I added 1985 lucha libre lineups, mostly from the cities Torreon and Gomez Palacio, to the luchadb database over the last week. They’re integrated the different pages of this site, and they’re also just available here.
This is a slow continuing project to mine the El Siglo de Torreon archive for lucha lineups and results. It’s one of the few Mexican newspaper archives available online, and the archives aren’t hard to access. I did the usual keyword search for articles and looked thru the sports section every Thursday and Sunday for extra posters. I’m sure I missed a few, but it’s as complete as I get it. I’ve done these in the distant past and stopped mentioning with a post because there didn’t seem to be much interest, but I’ve come around to realizing this is a lot of work so I owe myself a post out of it, and not much interest in what I’m writing hasn’t really stopped me from writing anything else
This is where I’m at in this project
1940-1964 not started
1965-1967 kind of in the db?
1969-1979 not started
1986-1989 archive search done, need to be typed up
1990-1998 not done
2006-2006 weirdly not done
My plan was to finish typing up 86-89 and then alternate back to magazine work. But I’ve been thinking about Condor Dorado (Ultimo Guerrero) debuts in 1990 and it’d be cool to have some of those lineups found, so maybe I’ll change. Typing up the four years I’ve got done is going to take some time either way.
The 1985 ones generally follow the booking patterns ones from previous years: local feuds lead to apuesta matches when they lead anywhere, and title matches are almost non-existent. There’s a trios tournament that’s starts and ends without making any sense, so it’s normal.
3 bits from the 1985 lineups
The affiliations to the various Sunday arenas seem to change a little bit over time, but the Thursday Arena Olimpico Laguna is solidly with UWA/LLI/El Toreo. Maybe Dr. Wagner came up thru there and was more willing to go back, but it’s still surprising to see him and Solitario around their peak considering how stars almost never come up there now. Did they pay better then? Was getting there cheaper/easier? Did they just lose the booking connection when UWA went away? I dunno.
They’re well into Pantera del Ring being an exciting youngster who’s moving up the cards and it’s impossible to reconcile this with current day Ephesto. I know they are the same people but I’m not sure I believe it. He’s often partners with a guy named Megatron, who’s later end up feuding with him for years.
Business is good enough to have three local arenas running on most weekends, though which arenas are running various greatly
DTU (THU) 06/29/2017Arena Aficion [+LuchaTV]
1) Erwing & Irwing b Billy & Hard Boy
2) Toto b Príncipe Cometa, Voldemort, Astrolux, Pardux, Black Metal, Drolux, Rey Kingston
3) Camuflaje & Tony Iron b Aero Boy & Hormiga DTU vs X-LAW. Tony Iron & Camuflaje are new members of X-LAW (which also included Halloween, ANgel o Demonio, Pesadilla, Dragon Yuki, Gio and Junior.) Camuflaje challenged La Hormiga to a title match.
4) Dragón Yuki, Gio, Junior, Pesadilla b El Exótico, Jimmy, Kevin, Príncipe Cometa
5) Crazy King b Markus Crane, D-Pólux Jr., Moria, Tiburón
6) Ángel o Demonio & Halloween b Paranoiko & Tóxico and Corsario Negro Jr. & Ovett The other X-LAW members helped Halloween & Angel O Demonio won, then attacked Ovett & Corsario Negro Jr. after the match.
7) Cíclope & Miedo Extremo b Jimmy Lloyd & Matt Tremont said to be very good match. Markus Crane & Crazy King both got involved. Miedo Extremo needed five stitches after the match.
About the usual turnout and changes for a DTU show. Super Mega & Mike Segura are the two notable names who were listed but didn’t end up appearing. +LuchaTV was at this show so we might see this on their channel. DTU is Queretaro tonight, with the GCW trio of Matt Tremont, Markus Crane and Jimmy Lloyd take on Ovett, Paranoiko and Toxico in the main event.
