CMLL Friday night return lineup announced, Heroes Inmortales Sunday


CMLL’s posted their lineup for next week

CMLL (FRI) 10/06/2017 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
2) Blue Panther Jr., Fuego, The Panther vs Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys
3) Valiente vs Hechicero [lightning]
4) Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas vs Pierroth, Rush, Sam Adonis [Relevos Increíbles]
5) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Soberano Jr. vs Luciferno, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero
6) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone vs Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero

It’s leaning towards a regular show, with maybe the guys in the fifth match bumping out guys (or women) who would be in the second match. Getting the stars work is going to be the short term priority. They’re picking up as if they haven’t been missing for weeks, with the Negro Casas/Sam Adonis feud seemingly heading to a big match on 10/28 or 11/04.

CMLL’s not posted a lineup for Friday yet. They have put up the usual video preview, with Sagrado announcing Ultimo Guerrero, Mistico, Negro Casas, Dragon Lee, Barbaro Cavernario and Soberano for the show. Ovaciones says the planned main event is Caristico, Marco Corleone, and Diamante Azul vs Ultimo Guerrero, Gran Guerrero and Shocker.

CMLL’s also put up the Zeuxis/Princesa Sugehit mask match.

Heroes Inmortales is this Sunday. It does not appear to be streaming. AAA clearly told the announcers to push the idea of the show airing on Twitch, so something happened (or didn’t happen) this week. It will turn up on TV starting about two weeks from now.

The full card is here.  The listed start time is 6pm CT, which means 6:40 on AAA’s clock. AAA had said they were doing Hall of Fame inductees at this show prior to TripleMania, but there’s been no mention of those in the leadup. Some thoughts on the matches they did mention.

  1. The Reina de Reinas title has never meant as much to the fans as the person who’s holding it at that moment (usually due to promotional lack of interest.) It would probably mean a lot to Lady Shani to win but would not make her much bigger of a star to the fans if she did it like that. If Ayako is going to available for a while, or even just for the major shows, it’d be better for Hamada to win and Shani to chase for a while. If not, it’s not like Shani’s winning is any worse for that title than it was before. My hunch is Shani is going to win so AAA can say they’re getting it right now, but they would’ve largely missed the point.
  2. Likewise, the Cruiserweight championship doesn’t mean much because AAA’s given up on caring about it for months (years?) at a time. I feel the opposite of the women’s title situation here: Hijo del Vikingo should win it right away, to immediately establish him as someone fans need to pay attention too and not just one guy in pack of new names. There’s no one really to chase and AAA needs all the new names it can get. Mascara de Bronce seems more likely to win, but it would be counterproductive given how much he’s been destroyed on TV – it would make the Cruiserweight Title a jobber title, and there’s no need for that. Either way, the multiman match should be exciting, and Mundo losing a title here probably tells the tale for the rest of his title matches.
  3. There’s more interesting possibilities with Poder del Norte as trios champs – AAA has limitless combinations of tecnicos they could throw together as a team to face them – and I think they’re getting it as a reward for their mask loss. It would mean that no one’s in that Golden Opportunity had anything work out for them: Venum lost the mixed tag title match, Lanzelot lost in the Copa TripleMania, Raptor would lose his trios title match, and Mascara de Bronce never even got his shot.
  4. The Latin American Title match is the hardest one to pick. Texano & Fantasma don’t especially need it, though it would add to the importance of the championship if it was part of a feud that heated. Psycho Clown doesn’t really need it, and should be focusing on whoever wins the last title match. It could be a La Parka prize, it could be something sent to Impact as part of the cross over promotion. Escorpion and Marty are both doing a lot right now and wouldn’t be outrageous winners. I have no feel for this at all.
  5. Rey Wagner beating Johnny Mundo, giving AAA a setup to do another Wagner/Psycho match at Guerra de Titanes, seems like the easiest way to go. (It also leaves Mundo up to face Vampiro, or Mundo to just go home, or maybe both.) These two don’t seem like they’d mesh well on paper, but the crowd is going to be into Wagner anyway. Mundo should be able to hide in the other two matches but they’re asking a lot out of him.
  6. Lucha cage matches are dumb. Dome cage matches are dumb. I presume Ricky Marvin is losing because any other outcome would be dumb.
  7. Joe Lider has not won a match on AAA TV since April. I don’t think that’s changing, but it seems a pretty strong hint that AAA had no plans to put Lider on TV until their attempt at doing a draw/non finish at TripleMania bombed. Lider’s there to do stuff no one else would agree to do, and to let this feud keep going until Guerra de Titanes.

