Evans beat Bestia 666 in a super libre match
(13:51, Jack Evans backslide, good via Patreon)

Garza Jr. & M-ximo beat Daga & Santo Jr.
(17:34, DQ when Garza faked a foul, below average, via

Penta Zero M beat La Máscara, Jeff Cobb, Marty Scurll
(11:58, Pentagon package piledriver Marty Scurll, good, via Patreon)

What happened:

Danger & Oraculo talked up their mask match after Black Danger unmasked Oraculo. Garza messed with Daga a bit. Jack and Bestia continued towards their mask match, but there weren’t much in the way of angles on this one.


Cobb is strong

The main event was more of an all star match than one with a lot of seriousness. Everyone did their own taunt, and then later someone else’s taunt. That sort of thing. They did well enough in what they did but no one felt at the top of their game. The crowd liked the novelty of seeing Scurll and he gave them enough for his signature spots that I think they were satisfied. Penta needing a foul after a long ref bump was weird, and he came off more rudo-ish than normal.

not even close
Garza and Maximo seem to be done with him at this point

Nieto del Santo isn’t any good. Maybe he’ll get there some day, but he doesn’t appear close in the semifinal. There’s a lot of stalling and fooling around here, and it comes off as if they knew they had to get around the handicap of having someone not ready for this position. Maybe it was nerves, because he looked better in his previous match in TJ, and here he was messing up stuff in embarrassing fashion. The crowd turns on him halfway thru. The other three tried, but it wasn’t working – Daga messed up his own submission on his first try, and the referee died for about a minute and a half before getting up and calling the DQ. Go out of your way not to see this one.

balance on that rail doesn’t seem easy
Oraculo probably regretting a decision he made

The super libre match took advantage of the stipulation to do something different with the weapons and the interference. It came off as a serious personal rivalary, even with the interference. Oraculo’s overshot dive looked like it really sucked for him. The finishing reversals were a nice touch.

pizza DDT
surprised Fenix didn’t go thru the buckle somehow

I liked the three way tag, but I’m guessing not as much as others. The first half seemed off with me, lacking impact at points. Strickland & Horus had an early exchange that seemed more like a dance than a fight, War Machine would set up for a hard hitting move that wouldn’t end up that hard, it just kind of seemed like a b-night. It got better and they did so much that it was hard to deny it, and the crowd obviously liked it enough to toss money in. Fenix & Horus had some good work together and Strickland looked good. It was not my favorite match even as I knew it was a good one.

this looked better at least

The 2v2 segunda didn’t really work. The start was hot, but the two teams didn’t have great chemistry with each other. Jonathan especially didn’t mesh well with the Florida team, with some bumpy looking action. The action itself didn’t particularly work for the match. I couldn’t remember which guy was feuding with Black Danger until the finish, because they didn’t really push the 1v1 rivalry during the match. It was a lot of everyone doing stuff.

Arkangel and Ultimo Maldito still can do their thing well
poor B
Panda legdrop

The opener was a lot of Último Maldito & Arkangel Divino doing their usual bits with the other four around them. Último Panda obviously stood out. The comedy was good, and it’s nice to have something slightly different on this shows (which often feel like six attempts at the same style of match with different levels of success), but it did feel like it went a long time without anyone else getting involved. It definitely worked as an opening match bit and the crowd got into him as a character more than anyone else. Eli was the other new guy here, who’s done well elsewhere but didn’t totally stick out here. I think he does better later on.

Ricky Marvin out of AAA, The Crash plans, LU contracts

a win

CMLL (MON) 10/30/2017 Arena Puebla [CMLL, EfektoWrestling With GIFs]
1) El Perverso & King Jaguar b Millenium & París LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Cancerbero & Raziel b Espíritu Maligno & Tigre Rojo Jr. LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
3) Virus b Astral [lightningLA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4) Olímpico, Pólvora, Sagrado b Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, Rey Cometa LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. b Hechicero, Kráneo, Rey Bucanero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
6) Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. b Cavernario, Ephesto, Mephisto LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 30  DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)

This show didn’t sound good outside of Soberano’s performance. The Voldaor/Cavernario stuff last week wasn’t followed up on.

There’s not a lot more interesting coming on today’s Arena Mexico show. CMLL hypes it as the last show of the month and the last show before Dia de Muertos, which is not an exactly exciting sell. The most interesting match is probably a seven minute one, as Zeuxis faces Lady Maravilla. Maravilla had good performances before coming to CMLL, but has only shown a little of it since her debut. Facing Zeuxis is her best opportunity to do a little more.

Last week was the Niebla Roja/Cavernario title match, and there’s no other new big story here yet. Sunday’s regular lineup says CMLL feels no urgency to have big main events for the Dia del Muertos show, so I would not expect anything big there. The main event is Hijos del Infierno vs Angel de Oro, Marco Corleone, and Niebla Roja. Soberano is back, teaming with Panther, Guerrero Maya against Rey Bucanero, Terrible and Vangellys. The Panther Brothers team with Johnny Idol versus Sagrado, Disturbio and Misterioso. The show has a minis match with Electrico, Shockercito, Stukita versus Mercurio, Pequeno Olimpico and Pierrothito and opens with Flyer & Magia Blanca & Apocalipsis & Cholo.

Again, the show will be an hour later – 8:30pm – this one time only.

CMLL & ROH announced Esfinge & Rey Cometa are working the ROH 11/17 San Antonio and 11/18 Dallas Survival of the Fittest shows. Misterioso & The Panther worked these shows last year.