Both AAA & CMLL are active tonight. AAA is running it’s (about) annual June Puebla taping, while CMLL kicks off their own yearly Universal tournament.
CMLL’s Universal tournament usually goes to one of the top stars of the promotion. Last year, it went to Valiente, who was treated as a top star for a few months and then returned to being Valiente. It does make it more uncertain who’s got a chance this time, since CMLL has shown more people are in contention (and it matters even less.) In this block:
Normal finalists: Volador Jr., Negro Casas, Dragon Lee, Valiente Outside Chances: Shocker, Hechicero, maybe Angel de Oro No: Luciferno.
Another way to look at it
Good Idea For Three Matches Tonight: Volador Jr., Negro Casas, Dragon Lee, Hechciero OK Idea For Three Matches Tonight: Valiente, Angel de Oro Still No: Lucifierno please no don’t do it this would be bad for everyone: Shocker
This could be a fun series of (short) matches if CMLL plays it out nicely, but it’s dependent on how much CMLL in in denial Shocker. He still gets a reaction of people recognizes him, and CMLL hasn’t moved him off the top matches, but he’s struggling back fro his latest injury and was already greatly diminished by prior injuries. CMLL should be aware that putting Shocker in multiple matches is bad for him and bad for them, but they’re doing a Pierroth/Vangellys feud so I’m not sure how much they care about bad matches. Today’s also is the Copa Bobby Bonales, and that should be the thing Shocker wins
The undercard has good matches, though some things are going to have to be cut short to fit everything in. The semimain is Misterioso, Pierroth, and Rush versus Vangellys, Rey Bucanero and Terrible, which seems like something that should go two falls to build up that hair match in two weeks. I wonder if Misterioso still remembers when Pierroth & Rush buried him and Sagrado for being lazy. (The CMLL preview slightly references that.)
The rest is rivalry-less trios which all have some promise. Atlantis, Blue Panther and Gran Alterantiva winner Soberano take on Dragon Rojo, Mephisto and Sam Adonis, which seems like Soberano’s reward for winning the tournament. The second match has the great combo of Guerrero Maya, Rey Cometa, Titan taking on Polvora, Ripper and Virus, who’s won six of his last seven matches. The opener looks extraordinary for that position, with Drone teaming up with the Panther and Pegasso against the Nueva Generacion Dinamitas.
The show will air on ClaroSports and probably on Facebook. Hopefully it’ll air complete, I think we’ll all be frustrated if it starts late again and we miss that opener. I want to go on Twitter and ask them to make sure to start the feed on time this week, but I don’t think I can do it without sounding annoying.
AAA taped tonight in Puebla. Like all shows, we have a card and an expectation that none of the matches will happen as listed. It’s going to be more of a problem than usual, since the show was hyped locally around three singles matches (Psycho/Pagano, Mesias/Wagner, Mundo/Texano). None of those matches make sense with current AAA storylines.
I made a dumb mistake a couple days ago: I said Johnny Mundo wouldn’t be on TV for months, but he’s listed on the TV taping tonight. I guess I could still end up being correct – Mundo hadn’t mentioned the AAA show as of this morning – but AAA at least has him scheduled for tonight.
The undercard makes a little more sense than the main event: Poder del Norte is supposed to face the Aerostar/Drago/Raptor, and that match is actually supposed to happen based on what they said up on the last show. There’s not telling about the rest. The show is listed as starting at 9pm, and we probably won’t get notes on the show until about 40 minutes later. AAA’s a month ahead on taping, and these matches won’t start airing until 07/29. Maybe there should be an expectation of some TripleMania announced since the card will probably announced before the following taping airs, but that’s not the way AAA has worked this year.
PWInsider has a report saying Drago & Hijo del Fantasma are allowed to appear on Impact because AAA hold the rights to their characters, any character AAA hold the rights to can appear on Impact, and Lucha Underground had nothing to do with the deal.