It’s another slow weekend. Today’s shows include

Sunday has

AAA Japan announced a bunch of matches for the 10/09 Lucha Underground show in Tokyo, prior to the World Cup

This show is expected to air as highlights on SamuraiTV. It’s unclear if it’ll air any other way.

In something just announced a couple days ago, Dulce Garcia (Sexy Star) has a boxing match tonight. It’ll air in Mexico on Televisa Deportes. She’s facing a 0-1 fighter who just fought about six weeks ago. People who know boxing say Dulce was unimpressive in her first match and needs to do better this time.

Lucha Underground has Catrina and Ivelisse promos for their match next week.

Rio Grande’s The Monitor has an interview with Penta Zero M before his match there against Ultimo Ninja & MechaWolf on 10/21.

Powerbomb.TV has a Puma King promo for his 10/22 match against John Silver.

Segunda Caida reviews a couple lucha matches from eariler this year.

lucha TV preview for weekend of September 29th

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I think I’m still out of sorts with CMLL shows to keep rhythm. Guess we see next week.

CMLL streams resume on Monday with a Cavernario/Soberano match that seems like it’s must see. Meanwhile, Flip Gordon makes his last streaming appearance on the rudo side of a Relevos Incredibles. Are they setting up a women’s title match in the undercard, or yet another Euforia/Marco title match?

AAA has an hour and change of TV you haven’t seen before getting to the Twitch streamed stuff. Rhythm seems off here, with four out of six weeks skippable because the shows have already aired in unedited form (though last week had a Dorian and Vampiro conversation.)

I don’t feel as strongly about the rest of Lucha Underground’s Ultima Lucha 3 as I did Fox/Killshot. There’s some really great matches still, and this week’s Fenix/Marty match is definitely going to bring out the emotions of the participants and the people watching. The issue is I think you didn’t have to watch the last 36 episodes to appreciate that match, while the stuff coming up is more rewarding to those who’ve watched all or most of the series so far.

Two IWRG shows this week would be exciting if the AYM feed wasn’t broke all week and I don’t know how to fix it on my end and I’m not sure if it’ll ever be fixed. It’s possible those uploads are done.

1990 Coahuila/Durango lineups added to the luchadb

the two young men in the main event would go onto have decent careers

I added 1990 lucha libre lineups, mostly from the cities Torreon and Gomez Palacio (but a few from Lerdo!), to the luchadb database over the last week. They’re integrated the different pages of this site, and they’re also just available here. This is a slow continuing project to mine the El Siglo de Torreon archive for lucha lineups and results. I thought I was going to stop doing these for a while but it’s easy monotonous work that doesn’t require a lot of translation and I’m good at that.

Running total of recent events

year events
1985 150
1986 154
1987 152
1988 176
1989 188
1990 170


This year was tougher than the nearer ones. I have been search these lineups out by a text search thru their archive. Siglo’s text index is broken from July 16 to the end of the year leaving no way to search. I instead went thru every Thursday (for Arena Olimpico Laguna) and every Sunday paper to look for lineups, but I’m sure there were results, articles, and odd day lineups that I probably missed. On the other hand, this went quicker because I zeroed in on a year instead of doing five at a time, and I was usually doing those sort of check every Thursday/Sundays after the fact to find missing shows. It looks like 1991 won’t have the same problem.

My favorite bit, and one of the reasons why I really wanted to do 1990, was finding the first matches of Ultimo Guerrero. He started under the peculiar name of Flanagan, and he started out sooner than we knew. His first match is always said to be in September of 1990, but Flanagan starts appearing on AOL cards as early as June 24. He appears regularly, and quickly gets into a feud which leads to a minor (lightweight!) title match. That feud continues in a singles match the same day as the Asai/Casas match up there. The paper writes it up like so:

Un combate espectacular se anunica para el tercer turno de la tarde, y que en mano a mano se ven las caras Super Punck y Flanagan; un duelo de acróbatas que debera de resultar emocionante para el publico y en donde no existe un favorito.