Naito is teasing the idea of visiting Mexico in November.

Ricky Marvin announced on Facebook late Monday that he’s done in AAA. He’s looking to pick up independent bookings. Marvin was not listed on any upcoming TV tapings, and his last appearance would’ve been as part of the domed cage match at Heroes Inmortales. The original plan for the cage match seemed to be setting up Marvin losing, but then the teams of Poder del Norte and Aerostar/Drago/Raptor were added to the match during the show and Tito Santana lost instead. Marvin came into AAA on a hot indie run after leaving NOAH and is leaving the promotion colder, but his international recognition should help him get going. Ricky will probably wrestle for upper level indie groups (and maybe The Crash), but he also should be in a guy in demand for seminars and advice from the guys who work those groups, since he’s been the places they’d like to be.

AAA has been promoting the main event of Friday’s TV taping in Queretaro as Rey Escorpion versus Psycho Clown. The card lists it as a three way with Texano, and I wonder if that’s somehow a quiet acknowledgement Teaxno won’t be there. Maybe he’ll already be in Ontario for the Impact tapings by that. That would also mean the semimain would have to change, since Pagano’s probably going to Impact too. It also could just be AAA being random and Texano being moved into a different match without AAA explaining it.

Something’s changed with the Lucha Underground wrestler contract status again. Originally, the idea was no one under contract to LU could appear on any other US based wrestling show. Then, Lucha Libre FMV (which manages the contracts and is run by Dorian Roldan) seemed to allow people to appear on Impact, but it seemed to be only available to those people who were good terms with AAA. Those who walked out of AAA couldn’t work Impact, but even those LU people who never were part of AAA seemed unable to appear on TV. (This apparently is what led to Ricochet not wrestling on the NJPW US shows, and his speaking part being edited out later.) Now, it looks like Impact is able to use those guys – LU workers who weren’t part of AAA – on their TV. PW Insider says Sami Callihan will debut on their upcoming tapings, and that Impact tried to recruit Ricochet but turned down (because Ricochet has obviously been going to WWE since last June and isn’t going to screw that up, but it was worth a shot.) There’s no way Impact is going to put someone on TV unless they’re allowed to be on TV, so something’s changed with Callihan and Ricochet’s status.

It could be that LU/Lucha Libre FMV have softened their stance even more when it comes to allowing people on Impact now that there’s no TV show on the air, and possibly no TV show on the air ever again. Or maybe because Impact’s a Canada based show now, they’re not bound by the same rules? All I know for sure is Callihan is obviously showing up, because it was teased heavily on TV and all the guys he normally works with have shown up in Impact lately.

The reason this matters on the lucha side immediately is it appeared Johnny Mundo was still working in AAA primarily because it allowed Johnny Impact and Taya to get some work on Impact, and that wouldn’t be available to them if he walked on AAA. Johnny’s been more professional than most would be in his circumstance, so I would guess he might still stick around until the scheduled end of his run. But that might be his choice now rather than his obligation. (Or, these contracts could continue be applied very differently in different situations – that seems to be the one consistent thing about them by now.)

This all becomes moot if/when LU is canceled, and really important if/when LU S4 is picked up. There’s still nothing official. El Rey’s deadline to renew will come at some point, sooner than later, and everything continues to be on hold until the deadline pressure forces a decision.

126F Pro Wrestling Magazine has a bunch of quotes from The Crash’s Nacho de la O. I assume there was a press conference for Saturday’s Tijuana show yesterday. The latest story in the never ending quest for TV is the pilot has been delivered, The Crash is hoping to hear back within three weeks, and they hope to be airing shows by the end of the year.

The tag team titles are vacant. Nacho said there would be a match for the vacant championship on the 11/06 Nuevo Laredo show between the Lucha Brothers, War Machine and the team of Mecha Wolf & Willie Mack. (The current chard has Wolf & Mack in a singles match and Bestia & Taurus in that match.) Nacho also explained The Hardy Boys will be coming back to The Crash in two years, just as soon as their WWE contracts are done. They’re going to have new/better belts for the winners.

The Crash would like to expand their deal with CMLL, and very specifically bring in Dragon Lee. They’re working at bringing in Kenny Omega & Will Ospreay in the first quarter of 2018.

They say they’re running Tennessee in November (?) and have plans to run in the US in 2018, but they’re going to take their time on that. They’re already announced for New Orleans for WM week, but that didn’t seem to be mentioned.

DTU announced Violento Jack vs GCW’s Jimmy Lloyd on 12/03.

IWRG is posting videos on Castillo del Terror entrants. The one on mystery newcomer Capo del Norte lists him as a 6 year vet, trained by Navarro, Terry, Bucanero and Morgan, and wrestled in IWRG, Puerto Rico and AULL.

Nicho is listed on the 12/17 Mucha Lucha Alantis show, which would be his return or close to it.

In Arena Aficion, Vulcano Jr. & Angel Azul took Copernico’s mask and Esquimal I’s hair. Copernico is Miguel Garcia, from Mexico State, 51 years old, 30 years a wrestler.

Arlequin Negro took Coco Amarillo’s hair in a cage match.

LuchaWorld has this week’s Poster-Mania.

Segunda Caida checks out Imposible vs Relampago.

Box Y Lucha’s year end awards ceremony are 12/04. These come with a party, and usually controversy about very unfamiliar luchadors winning awards (with suspicions Box Y Lucha is essentially selling the awards.)


