como estaz 4×15: hell of war

Rob and I finally return to talk about the best match on this Lucha Underground season, CMLL being on hiatus, AAA’s recent shows, and The Crash’s upcoming ones. This podcast goes about 100 minutes, no matter how many times I say it went two hours.

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The audio gets unbalanced later on. I know what’s going wrong now at least, maybe I’ll get it right someday.

Rob’s Mexico schedule:


CMLL Martes: 2017-09-12 

no mountain too big for Microman

Recapped: 09/25-26/2017

All matches aired from Arena Mexico live.


Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Templario & Yago
(11:56 [5:00, 4:19, 2:37], 1/3, ok, via

La Vaquerita, Marcela, Sanely beat La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica
(12:45 [6:34, 3:54, 2:17], 2/3, n/r, via 

El Gallito & Microman beat Chamuel & Mije
(11:07, good, via

Luciferno, Tiger, Virus vs Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso
(13:54 [6:21, 3:08, 4:25], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys beat Drone, Johnny Idol, Titán
(12:43 [5:26, 3:34, 3:43], 1/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker
(12:33 [4:07, 1:48, 6:38], 1/3 DQ, ok, via 

What Happened:

gotta springboard

Shocker fouled Stuka to finish the main event.

This was Chamuel’s Arena Mexico debut after wrestling in Arena Coliseo previously. He is twice Microman’s size.


behold the power of Chamuel

The main had teases of what might happen if we ever got to see a 2017 Cavernario/Dragon Lee full length match, and just enough action to send the crowd away satisfied. Not something you need to rewatch, and Shocker fouling Stuka wasn’t built to at all and doesn’t set up anything interesting. Cavernario was entertainingly in Dragon Lee’s face in this one.

The fourth match has some good ideas – Luciferino getting battered 3 on 1 by dropkicks to set up a pin is a nice change of pace with the teammates actually working together – but it doesn’t totally come together as something worth watching. Esfinge coming into too early in the ending sprint was amusing. Tiger has good timing on his big strikes.

this was not good

The third match was a another fun micros match. This Tuesday crowd didn’t seem as into it at first as other ones, but they were getting showered by coins as well. Chamuel did well, selling big for the smaller técnicos to make them see more impressive. Mije had a problem with his tapatia and Gallito seemed like not everything went right, but Microman was the start as always.

The opener was not as exciting as the Fiero-fests, but Templario was out to impress. He was also out to do some springboards, and did a lot of those. Retro does bad quebradoras and I’m really becoming a quebradora snob as I grow older. My Facebook friend Yago still needs a better finish.

Templario has a lot of finishes.

Indy Nation defeats IWRG, CMLL plans Friday Puebla shows if CDMX ban continues

IWRG (WED) 09/27/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Dinámico, Dranzer, Pumita b Dragón Infernal, Kraken, Satán X
2) Chicanito, Guerrero 2000, Voltan b Black Puma, Fly Tiger, Príncipe Omi
3) Lili Dark b Lady KatHija Del Pantera
4) Avisman, Leroy, Skanda b Hijo Del Bombero, Príncipe Mexica, Voltar
Avisman replaced Power Bull.
5) Chico Che, Leo, Teelo b Hijo del Alebrije, Ovett, Súper Brazo Jr.
Hijo del Alebrije replaced Picudo Jr. Ovett & Super Brazo had problems.
6) Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Dinamic Black, Lunatik Xtreme, Power Bull, Warrior Jr. L Centvrión, Fly Star, Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Glen Calavera, Látigo, Mr. Leo, Séptimo Rayo and Ángel Drago, Cadillac, Gargoli, Keiser Drago, Kilvan, Marduk Jr., Mr. Snake, Taurino [cage, hair, mask]
GYM FILL (Black Terry) vs Indy Nation (Arez) vs Gym Zeus (Oficial 911). Warrior Jr. & Power Bull replaced Diablo Jr. & Avisman. Latigo (back in Indy Nation?) replaced Jerry Calavera. Only Lunatik & Demonio were betting their hair. Centviron suffered a shoulder injury and was left along with Aramis and Lunatic, who attacked the joint. Aramis and Lunatic turned to leave, but Arez cut off Lunatik and helped Centviron to win.

Indy Nation is doing well in IWRG, and so did IWRG itself. There looks like the biggest turn out for a Wednesday (trainee filed) showed. Maybe 3 gyms sold a lot of tickets?

Yesterday’s CMLL Informa explained CMLL’s plans for the moment. They clearly are not sure when the state of emergency in Mexico City will be lifted or when they’ll be able to run shows, but they want to start getting work for their wrestlers and fresh TV product for their partners.