Super Punck (or Super Punk) is the luchador who would later become Ultimo Rebelde, Hooligan and now Luciferno.  (I think the current Super Punk in the arena is possibly ex-CMLL’s El Rebelde, or some other relative.) Baby Ultimo Guerrero and Baby Luciferno in an acrobatic duel is amazing thought. The two started teaming together later in the year. They’re many years away from that team taking them to Promo Azteca and the rest of their careers.  Still, it seemed like at least the Dipp family booking Arena Olimpico Laguna figured out not-yet-Ultimo Guerrero was going to special from day 1 by the way they used him.

I kept track of a lot of articles. So many articles. I split them up into categories in case you’re interested in any of them.

Local Stories

General History

Luchador of the Week type short bios/interviews

CMLL back to normal next week, AAA Lucha World Cup (finally) announced, TxT

AAA lottery tickets

TxT (THU) 09/28/2017 Palenque de la Feria, Tulancingo, Hidalgo [+LuchaTV]
1) Aeroboy, Hormiga, Jimmy b Amo de la Noche, Black Fire, Paranoiko
2) Crazy Boy, Fishman Jr., Rayman b Canek Jr., Cien Caras Jr., Heddi Karaoui
set up Rayman vs Karaoui for the WWA LH title (when? where?)
3) El Bandido (Indie) b Ángel Blanco Jr. © [WWA WELTER]
Bandido wins the title in an upset. Blanco falls on his 3rd defense.
4) El Dandy, El Hijo Del Santo, Mil Máscaras, Santo Jr. b El Hijo del Solitario, Satánico, Silver King, Silver King Jr.

Bandido can add this championship of a promotion that doesn’t actually exist to his Elite Welterweight Championship. I totally expected it would be Santo Jr. who beat Angel Blanco Jr. for the title as his first big win. Hijo del Santo seems to have always thought highly of Bandido, bringing him to the UK (under a variety of names) and picking him as his most recent singles opponent. The Karaoui/Rayman bit suggests they have plans for another show at some point, but I have no idea when.

This 100 Years of Santo show wasn’t as big a deal as hoped when it first teased months ago. By the standards of a indie show taking place on an odd day in smaller town, they seemed to draw pretty well.

CMLL announced they will resume running shows in Mexico City on Tuesday. The government has given them approval to start running next week, and they’ll begin with the already announced Tuesday show. Everything will be normal from there.

AAA held a press conference to finally announce the Lucha World Cup. The show is 11 days away and AAA had been weird about not mentioning it until now (or the LU themed show before hand.) They quickly introduced the two person team concept and listed all the teams.

1: Mexico (AAA): Psycho Clown & Pagano
2: Mexico (LU): Drago & Aerostar
3: USA (NOAH): Cody Hall & Quiet Storm
4: USA (LU): Marty the Moth & Son of Havoc
5: Japan (NOAH): Taiji Ishimori & HI69
6: International Japan (IGF): NOSAWA & Kendo Kashin
7: International (LU): Vampiro & Mil Muertes
8: UK/New Zealand (FREE?): USA (Impact) DJZ & Andrew Everett

You can see there’s been some changes. I really want DJZ/Everett vs Drago/Aerostar. I’m sure Psycho & Pagano are winning. I’m sure Vampiro & Mil will be in the tournament too long.

other matches for 10/10
King Cuerno vs Angelico
Danny Jones, Diego, Sumrise Natsu vs Taylor Adams, Rekka, and Heidi Katrina

The show will air on SamuraiTV a week later, and Dorian talked about the show airing in Mexico in some way.

No matches were announced for 10/09. I suspect that’s coming soon, though that’s only airing as highlights so we may never seen it either way. It’d be good Twitch content if they could get it, but there was no sign of that happening.

AAA also unveiled the new AAA lottery tickets being put out by Mexican National Lottery. The tickets go on sale today for 25 Mexican Pesos ($1.37 USD.) One has the Pena/Roldan family (Antonio, Joaquin, Dorian, Marisela), one has wrestlers (Fantasma, Psycho, Wagner and Parka.) The money from the tickets will go to reconstruct hospitals and schools damaged by the earthquake. Lottery tickets in Mexico seem to work more like what I would think of as raffle tickets in the US, where every ticket has a serial number on it and a few of those numbers are drawn for prizes.