This report, which seems sourced from Lucha Underground production, does not fully make sense. It’s not “AAA” who owns the rights to Drago in the US, AAA gave those rights to “Lucha Libre FMV”. That parent company owns all the AAA LU names and all the LU names the same. It’s in the US trademark search and not hard to find.
If the only issue is who has the rights to the character, then Ricochet or Sami Callihan or anyone should’ve been allowed to appear on Ring of Honor or NJPW’s US show under their non-LU characters. Both have indicated on Twitter that they were told no to showing up on TV elsewhere, because the actual human beings can only work on TV for LU. This sure seems like AAA & LU rewriting contracts to their own advantage. I’m open less cynical explanations.
This is generally unimportant, since LU & AAA can do what they want to do and disadvantaged LU wrestlers will probably just continue to try to wait them out because it’s too costly to fight legally. Maybe important is I’d assume Impact would like to have AAA officials at Impact to promote the international partnership – if Dorian Roldan is there, we’ll probably get at least one good story of him and Konnan “reuniting.”
Asturiano & Vegabeat El Perverso & Joker (15:26 [8:04, 4:43, 2:39], 1/3, ok?, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Amapola & Dalys beat Marcela & Sanely (10:53 [2:37, 2:37, 5:39], 1/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Espíritu Maligno, Fuego, Pegassobeat Ares, Arkángel de la Muerte, Black Tiger (10:57 [5:09, 2:24, 3:24], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Felino, Puma, Tiger beat Drone, Johnny Idol, Stuka Jr. (12:14 [4:08, 2:52, 5:14], 1/3, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Dragón Leebeat Negro Casasin a lightning match (7:16, hanging double stomp, good, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Niebla Roja, Rey Bucanero, Terrible beat Pierroth, Rush, Último Guerrero in a relevos increíbles match (9:26 [2:02, 2:20, 5:04], 2/3, ok, via VideosOficialesCMLL)
Ultimo Guerrero fouled Niebla Roja once again.
Dragon Lee beat Negro Casas to end their feud.
Ares and Espiritu Maligno feuded all match, with Maligno getting the pin as a surprise. They set up a hair match for next week.
Dalys beat Marcela with a powerbomb and a handful of the ropes. They also made challenges for next week.
This was a better Puebla show than usual, because it actually had multiple good matches.
Dragon Lee/Negro Casas was fun while it lasted. Negro sprung on Dragon Lee from the start and they kept up the fast pace thru the seven minutes. It was much heavier striking match than normal for lucha libre, and one without the loud impact noises this match might have elsewhere. Some of it looked like it wasn’t quite close enough, but enough of it worked. They didn’t do dives, they only di a few holds, but they had the intensity the whole way and Negro took big bumps like ever. Casas’s quickness at this point in his career is amazing; he doesn’t move like a 50 year old. This is worth watching.
The fourth match was really good too. Drone does really well in these Puma & TIger matches, but everyone seemed out and the match was laid out nicely. The second fall finishing minute was really well done, and Stuka accidentally landing the splash on Idol was an unexpected twist. (Maybe Puma & Tiger want to cover and then pose instead of the other way.) Drone putting his arms on his tope like he’s a plane is a great development. I liked this match more than the lightning match and it was not that far off from being great.
Both the opener and the women’s match weren’t far off. The opener was close to as good as it’s going to be with the first match limitations. It started out slow, but the rudos showed good personality – this is the first time we’ve really seen that much out of Perverso – and the tecnicos did all they could. The women’s match worked quickly and the rudas were nicely aggressive in their match. They didn’t go too long while still doing a tease for Marcela/Dalys next week. Sanely tries, but she’s got timing issues and seems to forget exactly what they’re doing at times. She’s not hopeless but there’s room to improve.
It took me most of a fall to notice Black Tiger was a rudo in the second match. He was as boring as usual. The crowd was into to Ares/Espiritu at the end, so it’s good it’s those guys who are paying and not me. The main event was mailed in; Rush doing the corner charge bit twice in a two minute fall was amazing in it’s laziness. Not sure why they did the finish with Niebla Roja & Ultimo Guerrero when Niebla Roja iasn’t back here next week, but probably because they don’t care if it makes sense.