CMLL (MON) 11/06/2017 Arena Puebla
1) Lestat, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs Fuerza Chicana, Perverso, Policeman
2) La Vaquerita, Lady Maravilla, Sanely vs La Comandante, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
3) Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa, Stigma vs El Malayo, Olímpico, Virus
4) Volador Jr. vs Negro Casas [lightning]
5) Mistico, Niebla Roja, Valiente vs Kráneo, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

Maybe Cavernario had some place to be on Monday, because Negro Casas seems like a fill in. A good fill in, but still. This is a shorter card than usual and one not that interesting outside the lightning match.

new lucha videos for the weekend of October 27th, 2017

IWRG Monday continues to be repeats. I didn’t get the AAA show, so we’ll never know if Pagano/Lider/Mesias aired on the long version (but it did turn up on fan cam if you’re really interested.)

I probably will throw stuff up on YouTube the next couple weeks but this post is less a guarantee than usual.

CMLL Lucha Azteca: 2017-10-28
taped 2017-10-20 @ Arena México – Mega
1) Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis vs Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero, Terrible in a relevos increíbles match
2) Carístico vs Volador Jr. in a CMLL’s Leyenda de Plata Tournament match

CMLL Guadalajara: 2017-10-28
taped 2017-10-24 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara – Mega/YouTube
1) Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., Rey Cometa vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Sam Adonis
2) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
3) Carístico, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-10-28
taped 2017-10-25 @ Arena Naucalpan  – Mega/YouTube
1) Black Dragón, Leo, Mike vs Lunatic Xtreme, New Warrior, Toxin
2) Arez & King Strong vs Black Terry & Warrior Jr. and Cometa & Yakuza and Cadilac & Oficial 911 and Mara Salvatrucha & Súper Pinocho and Dr. Cerebro & Motocross and Balak & Guerrero Mixticoand Dragón Bane & Fantasma de la Ópera and Robin Maravilla & X-Corpio and Hip Hop Man & La Mosca and Internacional Pantera & Silver Dragón

a The Crash explainer

What is The Crash?

The Crash is a Tijuana based wrestling promotion. It’s owned by a man who goes by the name of Nacho de la O, with Konnan in charge of running the promotion. It’s a lucha libre promotion, but it’s heavily influenced by US indie style and brings in a lot of US based wrestlers.

The Crash has been around since 2011, and was just a typical local promotion who brought in CMLL or AAA wrestlers for most of it’s first few years. Konnan came aboard in 2016. The Crash evolved into more of a standalone group in summer that year and has been expanding in 2017.

Why should I care about The Crash?

As a fan: The Crash shows just tend to feature exciting matches with familiar names. The action is the most US indie influenced part of the presentation, with the matches resembling a style that would be more at home on a PWG show than an Arena Mexico one.

As a person following lucha: a viable third promotion is usually interesting in itself, and they’ve been destabilizing factors on AAA & CMLL.

(As a reader of this site: The Crash’s Anniversary show is this weekend, I’ve got a recap of their July show going up soon, and I’ll be attending a few The Crash shows in upcoming weeks. I was asked for a storyline update on Twitter, and this seemed like a good time to do a catchup.)

What’s the next big show?

The Crash’s 6th Anniversary show takes place this Saturday (11/04), with a hair match and two championships matches. It’s also a show two of eleven, taking place over a thirteen day tour.

What’s the big feuds right now?

This is the longest part.

Penta 0M, Daga and Garza Jr. jumped to The Crash on that show. Rey Fenix had jumped months earlier. Together, they formed a new group, La Rebelion. Rey Mysterio Jr. and El Zorro also came aboard in the following months (though Zorro isn’t around the promotion now.)

Everything went well until a four way cage match in June. Daga, Garza, Damian 666 and Nicho el Millionario (original Psicosis) were in the match, where the last person left would lose their hair. Daga accidentally hit Garza with a chair in the match, and Garza purposefully fouled Daga in retribution. Neither man would lose the match, but that seemed like the end of Garza in La Rebelion.

It was not. Garza pointed out he was the one who actually owned the trademark on the name, so he was going to create his own Rebelion. It’s left the promotion with two different La Rebelions, with the colors seperating them:

RED La Rebelion: Penta 0M, Rey Fenix, Rey Mysterio, Daga, (Zorro?)

YELLOW La Rebelion: Garza Jr., Bestia 666, Ultimo Ninja (Garza’s cousin), Black Taurus (ex-AAA), Black Danger

Daga versus Garza Jr. remains the big feud between the two factions. Konnan’s teased the 1v1 hair match happening soon, maybe this year, and it’d be the biggest match the promotion has to offer.

The Yellow group is a bit outmanned, but also have an alliance with an indie version of Los Ingobernables. (They’ve sometimes been technically unable to use that exact name, but that’s the idea.) That group is currently Rush, Pierroth and La Mascara. Maximo was part of the group, but turned tecnico after Rush arrived. Rey Escorpion was also part of the group, and left for AAA. The Yellow/Ingobernable partnership has been less stable since Rush & Pierroth arrived.

Long time local faction La Familia de Tijuana also remain, but in a greatly diminished level at the moemnt: only Damian 666 is wrestling, with Nicho recovering from knee surgery. (Bestia joined Garza, Rey Horuz left the promotion. X-Fly will show up from time to time.)