Psycho Clown talks about his Latin American title match.

Masked Republic is selling a special t-shirt to raise money for earth quake victims. Sleeve Assassin is selling shirts of the time in WCW DDP dressed up as La Parka to raise money for Mexico and Puerto Rico.

como estaz 4×15: hell of war

Rob and I finally return to talk about the best match on this Lucha Underground season, CMLL being on hiatus, AAA’s recent shows, and The Crash’s upcoming ones. This podcast goes about 100 minutes, no matter how many times I say it went two hours.

right click download/rss

The audio gets unbalanced later on. I know what’s going wrong now at least, maybe I’ll get it right someday.

Rob’s Mexico schedule:


CMLL Martes: 2017-09-12 

no mountain too big for Microman

Recapped: 09/25-26/2017

All matches aired from Arena Mexico live.


Retro & Sangre Imperial vs Templario & Yago
(11:56 [5:00, 4:19, 2:37], 1/3, ok, via

La Vaquerita, Marcela, Sanely beat La Comandante, La Seductora, Metálica
(12:45 [6:34, 3:54, 2:17], 2/3, n/r, via 

El Gallito & Microman beat Chamuel & Mije
(11:07, good, via

Luciferno, Tiger, Virus vs Esfinge, Fuego, Pegasso
(13:54 [6:21, 3:08, 4:25], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys beat Drone, Johnny Idol, Titán
(12:43 [5:26, 3:34, 3:43], 1/3, n/r, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Dragón Lee, Stuka Jr., Valiente beat Cavernario, Negro Casas, Shocker
(12:33 [4:07, 1:48, 6:38], 1/3 DQ, ok, via 

What Happened:

gotta springboard

Shocker fouled Stuka to finish the main event.

This was Chamuel’s Arena Mexico debut after wrestling in Arena Coliseo previously. He is twice Microman’s size.


behold the power of Chamuel

The main had teases of what might happen if we ever got to see a 2017 Cavernario/Dragon Lee full length match, and just enough action to send the crowd away satisfied. Not something you need to rewatch, and Shocker fouling Stuka wasn’t built to at all and doesn’t set up anything interesting. Cavernario was entertainingly in Dragon Lee’s face in this one.

The fourth match has some good ideas – Luciferino getting battered 3 on 1 by dropkicks to set up a pin is a nice change of pace with the teammates actually working together – but it doesn’t totally come together as something worth watching. Esfinge coming into too early in the ending sprint was amusing. Tiger has good timing on his big strikes.

this was not good

The third match was a another fun micros match. This Tuesday crowd didn’t seem as into it at first as other ones, but they were getting showered by coins as well. Chamuel did well, selling big for the smaller técnicos to make them see more impressive. Mije had a problem with his tapatia and Gallito seemed like not everything went right, but Microman was the start as always.

The opener was not as exciting as the Fiero-fests, but Templario was out to impress. He was also out to do some springboards, and did a lot of those. Retro does bad quebradoras and I’m really becoming a quebradora snob as I grow older. My Facebook friend Yago still needs a better finish.

Templario has a lot of finishes.