AAA starts on the Ciudad Juarez show, which happens to be Verano de Escandalo. I’ve an educated guess that the Mascara de Bronce match, the tag team title match and the Pimpinela/Mamba hair match are airing this week.
Lucha Underground concludes the first round of the Cueto Cup, and this appears to be the last show with 4 tournament matches on one night. Dragon Azteca/Dante Fox looks like the big match, and the preview suggest we’re going to get Fox’s backstory this week.
CMLL Claro has Block A of CMLL Universal tournament, or the competition to find out who gets to face Ultimo Guerrero in the final
I’m scheduling other things to do during CMLL Puebla.
I didn’t realize the genius of this until now: the Oficials lost their hair, and their next IWRG appearance is on the show where everyone gets to wear their mask.
All matches were taped at Gimnasio Olímpico Juan de la Barrera, Ciudad de México, Distrito Federal on 05/26/2017
Mini Psycho Clown defeated Dinastía to win the AAA World Minis Championship
(9:05, powerbomb w/rope grab, good)
Argenis & La Parka beat Averno, Chessman, Súper Fly
(7:47, Argenis inside cradle Chessman, below average)
Dr. Wagner Jr. & Psycho Clown beat Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. (8:58, Psycho inside cradle Texano, ok)
OGT, to start the show and before their match, took credit for running Ricky Marvin out of town. They didn’t seem to mention him by name in all of this, but Ricky’s not been back yet. It was explained that Vampiro ordered the trios match to be a 3 v 2 handicap match instead. OGT dominated 90% of the match, but still lost when Pirata Morgan convinced OGT he was on their side only to trip up Chessman for an Argenis cradle. Pirata again had words for La Parka.
Mini Psycho Clown beat Dinastia to win the minis title, thanks to some help from Mamba and a grab of the rope that was missed by the referee. Pimpinela was Dinastia’s second and, like all tecnico seconds, completely useless.
Neither team wanted to work with each other all that much in the main event, but they didn’t do a traditional tag match so it didn’t come up much. Dr. Wagner eventually tried to steal a pin from Psycho Clown (who illogically hit this finishing Canadian Destroyer and decided going to the top rope was better than a pin) and later hit Psycho Clown with a chair. He also hit his opponents with the same chair, which was not a DQ this week. Everyone popped back to life, Texano charged at Fantasma for no reason, and never made it there before Psycho rolled him up.
Fantasma & Texano brawled thru the crowd and to the back after their match. Poder del Norte sneak attacked Wagner & Psycho Clown, and were about to cut a promo when OGT interrupted. Averno demanded a trios title shot at Verano de Escandalo. Psycho & Wagner took both teams out with dives and brawled with them. The rudos all just sort of left, and Wagner & Psycho came to the ring to tease a fight. There was less to this than the last two times it happened, with both guys just standing and teasing that fight for a couple minutes to get the crowd going, then Wagner knocking Psycho down and pulling off his mask.
The NotiAAA bit was just about the NFL players training lucha libre. The NotiAAA segment is all “AAA in the news” with no build up anything, which is odd.
The match quality was a little bit better than usual, but the finishes on those show were really not any good. The minis match ended with a powerbomb with a rope grab before either man really had come close to winning, the second match ended with a distraction to set up an inside cradle, the third match ended with a distraction to set up an inside cradle. Distraction cradle finishes are the worst.
The main event was really a long four way billed as a tag match. They didn’t have the unlikely teams work as teams at all, just brawling in different one on one combinations until the finish. It gave the match a lot of energy if not particular direction. They might have had both if they just put the guys in logical team, but that would’ve missed out on the pointless pin stealing and chair shots. The finish looked like someone actually forgot or screwed up a spot and they needed the fastest way out, because it just didn’t fit.