Most of the roster are unaligned tecnicos or rudos.  In normal lucha libre style, the factions have no issues teaming with whoever else they’ve been assigned with today. Most of the main events are red Rebellion members/other tecnicos vs Yellow Rebelion/Ingobernables.

One of the other more notable unaligned wrestlers is Jack Evans, who’s in the second biggest feud going on. He and Yellow Rebelion member Bestia 666 have been fighting most of the year, and have split two singles matches. They’ll have their own hair match on the 11/04 show, with the hometown Bestia being the favorite.

That’s it for the big stuff. Florida’s Oraculo was feuding with Tijuana’s Black Danger. Oraculo lost his mask to Danger in September and hasn’t been backed. Damain’s made some challenges to Pierroth. Demus 3:16 is going after Mascarita Dorada, but just seems to hate everyone shorter than him. Most of the matches are simply Mexico or US indie names set up against each other in ever changing combinations.

The three big feuds this year have been that Oraculo/Black Danger (done), Jack Evans/Bestia 666 (about to be done), and Daga/Garza (no clear end date). They probably should have new things kick off soon.

There’s no mention of titles there. Do they have titles?

They do. This is the part where they’re most like a normal lucha libre promotion: the titles aren’t really as big a deal in the US. They’re never main events, the title matches aren’t usually set up, and they don’t really drive the narrative of the promotion. Everyone would like to be the champion, but are secondary to the personal issues.

The Cruiserweight championship has the brightest history of all The Crash championships and is currently the closest thing to the group’s main title (though that may not last much longer.) The current champion is Rey Fenix, who’s defended it a lot against former champion Flamita.

The Junior championship is Aguscalientes native Arkangel Divino. The concept is this title is for guys smaller than cruiserweight, but the practice is this is a title for wrestlers who work the first couple matches on the show.

The Women’s championship is one of a number of belts Keyra holds. The Crash women’s division is small. Christi Jaynes is the only other woman working most of the shows. The Crash has had a lot of women come in for one or two matches, but haven’t been able to develop a steady group of women to build around.

There are The Crash Tag Team champions. Or, there were. The Hardy Boys won them, with the idea Fenix & Penta would face (and probably beat them) down the line. WWE signed the Hardys before that could happen, and there’s been no mention of these belts since the Hardys became unavailable. The Crash could decide new champions at any time, but there’s no urgency: there’s no set tag teams here beside Penta/Fenix and they’ve got other things to do.

The Crash is adding a Heavyweight Championship on their 11/04 show. There’s no enforced difference between it and the Cruiserweight belt as far we can tell. The decision match will have Rey Mysterio, Rush, Penta and La Mascara; at least two of those would have trouble passing as a Cruiserweight, but it looks like any cruiserweight could move up to being a heavyweight if the situation called for it. The names involved suggest it’ll be important championship, but all lucha titles are wait and see situations.

How do I follow The Crash?

This is the tough part. I was going to wait and do this explainer when The Crash got TV, becuase that obviously would make this a lot easier to follow. That hasn’t happened, even though everyone involved probably though it would’ve happened by now.

Instead, your best option is to subscribe to Konnan’s Patreon. The $5/month level gives you access to video links of the Tijuana shows. Each show goes up a few days after they air. The videos are originally from a handheld ringside camera, and eventually migrate to being a normal hard cam shot. There is no commentary; this is a bare bones presentation, but $5/month seems like a fair value for the quality of the shows.

This deal only covers Tijuana The Crash shows. They’ve put up a main event from Mexicali, but the other travels around Mexico do not appear to be filmed and definitely aren’t being offered. That goes for just results for the shows: The Crash’s social media will promote all their events, but the only shows where results are mentioned are the Tijuana shows.

The Crash shows draw the type of fans who are into watching wrestling on YouTube and so will be more likely to record and upload a show on their own. Still, it’s never consistent outside of the Tijuana shows, there’s no telling what/if anything else will ever pop up. The non-Tijuana Crash lineups are meaningful for their business, but don’t look at the lineups expected to see the matches – you probably won’t get that chance unless you’re there.

Accessibility is the obvious place The Crash lags behind the US indies it’s inspired by. (Even many ECW shows, another obvious influence, were easily more available than The Crash shows.) The Crash’s model is just different: there’s no independent tape/DVD selling company they can outsource the video production to in Mexico as there is elsewhere, and their goal is for a TV company to handle production of the show instead of them dealing with themselves.

IWRG, Puebla, weekend lineups

IWRG (SUN) 10/29/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Shadow Boy b Power Bull
2) Demonio Infernal b Príncipe Omi
3) King Strong & Lunatic Extreme b Súper Brazo Jr. & Voltar
4) Liderk, Rayan, Spartan, Spector b Alas de Acero, Aramis, Black Dragón, Dinamic Black
Spartan & Black Dragon are feuding.
5) Dragón Fly © b La Mosca [AIWA ARGENTINA CRUISER]
3rd defense.
6) Bombero Infernal, Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno DQ Hip Hop Man, Pleitto Castillo, Séptimo Rayo
7) Capo Del Norte & Capo Del Sur b Trauma I & Trauma II
bloody match

Capos remain unbeaten going into the Castillo del Terror mask match on Wednesday. Dragon Fly keeping is a surprise.

The Sky Team team up again tonight in Arena Puebla. They face Ephesto, Mephsito and Cavernario, who’s been feuding with Volador the last couple weeks. That’s probably the big match next Monday.