Indy Nation defeats IWRG, CMLL plans Friday Puebla shows if CDMX ban continues

IWRG (WED) 09/27/2017 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, The Gladiatores]
1) Dinámico, Dranzer, Pumita b Dragón Infernal, Kraken, Satán X
2) Chicanito, Guerrero 2000, Voltan b Black Puma, Fly Tiger, Príncipe Omi
3) Lili Dark b Lady KatHija Del Pantera
4) Avisman, Leroy, Skanda b Hijo Del Bombero, Príncipe Mexica, Voltar
Avisman replaced Power Bull.
5) Chico Che, Leo, Teelo b Hijo del Alebrije, Ovett, Súper Brazo Jr.
Hijo del Alebrije replaced Picudo Jr. Ovett & Super Brazo had problems.
6) Ángel Oriental, Aramis, Black Dragón, Demonio Infernal, Dinamic Black, Lunatik Xtreme, Power Bull, Warrior Jr. L Centvrión, Fly Star, Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Glen Calavera, Látigo, Mr. Leo, Séptimo Rayo and Ángel Drago, Cadillac, Gargoli, Keiser Drago, Kilvan, Marduk Jr., Mr. Snake, Taurino [cage, hair, mask]
GYM FILL (Black Terry) vs Indy Nation (Arez) vs Gym Zeus (Oficial 911). Warrior Jr. & Power Bull replaced Diablo Jr. & Avisman. Latigo (back in Indy Nation?) replaced Jerry Calavera. Only Lunatik & Demonio were betting their hair. Centviron suffered a shoulder injury and was left along with Aramis and Lunatic, who attacked the joint. Aramis and Lunatic turned to leave, but Arez cut off Lunatik and helped Centviron to win.

Indy Nation is doing well in IWRG, and so did IWRG itself. There looks like the biggest turn out for a Wednesday (trainee filed) showed. Maybe 3 gyms sold a lot of tickets?

Yesterday’s CMLL Informa explained CMLL’s plans for the moment. They clearly are not sure when the state of emergency in Mexico City will be lifted or when they’ll be able to run shows, but they want to start getting work for their wrestlers and fresh TV product for their partners.

The altered schedule would begin on Sunday. CMLL hasn’t taken down the Friday & Saturday Mexico City lineups, but they’re not selling tickets for those shows and everyone would be surprised if they happened at this point. From there:

  • Sunday’s usual Arena Mexico show is being held instead in Guadalajara.
  • There appears to be no restrictions in Puebla, so Monday’s show will take place as normal
  • Tuesday will have the usual Guadalajara show, and they’ll run (and stream) Arena Mexico if the ban on events is lifted
  • Friday will have an event whatever happens. If they can run in Mexico City, it’ll be the normal show. If they can’t run in Mexico City, they’ll run a second weekly show in Arena Puebla. There should be a stream either way.

They’re hoping things revert closer to normal soon.

On CMLL Informa, Sofia Alonso mentions they promotion had collected 11.5 tons of food during it’s drive, much of went to the to Xochimilco, which suffered the worst damage from the earthquake. Dragon Rojo & Polvora were credited for coming up with the idea, with Puma and Hechicero being part of it as well. Akuma, Zeuxis, Caristico and referee Edgar Norieaga were also brought on to talk about the work they did in helping people.

Flip Gordon also appeared, with he and CMLL announcing he’d agreed to stay until 10/04 (next Wednesday) since he missed out working shows due to the earthquake. Flip is with many CMLL wrestlers scheduled for a show in Toluca today.

The Todo x el Todo show to celebrate Santo’s 100th birthday takes place today. It was originally supposed to take place on Saturday and pushed back due to the earthquake. The card has Hijo del Santo, Santo Jr., Mil Mascaras and Santo Jr. vs Hijo del Solitario, Satanico, Silver King and a Silver King Jr. as the main event. Angel Blanco and El Bandido face off for the WWA Welterweight Championship.

Psycho Clown auctioned off a mask for charity. IWRG lucahdors gave masks and posed with rescue workers.

TKD, @conjuarez and @champjulius guest on the latest Lucha Talk.

LuchaWorld has the latest Lucha Update.

Tacos with Australian Suicide goes well.


IWRG (SUN) 10/01/2017 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel Oriental vs Vórtize
2) Chico Che & Súper Brazo Jr. vs Ovett & Tackle
3) Black Dragón, Dinamic Black, Dragón Fly vs Rayan, Spartan, Spector
4) Imposible, Pantera I, Veneno vs Heddi Karaoui, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Violencia Jr.
5) Black Warrior & Warrior Jr. vs Trauma I & Trauma II
6) Eterno © vs Bombero Infernal [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
first defense

Title change in the main event is unlikely. Looks like the Traumas are coming for the tag titles. The Comando Elite are back for the first time in over a year to face IWRG’s new trio. Super Brazo has had problems with Ovett & Tackle on the last two shows, and will face them both.