The post match promos were another situation where the people putting this together knew the Verano de Escandalo match was meant to be a tag match with Psycho & Wagner being forced to team against their will, were building to that match, and just couldn’t/wouldn’t communicate that to their fanbase. Instead, this is the final show before Verano de Escandalo in airing and the normal viewer would have no idea it was meant to start airing next week or what big matches would happen. I don’t understand the advantage of obscuring what you’re promoting but it does seem intentional at this point.
AAA’s absolutely building Psycho Clown versus Dr. Wagner with the idea that Psycho Clown will finally beat Wagner at TripleMania. It’s the same thing as last year with Pagano. They’re not technically doing the singles matches but giving the same visuals.
There’s no way the Pirata Morgan stuff is ever going to make sense. It’s just not going to happen. The handicap match made sense but wasn’t any good for the long beatdown. AAA’s in Mexico City, they could’ve found a tecnico to fill in, but did the lame match and the lame finish instead. Super Fly is still cool though.
The minis title match wasn’t as bad as I thought it might be, though it’s helped that the standards for these things are low. There’s usually nonstop interference by the seconds to the point; they “limited” it here to a half dozen spots and let them wrestle uninterrupted for minutes at a time. Still, Mini Psycho couldn’t get control without Mamba repeatedly tripping Dinastia, and was all in the ring to set up the finish. I don’t think the match did anything to get people more interested in Mamba versus Pimpinela, it was slight enough that it didn’t help Mini Psycho and it didn’t work with Vampiro reversing important finishes with the rudos cheat in other matches – except maybe it confirmed this was not an important match. There were a few highlights, but also the crowd wasn’t in the match otherwise – just throwing these guys out there with no reason behind them hurt. (The crowd generally seemed less into the show than usual on AAA’s tapings in Mexico City.) I think these two could probably have a better rematch, but both were barely used before or after and are clearly not in the plans right now.
No IWRG last night. There was an enormous rain storm in the Mexico City area, causing bad flooding in some areas. The conditions looked unsafe to get people to the wrestling show, so they canceled the show.
DTU starts it’s weekend tour tonight in Arena Aficion. They’re bringing in extreme wrestlers from GCW this time around, with Ciclope & Miedo Extremo taking on Jimmy Lloyd & Matt Tremont in the main event. The other story is Angel o Demonio joining the X-Law side and trying to convince Ovett to join him. They’re partners in the semimain tonight.
CMLL Informa announced Satoshi Kojima as being on Team World for the Gran Prix. This would be Kojima’s debut in Mexico. He’s popular among NJPW fans, but not really known that much in Mexico; the announcement of Kojima participating led to JCR and Ultimo Guerrero talking about everyone but Kojima. (It sounded like UG would like another match with Michael Elgin.) He’ll do fine, and he’ll probably be more over in his Lucha Memes appearance because that’s higher concentrated amount of educated fans, but I kind of thing he’ll just be a Japanese guy to most of the crowd unless CMLL spends some time building him up.
The WON has a story about Sanada coming to CMLL; he was the guy being quietly rumored as being added yesterday before Kojima was announced. There are four spots (or three spots if Marco’s right) left so he could still be added later. Sanada wrestled a little bit in Mexico before going to NJPW and would probably fit in better, but would continue the pattern of NJPW sending their B/C heavyweight type guys and not their top guys or the juniors who might fit in better.
CMLL Informa also had JCR mention that NJPW & ROH wrestlers would only be working in CMLL and likewise with CMLL wrestlers, but Caristico and Sam Adonis were actually independents and so they might be working other places. (I guess Marty Scurll, Cody and the Young Bucks must also actually be indenpedents in CMLL’s thought process.) It didn’t seem connected to anything, except JCR must’ve known those guys were about to be announced for someone else, and today Caristico was announced for an Ultimo Dragon Fiesta show with AJPW on 08/19. They’re treating it like a DragonMania show in Japan. I suspect Adonis will be on that show too.