The rest of the show is of little meaning and not a lot of promise. Diamante Azul, Marco and Soberano face Hechicero, Kraneo and Rey Bcuanero in the semimain. Olimpico, Polvora and Sagrado face Blue Panther, Fuego and Rey Cometa. The lightning match is an exciting match of a luchador who looks like he might tear something if forced to bend (Astral) and a luchador very good at bending people into pretzels (Virus.) Cancero & Raziel will make Espiritu Maligno & Tigre Rojo’s lives miserable. Peverso & King Jaguar open against Milenium & Paris.

Remember, the show starts an hour later if you’re in the US (or anywhere else who didn’t switch their clocks.) In Central Time, that means this has a 10pm start.


CMLL (SAT) 11/04/2017 Arena Coliseo
1) Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Maquiavelo & Templario
2) Pegasso, Star Jr., Starman vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Hijo del Signo, Universo 2000 Jr.
3) Blue Panther, Blue Panther Jr., The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Nitro, Sagrado
4) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Valiente vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
5) Marco Corleone vs Shocker

Shocker/Marco turns out to not be for the heavyweight title. Still probably the same outcome. Maquiavelo is good for an appearance every 3 months. Saturday openers have been given up to the newer guys, which is nice but that’s probably the one day of the week those guys can find a small show to work somewhere else. It’s more other peopel don’t want to be there, I’d guess.

CMLL (SUN) 11/05/2017 Arena México
1) Oro Jr. & Príncipe Diamante vs Akuma & Espíritu Negro
2) La Jarochita, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs Amapola, Reyna Isis, Tiffany
3) Blue Panther Jr., Johnny Idol, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Pólvora, Sagrado
4) Ángel de Oro, Diamante Azul, Niebla Roja vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Luciferno
5) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Soberano Jr. vs Ephesto, Kráneo, Mephisto

This is a Dia de Muertos show, but also a very ordinary show.

CMLL (SUN) 11/05/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Micro vs Destello
2) Cosmos & Principe Daniel vs Demonio Maya & Thunder Boy
3) Black Sugar, El Alteño, Neutrón vs Difunto, Exterminador, Mr. Brisa
4) El Chakal, Joker, Sádico vs Frezzer, Furia Roja, Guerrero de la Muerte
5) Metatrón, Omar Brunetti, Vaquero Jr. vs Nautilius, Pitbull I, Ráfaga

There’s probably a reason the rudos are feuding but I doubt we’ll get to find out.

XMW (SUN) 11/12/2017 Salón Balumcanan, Iztacalco, Distrito Federal
1) Astrolux vs Lunatik FlyKingstonSteel Rocker Jr.Centinela Azul
2) Yoruba vs ?
3) Ancla, Centella, Fly Warrior vs Fly Star, Obscuro, Saruman
4) Belial, Impulso, Wasson vs Corsario De Fuego, Poseidón (Veracruz), Rey Infierno
5) Arez & Metaleón vs Centvrión & Látigo
6) Tóxico vs Ángel o DemonioDemente Extreme

All these matches have stipulations but the third match is listed for the G21 women’s match so I’m not sure how serious I should take these stipulations. If I am not broke by this point, I need to get an Indy Nation shirt before the members of the group kill each other in the semimain.

(actually pretty good) Terrible new champion, wrestlers missing shows, AAA Xalapa

photo by CMLL

CMLL (SAT) 10/28/2017 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Príncipe Diamante & Retro b El Coyote & Grako
2) Eléctrico, Fantasy, Stukita b Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
3) Warrior Steel b Gran Kenut [lightning]
Kenut from Guadalajara getting a (tryout?) match here against a fellow heavyweight
4) Ephesto, Felino, Luciferno b Fuego, Johnny Idol, The Panther
Rudos took 1/3.
5) Kráneo, Pierroth, Sam Adonis b Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Stuka Jr.
6) Carístico, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. DQ Euforia, Shocker, Terrible
Shocked fouled Marco.

Still seemed to be headed to a title match here. Weekend shows are booked more logically than Friday shows, though also with a lot less effort. No mentioned of anything with Caristico & Volador.

CMLL (SUN) 10/29/2017 Arena México [CMLL, MedioTiempo]
1) Acero, Aéreo, Último Dragóncito b Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Hijo del Signo, Sangre Azteca, Virus b Flyer, Oro Jr., Star Jr.
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Nitro, Pólvora, Sagrado b Drone, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa
Nitro replaced Misterioso. Rudos took 1/3.
4) Carístico, Mistico, Stuka Jr. b Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) Terrible b Diamante Azul [MEX HEAVY]
final two from last Sunday’s cibernetico. Terrible took 1/3 to win the vacant title. He’s the 65th known champion.

That’s title match is a surprise. CMLL booking making no sense has it’s upsides. Match was said to be good. I have no idea who Terrible defends against – Stuka, Blue Panther and (I guess) Rush were the only other tecnicos in the decision match. But there are worse ideas.

On his Facebook, Vampiro says he wrestled Friday night in the Arena San Juan main event as a replacement in Arena San Juan, because someone quit AAA. The scheduled main event was Angelico & La Parka vs Averno & Chessman,. My understanding is Vampiro replaced Angelico but Angelico hasn’t quit AAA. I assume La Parka wrestled here because he didn’t wrestle for Martinez.