CMLL Puebla: 2017-09-11 


Recapped: 09/21/2017


Centella Roja, Hijo de Centella Roja, Meyer beat Ares, El Perverso, Fuerza Chicana
(15:11 [4:38, 5:36, 4:57], 1/3, n/r, via

Disturbio, Espanto Jr., King Jaguar beat Arkalis, Rey Samuray, Tigre Rojo Jr.
(14:34 [5:09, 4:00, 5:25], 1/3, n/r, via

Misterioso Jr., Sagrado, Vangellys beat Blue Panther Jr., Stigma, The Panther
(10:38 [2:47, 3:51, 4:00], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)

Ángel de Oro, Kráneo, Valiente beat Cavernario, Felino, Johnny Idol in a relevos increíbles match
(11:37 [3:12, 3:50, 4:35], 2/3, ok, via

Carístico, Octagón, Volador Jr. beat Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Negro Casas
(12:44 [3:54, 2:40, 6:10], 2/3, ok, via

What Happened:

Octagon taking a bump

Nothing really. Octagon submitted Negro Casas in the main event in what appears to be his last appearance for the moment.


The main had not much interesting, except for how strongly they’ve put over Octagon in this test run. The crowd enjoyed the match and most of the action on the show, but there’s not much needed to watch. Volador, probably only here because Niebla Roja wasn’t, pretty much worked like it was his day off. He didn’t appear to have gear except for his wristbands and armbands and took it easy. Octagon is the master of looking behind him before he falls down bumping. Negro Casas never looked younger than he did with these guys around him.

Kraneo splash

The semimian was an average match. Kraneo returning to his técnico roots but warped from his years as a weird rudo was a sight to see, and the only thing that seemed to justify the really weird sides. Johnny Idol is trying to bounce his pecs now. It didn’t work. Cavernario wildly smack Angle de Oro from the apron while Idol was going after his mask did work. No one else stood out.

The tercera was a good match in the first fall that slowed down when the rudos took over and didn’t regain pace until much later. Everyone hit their big spots: Misterioso got pinned while not paying attention, Stigma blew a spot, and Sagrado did his best to pick up the pieces. Vangellys forgetting he was meant to be pinning Stigma for the second fall was also a delight. The técnicos didn’t get to make a full comeback and got clowned in the end, which I guess is at different than usual but not don very interestingly. Tirantes was out of his mind in this match often. I don’t know if he’s drinking before these matches but he might as well, because he’s giving off the impression he’s under the influence of something anyway.

Rey Samuray tricky headscissors

Lucha Underground 3×37: Ultima Lucha Tres – Part I

a war


Dr. Wagner & Famous B beat Texano (4:24, Famous B inside cradle, ok)

Killshot defeated Dante Fox in the Hell of War (25:13, two falls to one, excellent)

  1. first blood: Dante Fox backdrop Killshot thru a glass panel to cause him to bleed (10:20)
  2. no DQ Killshot Storm Cradle Driver: (6:12)
  3. stretcher match: Killshot places Dante into the stretcher (8:41)


purposefully avoiding using the finishes as GIFs, you should watch the show yourself to understand these reactions

This show had one match mostly about plot developments and one almost not at all. I mean, Killshot definitely did win the feud over Dante Fox, but that wasn’t the the biggest issue in the moment.

The opener, which appeared to exist just to be something completely different, saw Famous B finally win Texano’s contract. B got a little help from Dario, who made it a real handicap match. B got a little help from the returning (and still masked) Dr. Wagner Jr., though Wagner was visually pinned by Texano before realizing B was the legal match. B got a lot of help from Brenda, who’s flirting with Texano most of the season paid off with a kiss here, and that kiss led to B rolling up Texano for the win. Texano seemed upset about the predicament to end the segment.

The Hell of War was the most ultraviolent style match in the history of Lucha Underground, even outpacing the light tubes of Cero Miedo. Dante found a pane of glass and brought it to ringside to tease a big move off the apron to cut Killshot, brought it inside later, and reversed a Killshot move to send the masked wrestler back first thru the glass to cut him. Dante pulled out barbed wire from underneath the ring during the second fall, but was driven thru it by Killshot, then dropped on his for the tie fall. Killshot seemed enroute to having the third fall won when he had Dante strapped to the stretcher, but went for a double stomp off a railing for even more punishment. This led to a few moves on the stretcher, with barely survived. Dante barely survived as well. He and Killshot fought up to the music platform, with Killshot surprising Dante with a bottle to the end, and Dante taking the plunge off the stage and thru glass to the floor. Killshot picked Dante up and placed him in the ambulance to win the match. Announcers said the feud was over, but praised Dante’s performance in the match.