The altered schedule would begin on Sunday. CMLL hasn’t taken down the Friday & Saturday Mexico City lineups, but they’re not selling tickets for those shows and everyone would be surprised if they happened at this point. From there:

  • Sunday’s usual Arena Mexico show is being held instead in Guadalajara.
  • There appears to be no restrictions in Puebla, so Monday’s show will take place as normal
  • Tuesday will have the usual Guadalajara show, and they’ll run (and stream) Arena Mexico if the ban on events is lifted
  • Friday will have an event whatever happens. If they can run in Mexico City, it’ll be the normal show. If they can’t run in Mexico City, they’ll run a second weekly show in Arena Puebla. There should be a stream either way.

They’re hoping things revert closer to normal soon.

On CMLL Informa, Sofia Alonso mentions they promotion had collected 11.5 tons of food during it’s drive, much of went to the to Xochimilco, which suffered the worst damage from the earthquake. Dragon Rojo & Polvora were credited for coming up with the idea, with Puma and Hechicero being part of it as well. Akuma, Zeuxis, Caristico and referee Edgar Norieaga were also brought on to talk about the work they did in helping people.

Flip Gordon also appeared, with he and CMLL announcing he’d agreed to stay until 10/04 (next Wednesday) since he missed out working shows due to the earthquake. Flip is with many CMLL wrestlers scheduled for a show in Toluca today.

The Todo x el Todo show to celebrate Santo’s 100th birthday takes place today. It was originally supposed to take place on Saturday and pushed back due to the earthquake. The card has Hijo del Santo, Santo Jr., Mil Mascaras and Santo Jr. vs Hijo del Solitario, Satanico, Silver King and a Silver King Jr. as the main event. Angel Blanco and El Bandido face off for the WWA Welterweight Championship.

Psycho Clown auctioned off a mask for charity. IWRG lucahdors gave masks and posed with rescue workers.

TKD, @conjuarez and @champjulius guest on the latest Lucha Talk.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Update.

Tacos with Australian Suicide goes well.


IWRG (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel Oriental vs Vórtize
2) Chico Che & Súper Brazo Jr. vs Ovett & Tackle
3) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly vs Rayan, Spartan, Spector
4) Imposible, Pantera I, Veneno vs Heddi Karaoui, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Violencia Jr.
5) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. vs Trauma I & Trauma II
6) Eterno © vs Bombero Infernal [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
first defense

Title change in the main event is unlikely. Looks like the Traumas are coming for the tag titles. The Comando Elite are back for the first time in over a year to face IWRG’s new trio. Super Brazo has had problems with Ovett & Tackle on the last two shows, and will face them both.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-09-11 


Recapped: 09/21/2017


Centella Roja, Hijo de Centella Roja, Meyer beat Ares, El Perverso, Fuerza Chicana
(15:11 [4:38, 5:36, 4:57], 1/3, n/r, via

Disturbio, Espanto Jr., King Jaguar beat Arkalis, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr.
(14:34 [5:09, 4:00, 5:25], 1/3, n/r, via

Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys beat Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther
(10:38 [2:47, 3:51, 4:00], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Kráneo, Valiente beat Cavernario, Felino, Johnny Idol in a relevos increíbles match
(11:37 [3:12, 3:50, 4:35], 2/3, ok, via

Carístico, Octagón, Volador Jr. beat Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Negro Casas
(12:44 [3:54, 2:40, 6:10], 2/3, ok, via

What Happened:

Octagon taking a bump

Nothing really. Octagon submitted Negro Casas in the main event in what appears to be his last appearance for the moment.


The main had not much interesting, except for how strongly they’ve put over Octagon in this test run. The crowd enjoyed the match and most of the action on the show, but there’s not much needed to watch. Volador, probably only here because Niebla Roja wasn’t, pretty much worked like it was his day off. He didn’t appear to have gear except for his wristbands and armbands and took it easy. Octagon is the master of looking behind him before he falls down bumping. Negro Casas never looked younger than he did with these guys around him.

Kraneo splash

The semimian was an average match. Kraneo returning to his técnico roots but warped from his years as a weird rudo was a sight to see, and the only thing that seemed to justify the really weird sides. Johnny Idol is trying to bounce his pecs now. It didn’t work. Cavernario wildly smack Angle de Oro from the apron while Idol was going after his mask did work. No one else stood out.

The tercera was a good match in the first fall that slowed down when the rudos took over and didn’t regain pace until much later. Everyone hit their big spots: Misterioso got pinned while not paying attention, Stigma blew a spot, and Sagrado did his best to pick up the pieces. Vangellys forgetting he was meant to be pinning Stigma for the second fall was also a delight. The técnicos didn’t get to make a full comeback and got clowned in the end, which I guess is at different than usual but not don very interestingly. Tirantes was out of his mind in this match often. I don’t know if he’s drinking before these matches but he might as well, because he’s giving off the impression he’s under the influence of something anyway.

Rey Samuray tricky headscissors