Daylight Savings Time ended in Mexico Sunday morning. It does not change in the US or Canada until next weekend. For this week, and this week only, all the CMLL streams will air an hour later due to that time difference. (Puebla is 10PM CDT, Tuesday is 8:30, Friday is 9:30.) This is only a one week thing for US/Canada people. If you’re in Japan, or elsewhere which doesn’t do DST, it means everything is an hour later until spring.

(This probably means I should go to AAW on Friday, since I still might be able to get back from that to catch the last couple matches from CMLL. Still need to pack.)

Lady Apache was interviewed this weekend to build up an appearance in Arizona. She said she’s working more in the US because indie promoters in Mexico aren’t paying anything (and blames extreme matches for that.) She also says she’s been blackballed since trying to start a new union in 2014. She’s been part of Octagon’s more recent effort to do the same.

F1 was in Mexico City this weekend. There weren’t any AAA matches this year, but Mistico did hang out with a driver.

Lucha Memes 11/20 Arena Naucalpan (Chairo 11) matches

It’s Mr. Niebla. If he shows up in good condition, there’s going to be some hard chops in that match. I hope they have a plan for if he doesn’t show up or if he shows up in bad condition, because it’s Mr. Niebla. CMLL isn’t even booking Niebla right now; they listed Tuesday and pulled him for Mascara 2000, and his last CMLL match was September 23rd.

The local promoter for AAA’s TV taping in Ciudad Juarez on 11/19 now lists a Lady Shani vs Venus mask match. This is probably something just for the Juarez crowd: those two teamed on the last show, and I assume broke up. The Juarez taping for the Pimpinela/Mamba hair match earlier the year, which had also been built up just on local angles. I can’t think of anywhere else where AAA is letting the local promoter build up matches using their wrestlers for TV tapings. It’s a good idea, but also suggests the promoter has some extra money to throw around to pay for these matches. Juarez has drawn pretty well, which may help with that.

Kevin Kross was scheduled to face Alberto el Patron on a Championship Wrestling From Hollywood show in Arizona on Saturday. It was a TV taping for what will be run a similar style promotion based on Arizona, and explains a reason why Kross was looking to shift from “barely being used in AAA” to “being free to work wherever else.” However, Alberto did not actually appear on the show, and instead sent a video message saying he was staying in Mexico due to family health issues. The promotion didn’t announce Alberto not being there until the end of the show, which fans were understandably not thrilled about.

Likewise, Rey Mysterio missed his scheduled match with Juventued Guerrera in Brasil today. He was flying in from Europe and had plane issues.

The Misterioso from California (not the CMLL one) is in Dragon Gate this weekend. They’ve been trying Mexican wrestlers out this year from time to time, with Ciclon Ramirez Jr. & Dragon Fly having brief (and unproductive) outcomes. DTU is supposed to send someone there from their year long tryout competition, whenever that should end.

Monterrey’s soccer team mascot dressed up as LA Park. Meanwhile, LA Park wants a mask match with Psycho Clown (or, probably just wants the payoff Psycho Clown is getting.)

Lanzelot hopes his cruiserweight title win is the first step to becoming a star for AAA.

Titan is now on twitter as @titan_cmll.

Northern Mexico luchador Hijo del Espanto II passed away on Saturday. A funeral was held Sunday. No cause of death was mentioned.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Report and a preview of the latest Lucha Classica.


AAA TV (SAT) 12/02/2017 Arena Xalapa, Xalapa, Veracruz
1) Angelikal, Fetiche, Hijo Del Vikingo vs Ángel Mortal Jr., Chicano, Pardux
2) Big Mami & Niño Hamburguesa © vs La Hiedra & Villano III Jr. [AAA MIXED TAG]
1st defense
3) Estrella Divina, Faby Apache, Lady Shani, Lanzeloth vs ?, Australian Suicide, Ayako Hamada, Mamba
4) Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria vs Monsther Clown & Murder Clown © [AAA TAG]
2nd defense, 1st on TV.
5) Dave The Clown & La Parka vs Histeria & Psicosis
6) Dr. Wagner Jr., Hijo del Fantasma, Psycho Clown vs Hernandez, Rey Escorpión, Texano Jr.

Second to last taping of the year, and probably the last one to air in 2017. They’re set up to air on 12/16 and 12/23 (so don’t think too much about these matches, it’ll be two months from now until you see them.

Both the undercard championships matches are of the “give people something to do to keep them happy” variety, and so any outcome is possible. The mystery lady in probably planned to be the same one to be revealed this Friday in Queretaro.

Guerreros defeat Sky Team, 11/03 Dia de Muertos show lineup


CMLL (FRI) 10/27/2017 Arena México [CMLL, luchablogWrestling with GIFs]
1) Starman & Stigma b Metálico & Nitro LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:58. Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis b La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Marcela LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:09. Rudas took 2/3.
3) Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón b Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:34. Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Soberano Jr. b Mephisto [lightningLUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:17. Soberano top rope tornillo got the win, though he was shaken up after teh match.
5) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
10:44. Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero b Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr. LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 27 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
12:28. Rudos took 1/3.

Main event was great with a matchup we haven’t seen a lot this year. 3 & 4 were good in ways that have been seen more often.

Pretty much everything I have to write for Saturday is either out of date now, or will be just as in date Sunday. So I’ll wait until Sunday. I’m thinking of playing around with another way of doing this, or at least making it a lot smaller, while I’m in Mexico. The idea is to make the vacation actually a vacation, which I’m not so great at doing. Maybe I’ll get around to trying that idea this week; watch this space.