Imapct announced the tag title team match on Slammiversary will be LAX versus AAA’s Hijo Fantasma & Drago versus NOAH’s Marafuji & Ishimori versus The Crash’s Laredo Kid & Garza Jr. That should be a pretty good match and that’s important. It’s also a match that seems totally impossible to happen in Mexico. Impact themselves refers to the The Crash promotion in the press release (though the NOAH team is treated as a much bigger deal since they’re guests.) I’d think the state of things means the Crash and AAA teams can’t lose to each other, but Impact’s gone this far, who knows how much they can get these two promotions to get along for a PPV that’ll maybe get seen by 20,000 people.
Lucha Underground has been deathly quiet on this situation. And everything else of late.
It’s unclear how luchadors will be signing up: Octagon says the group has a Facebook page, but doesn’t link to it and I can’t find it. I suspect people working a show with Octagon in the near future will be getting sales pitches. Fuerza Guerrera (men), Lady Apache (women), Hijo del Fishman (juniors), Mini Rey Misterio (minis) and Yuriko (exoticos) were announced as heads of various divisions. It seems odd there’s all these groups and it’s this is one of those things that people are going to have see in action to believe it’s going to help them. Octagon says there’s a Facebook with more information, but there’s no Facebook page I can find. I suspect he’ll be pitching guys strongly at shows he works on.
Octagon said they would not be working with the existing Mexico City lucha libre commission, calling Fantasma corrupt. The reports have no explanation why he felt that way, but I’d guess it has something to do with siding with AAA over him. Octagon also said he won his court case for the name over AAA. For what it’s worth, Mexico’s trademark search still shows AAA owns the name.
Hijo del Santo’s quest to get Mexico City to pay for a Santo museum must not be going well: in this interview, he speculates about taking it to Hidalgo or Puebla.
An interview with Laguna luchador Tackle, who’s sons wrestle as Tackle Jr. & Bala de Plata Jr. (Bala de Plata is Tackle’s brother.) Tackle was Funebre Jr., but a guy named Raiders named a football tag team partner.
watching five different CMLL shows burned me out on watching things for a few days (and I had better things to do anyway) so that’s why this is going up on Thursday. A lot of the extra stuff wasn’t really that interesting and I probably should choose wiser but I wouldn’t be here if I made sound decisions.
Mil Muertes beat Veneno (1:08, Flatliner, not rated)
Paul London beat Vibora (3:53, COR with Rabbit Tribe holding Vibora, below average)
Taya beat Joey Ryan (3:34, northern lights suplex into double stomp, OK)
Jeremiah Crane defeated Killshot (13:02, Cranial Contusion, great)
This week started Block C of Cueto Cup. The 32 person field means it’s still just non-contenders quickly getting whittled away, but there was one upset of note and one competitive match.
The focus was on the Mil Muertes, Catrina and Jeremiah Crane love triangle. When we last left them, Crane was trying to win Catrina over by costing Mil matches, only Catrina told Crane that it wasn’t Mil she loved. Crane was apparently unconvinced by Catrina. After seeing Mil declare his love for her and advance in the tournament, Crane destroyed Mil in the bathroom. Catrina stared at Crane with unclear intentions at the end of the show.
Crane could stare at her, because he won a lengthy and close match up with Killshot. Killshot landed his top rope double stomp but Crane kicked out. Killshot went for a a different finish, but was distracted by the voice of Dante Fox. Fox was high up in the balcony, and talked just enough to cause Killshot to lose his focus and his match. They’re not done with each other.
The Rabbit Tribe isn’t done. Paul London became the only member of his trio to advance to the second round, with the help of a carrot and his partners holding Vibora outside for the countout. The was another silly match, but one where the silliness seemed to be intended as a method of working around Vibora’s limitations.
Taya defeated Joey Ryan cleanly in the other first round match. While both Veneno and Joey Ryan were present, there was no movement on the police front.