Dante Fox is the best possible Rob Van Dam

This was incredible. The Lo Mein Pain on the ladder would be a crazy moment in a normal match. It was a normal moment in an utterly crazy match. The effort matched the spectacle Killshot and Dante Fox were two men who wanted to steal Ultima Lucha with their match and completely succeeded. The long length legdrop and the springboard into a Spanish Fly made this match memorable even outside the props. They made the most of what those props too, teasing the moments out so they meant a lot when they happened, and making them feel big when they occurred. The first fall was all chair focused, pushing the importance of cutting each other open to win the fall. The glass pane started on the floor so they could tease a big plunge into it, so they could prepare the fans for the moment when they actually did that plunge two falls later. The barbed wire had near misses, came off a big move, and went into a decisive finish. The end was definitely the end.

This match, a lot like Cero Miedo, is not for everyone. The blood is uncomfortable, the glass is uncomfortable, the barbed wire is uncomfortable, and the piece of Fox’s flesh left behind on the stretcher is super uncomfortable. I don’t want to see this style of match normally, I’m not going to be happy with the lesser imitations that are going to be done, and I hope this is not the style either man has to wrestle in the future. I won’t argue with anyone saying it was too much or maybe not that great idea, because I was considering those same ideas when it happened (and I didn’t even see what Dante laid behind live.)


this is a finish most day

If you’re going to do this kind of match, I prefer you make the most out of it. Dante Fox & Kilslhot made the most out of it, at least the most that can be made out of something on a third season episode of Lucha Underground, and both should be made men going forward. Killshot won and Killshot went two for two in big matches on this season, he’s got to be in store for more. Shane Strickland’s even better now, a year removed from this insanity. But this was really Dante Fox’s night, a LU version of Mick Foley’s 1998 King of the Ring performance that should follow him around forever. The last third of the season was a Dante Fox’s breakout performance, just as strong as Pentagon & Fenix in season 1. If they can come back for a Season 4, he should absolutely be on their level. They don’t even need to turn him face; that win was the turn.

(For what it’s worth, the glass appeared to be sugar when I grabbed a small bit of it from the ring after the match. I was wrong, and LU says it was tempered glass. Still cut them – and Rich Knox! – pretty well.)

As for the other match: it was weird at the time that Texano and Wagner came off as minor figures on this show. This was taped right before they were in the TripleMania title match (with Cage), and they were in a few minute comedy match. Now, it seems about normal for how they’re used on the show. Texano & Wagner as two-thirds of a trio (with Famous B or another partner) might work, and it’s not like they’re going anywhere on their own.

Dante lost his head in this one

Still To Come On Ultima Lucha 3

episode 103 (October 4, Ultima Lucha Week 2)

  • Ivelisse vs Catrina
  • a unique opportunity battle royal with Paul London, Saltador, Mala Suerte, Argenis, Cortez Castro, Son of Madness, Vinnie Massaro, The Mack, Joey Ryan, Ricky Mundo, PJ Black, Mascarita Sagrada, and Pimpinela Escarlata
  • Fenix vs Marty the Moth, mask vs hair

episode 104 (October 11, Ultima Lucha Week 3)

  • Taya vs Sexy Star, last luchadora standing
  • Pentagon Dark vs Son of Havoc for the Gift of the Gods Championship in a Ladder match.

episode 105 (October 18, Ultima Lucha Week 4, the end?)

  • (a match that hasn’t been announced)
  • Cage vs Jeremiah Crane vs Mil Muertes for the gauntlet
  • El Dragon Azteca Jr. vs Matanza Cueto in a cage match
  • Johnny Mundo (c) vs Prince Puma, title versus career for the Lucha Underground championship

great match roundup, week of 2017-09-02

So far behind. I didn’t have any urgency to watch much when nothing else was happening, and really didn’t have much interest either. It’s not far from here to be caught up.