CMLL (FRI) 11/03/2017 Arena México
1) Astral & Robin vs Artillero & Espanto Jr.
2) Drone, Esfinge, Rey Cometa vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
3) Ángel de Oro, Niebla Roja, Stuka Jr. vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker
4) Dalys © vs Marcela [CMLL WOMEN]
13th defense, 6th against Marcela
5) Diamante Azul vs MisticoSoberano Jr.ValienteCuatreroForasteroHechiceroSansón [Rey del Inframundo]
6) Carístico, Rush, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero

Imagine being in charge of CMLL. You apparently have freedom to do whatever you please, as long as you get people their correct amount of bookings. Your boss may check in with you a couple times of year, but mostly you’ve got not oversight: you’re free to try whatever nonsense you want with a wrestling promotion. And mostly what they’ve been trying in 2017 is nonsense. At this point, I do not believe the people in charge of deciding wrestling matches in CMLL really like or care about wrestling matches so much.

CMLL hinted towards three title matches on Friday. The title match actually happening is, uh, Dalys defending Marcela. That was set up by, uh, Reina Isis beating Marcela. It’s not like this title match was sprung on them, CMLL books in advance and planned Marcela getting the title shot when they also decided she’d lose last week. Meanwhile, CMLL’s went thru the effort of creating for (and paying for) a new title belt – for a match that will not sell a single extra ticket because it happens to be for this new belt. And it won’t sell an extra ticket next year either, because they’ve positioned it as the semimain thing, not really that important, with the real important people having a bigger match. Dalys/Marsela will probably be pretty good. The cibernetico definitely will. None of this makes any sense as a wrestling promotion.

I think people in charge like putting on a show, and this will be a big production. This will also probably be one of the better turnouts of the year. Not a single complaint about how a poor job they’ve done here (and most of the year) really is going to matter to them. We should still take a step back every so often and note that CMLL is complete nonsense.

Negro Casas & Shocker are the tag team champs, something goes wrong every single time they team, but Angel de Oro & Niebla Roja would make totally obvious challengers and it’s something CMLL should’ve done as soon as Niebla Roja turned if they cared about the Anniversary turnout – but they clearly did not.

I’m going back and forth about staying home to watch this one, or going to AAW and finding some way to watch this on a bus or plane trip the next couple of weeks. I should see a good show either way. As down as I am about the creative “effort” in CMLL, these matches should still be a thing. There’s even a non-zero chance of something big happening in the main event given that totally combustible tecnico side.

CMLL on 2017-10-27 

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Recapped: 10/27/2017


Starman & Stigma beat Metálico & Nitro
(15:28 [8:38, 3:33, 3:17], 2/3, below average)

Amapola, Dalys, Reyna Isis beat La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Marcela
(13:09 [5:46, 2:48, 4:35], 2/3, ok)

Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón beat Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther
(14:34 [4:58, 2:39, 6:57], 1/3, good)

Soberano Jr. beat Mephisto in a lightning match
(9:17, top rope tornillo, good)

Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Niebla Roja beat Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys
(10:44 [3:34, 1:49, 5:21], 2/3, ok)

Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero beat Mistico, Valiente, Volador Jr.
(12:28 [2:51, 1:55, 7:42], 1/3, great)

What happened: 

Soberano tornillo

Nothing really. On a low level, CMLL built towards the heavyweight title match they already had announced (Diamante Azul beating Terrible) and set the ground work for two more (Soberano/Mephisto, Guerreros/Sky Team), but nothing was played up much and it’s unlikely those are actually happening. CMLL showed off next week’s title match, and pushed the Dia de Muertos concept hard, and didn’t really do anything else.


The two trios in the main event picked right up where they left off. The match was good then took off in the third fall to some hectic madness. It was overall a lot smoother than the NGD match, and the pace was more amazing the Soberano one. It wasn’t exactly the same match as before: 2017 Gran Guerrero is easily better than 2016. Last year’s model didn’t have enough offense to wreck all the técnicos like this one did here, and he seemed more confident taking the big técnico spots. He probably could use more singles matches to push him to expand more, but the chances they’ve given Gran Guerrero in 2017 have led him to being a more complete wrestler. (His older brother still out did him with the dive catch bit.) I don’t think they did everything here – Mistico has many more ways to almost die than he got in tonight – so hopefully the outcome does lead to a title match sometime soon.

Cuatrero springboard elbow drop

The semimain was the usual regular match that I didn’t connect to at all. Vangellys spear on Marco looked good. So did Diamante Azul’s german suplex. Those are three sentences.

Lightning match was a total Soberano showcase, giving him a chance to do all his moves and dives. That’s kind of every big Mephisto match: he’ll do a few matches but he’ll mostly just base, and Soberano looked spectacular and fresh enough to make it work. The pace was slower than you’d like from a Soberano match, kind of thanks to the dive and Soberano playing dead outside the guardrail to set up another big move. They were both selling dead in under four minutes. It was probably to pace the match out for close to 10 minutes, and they did pull that off. This match should go somewhere, though I’m not dying to see them again because I’m not sure what’s left to do.

The tercera was leagues better than two matches that preceded it. That’s not saying much, but they were giving time and tried to make it a memorable match. NGD are advanced up to doing their double teams twice, to set up the second one going wrong for the comeback. They have a lot of ideas, even if they’re still working on getting them to work in the context of a match. Esfinge and Cuatrero did not seem to be on the same page. There was some spot the rudo was going to do during the beatdown but instead time just stood still, and they seemed off when they were back together in the third fall. The set up to the second set of triple dives seemed weird too, with the técnicos milling about doing nothing waiting for the rudos to get in position. Neither of these were dealbreakers, but places where they can still improve.

Sky Team

The women’s match looked rough on paper and lived up to those expectations. Vaquerita’s dive looked like it was going bad the whole way and ended worse. She was taking a million little steps and that seems like the wrong way to go about it. Reina Isis seems like Marcela’s personal project of an opponent. It’s good to see someone trying, and Reina Isis was at least definitely no longer the worse person in this match. She slows down before doing every move, though, which is hurt the impact. She also doesn’t seem to have all that many moves, another problem.

The opener was a thoroughly boring and useless match with neither side showing much interest. Metalico seemed to mess up breaking up a pin that got Nitro eliminated and the third fall over quicker than usual, so that worked out for the viewer. Stigma’s dive was nice.

the aforementioned dive

Sky Team versus Guerreros Laguneros tonight in Arena Mexico


CMLL hypes tonight’s show around the Sky Team being back together. They’ve been broken up because, uh, CMLL just hasn’t bothered to put them in the same matches. This is their first match as a trio in Arena Mexico since Homenaje a Dos Leyendas, and that’s all for 2017 Arena Mexico matches for the top tecnico trio. It’s also their only top trio of the year. CMLL did a lot of Mistico, Valiente and Volador against the Guerreros and other trios teams, and has backed away from it this year. We know they won’t be doing a title match next week, because Mistico & Volador are announced as being in the Rey del Inframundo tournament, it’s just likely a one week match to come up with something in between tournaments.

This is very much a non-entity show in terms of ongoing rivalries. Negro Casas & Sam Adonis have the week off and there’s nothing else going on. It’s a lot of random trios matches, like a Tuesday card. The NGD match is usually good, and they’ve got Guerrero Maya, T. Panther and Esfinge to work with. The only singles match on the show is Soberano getting his first match with notable enemy of flying tecnicos Mephisto. Soberano’s the one with the momentum, but beating Mephisto one on one would still be an upset for him at this point. The semimain is sort of a heavyweight title preview with Diamante Azul & Terrible on opposite sides of a trios match, but they didn’t butild that much up on Monday’s show and this will probably be no different. Marco, Niebla Roja, Rey Bucanero and Vangellys fill out the spots in the match. The opening matches are Starman & Stigma vs Metalico & Nitro, and Jarochita, Vaquerita, and Marcela against Amapola, Dalys and Reyna Isis, neither of which sounds that promising. The show starts at 8:30pm CT on Claro, but this might be one worth turning in just in time for the main event or skipping entirely.

Last Saturday’s Ultimo Guerrero/Gran Guerrero vs Diamatne Azul/Caristico main event, had a tiny turnout.

Lucha Brothers versus Ultimo Ninja & Mecha Wolf in Brownsville, Texas had a really big turnout. That’s a credit to the local promoters (3 BAT), who seemed to get about 1,500 people in the building.

Alberto el Patron announced a 11/21 show in Mexico City, to raise money for earthquake victims. It’s basically a FULL show (Alberto, Dos Caras, Tinieblas vs Pirata Morgan, Hijo del Pirata Morgan, Psicosis main event) with cheap tickets to try to raise a lot of money.

Diamante Azul is dedicating his title match to Hector Garza.

Argenis was the guest on this week’s AAA Zona Ruda.

LuchaWorld has the latest news update.

Lucha Libre VOZ is running a show at taco festival in Lafayette, Louisiana. There were a lot of taco festivals with lucha libre this year in the US this year; I hardly mention them because the details on the lucha rarely go more in depth than “there will be the lucha libre!”. (This preview is amusingly over the top.) It’s probably a pretty decent gig for the people who can those spots. It feels like a market LU definitely should’ve been in, or AAA should be aiming it, but it’s also a situation where the name value we might ascribe doesn’t resonate to the people putting these shows together. It’s all lucha libre to them.


The Crash (THU) 12/21/2017 Plaza de Toros La Bien Paga, Tapachula, Chiapas
1) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
2) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
3) Flamita vs Jack Evans
4) Gallo Sureño Jr. & M-ximo vs Gallo Traidor & Pierroth
5) Daga & The King vs Bestia 666 & Garza Jr.
6) Penta Zero M & Rey Misterio 619 vs La Máscara & Rush

I don’t know how many people in Chiapas are reading this, so this lineup is probably not really useful except to let you know Flamita vs Jack Evans is happening and you aren’t going to see it. It does seem help clarify The Crash schedule: a long tour in early November, a shorter late November/early December run (with LA Park & maybe Ricochet), and another mid?/late? December group of shows. They are scaling up.

lucha TV preview for weekend of October 27th

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AAA finished off Heroes Inmortales. Four matches on AAA show probably means none of these are going to last too much on TV. One of these matches is a royal rumble style match which sort of has to take a while, which leaves even less for the rest. I guess this is good news for people who dislike lucha cage matches like me.

None of the CMLL really pops out this week. I guess the main event on Tuesday is worth paying attention to, since one of those tecnicos will probably be defending against one of those rudos. Niebla Roja just defended his title twice, none of them are really heavyweights, so maybe Angel de Oro versus Mephisto is the random direction.