Recommended Matches

rating matches TV Show taped
good The Panther vs Misterioso Jr. in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-05 2017-09-05
good Drago vs the Mack [Aztec Medallion] Lucha Underground: 2017-09-06 2016-06-12
good Cortez Castro vs Joey Ryan [police brawl] and [Aztec medallion] Lucha Underground: 2017-09-06 2016-06-12
good Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone, Mistico vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-09-08 2017-09-08

Other matches watched

rating matches TV Show taped
ok Big Mami vs Lady ShaniGoya KongLa Hiedra in a AAA’s Reina de Reinas Tournament match and in a Number One Contenders Match match AAA Worldwide en Aguascalientes Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Eliminatoria para sacar retadora al Reina de Reinas AAA en Triplemania XXV (posted by Nada mas que lucha libre) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-02 2017-07-27
ok Pagano & Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & El MesíasAAA Worldwide en Aguascalientes Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-02 2017-07-27
ok Black Tiger, Lestat, Tigre Rojo Jr. vs El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-04 2017-09-04
ok Asturiano, París, Último Dragóncito vs Joker, Pequeño Nitro, Pequeño Olímpico LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-04 2017-09-04
ok Ángel de Oro, Drone, Soberano Jr. vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Vangellys LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-04 2017-09-04
ok Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Valiente vs Cavernario, Mr. Niebla, Sam Adonis LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-04 2017-09-04
ok Mistico, Octagón, Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Kojima, Último Guerrero LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 4 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-04 2017-09-04
ok Fiero & Magia Blanca vs Espíritu Negro & Grako LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-05 2017-09-05
ok Drone, Pegasso, Star Jr. vs Cancerbero, Forastero, NitroLUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-05 2017-09-05
ok Lady Maravilla, Princesa Sugehit, Sanely vs Amapola, Dalys, Tiffany LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-05 2017-09-05
ok Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Johnny Idol vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Hechicero, Pólvora LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-05 2017-09-05
ok Carístico, Diamante Azul, Stuka Jr. vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 5 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-09-05 2017-09-05
ok Matanza vs Paul LondonMala SuerteSaltador Lucha Underground: 2017-09-06 2016-06-12
ok Astral & Oro Jr. vs Akuma & Espanto Jr. LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-09-08 2017-09-08
ok Drone, Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-09-08 2017-09-08
ok Rey Cometa, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr. vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Sam Adonis LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-09-08 2017-09-08
ok Titán vs Rey Bucanero in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-09-08 2017-09-08
below average Angélico vs Joe Lider AAA Worldwide en Aguascalientes Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-02 2017-07-27
below average Diamante Azul, Valiente, Volador Jr. vs Kojima, Pierroth, Rush LUCHA LIBRE VIERNES ESPECTACULAR DE ARENA MEXICO 8 DE SEPTIEMBRE DEL 2017 FUNCION COMPLETA (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL on 2017-09-08 2017-09-08
not rated Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker AAA Worldwide en Aguascalientes Parte 2 - Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide - Agosto 2017 (posted by Lucha Libre AAA) Raptor, Drago y Aerostar vs El Poder del Norte por el Campeonato de Tercias AAA (posted by Nada mas que lucha libre) AAA on Televisa: 2017-09-02 2017-07-27
watch later Villano III Jr. vs Imposible El Imposible vs Villano III Jr., mano a mano en IWRG (Resumen) (posted by +LuchaTV) El Imposible vs Villano III Jr., mano a mano en IWRG Arena Naucalpan (posted by +LuchaTV) Imposible vs Villano 3 Jr en mano a mano en la Arena Naucalpan (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Villano III Jr. vs Imposible (posted by thecubsfan) IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-09-04 2017-09-03
watch later Bombero Infernal vs Eterno for the hair Bombero Infernal vs Eterno, hair vs hair (posted by thecubsfan) Cabellera vs Cabellera: Eterno vs Bombero Infernal en IWRG TV (posted by IWRG tv) Eterno vs Bombero Infernal ¡¡¡ CABELLERA vs CABELLERA !!! (posted by Estrellas del Ring) Eterno vs Bombero Infernal, cabellera vs cabellera en IWRG *Lucha Completa* (posted by +LuchaTV) IWRG Zona XXI: 2017-09-04 2017-09-03