The second round matches in this block are Taya versus Crane and Mil Muertes versus Paul London. Tonight’s show clearly pointed towards a Crane versus Muertes final.
The show concluded with Dario showing off the final first round in the office. Dario delivered the performance of a lifetime when he excitedly promoted Sexy Star/PJ Black, but there’s was still a blank spot against Son of Havoc. Dario’s guest requested the final spot for himself, and then introduced himself: Son of Madness. He looks a lot like Son of Havoc, with the same mask, gear and beard, but a bit bigger.
This show also included the weekly Road to Mundo versus Mysterio video segment, this time asking others who they were picking. They were almost out of character – Chavo was listed as a retired luchador but sitting in the Temple, Cage didn’t have his glove. For what it’s worth, Chavo & Prince Puma picked Rey, Cage picked Johnny Mundo and Striker didn’t pick a side.
This was a one match show, with Killshot & Jeremiah Crane getting tons of time to do their match and everything else kept short. There’s no problem with that if these were the other three matches to have: Joey Ryan and Taya was best in a small dose, Mil Muertes shouldn’t be giving much to a Veneno, and Vibora’s not ready for TV. Paul London was his opponent to carry the match thru Vibora’s limitations. They were only going to Vibora to do one thing, get in London’s path on the dive so London doesn’t fall dangerously, and Vibora couldn’t do that one thing. The best thing to happen here is we don’t have to see Vibora in a match by himself for a long time.
The Killshot/Jeremiah Crane match was obviously a way to give two underexposed characters a bigger spotlight this season. They didn’t know the break was happening when they filmed it, but that too makes it more necessary to remind you who these guys are and why you should care. The storylines themselves weren’t all that compelling – it felt cheap for the match to end on a distraction after all the big move kickouts, and the Crane/Catrina stuff feels a little forced – but the match itself was pretty excited. Jeremiah Crane is Sami Callihan with a few more demented expressions and this was pretty much the Sami Callihan quick & fast paced action indie match. Strickland kept up and the crowd ate it up. The series of dives to start the match felt a little bit much and they were really laying in on the sound effects, but this worked as a way to get attention back on those two guys and made them both feel like people you needed to keep an eye on every time they were around. It’s really the only thing you need to pay attention for this show.
Vangellysbeat Pierrothin a lightning match (5:17, inside cradle w/ropes, below average, via thecubsfan)
Ángel de Oro, Dragón Lee, Niebla Rojabeat Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero (11:09 [0:58, 4:45, 5:26], 1/3, ok, via thecubsfan)
Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. beatCavernario, Euforia, Rushin a relevos increíbles match (8:07 [3:06, 5:01], 1 DQ/2, below average, thecubsfan)
Diamante Azul returned from another trip to France to get his mask destroyed in the first fall. When he finally got a new one, his comeback led to an almost instant win for his team, with Rush pinning Azul.
Angel de Oro pinned Gran Guerrero cleanly as they feuded all match.
Vangellys used the ropes to beat Pierroth, then challenged him to a hair match. He got a response from Rush, sneaking in behind to club Vangellys. The Munoz family destroyed Vangellys while accepting his challenge.
Dalys tried to distract referee Edgar long enough for Zeuxis to toss her mask to Princesa Sugehit. Dalys didn’t do her part long enough, and Edgar turned around in plenty of time to watch Zeuxis commit the deed. Edgar considered giving the match to the rudas for the briefest of moments before raising Sugehit’s arm.
Estrellita had a shoulder brace on, which probably explains why she started missing matches after this show.
This was a marked step down from previous shows. None of the matches were particular good and some were just not good. The matches around the feuds didn’t come off as strong as usual.
The main event was derailed by Rush doing too good for a job destroying Diamante Azul’s mask. Everyone pretty much stopped until he could find a new one, and then the match went about 20 seconds after he came back. That was no good. The match was no good.
Both the semimain and the women’s match pushed those feuds fine, but there was not a lot to the matches. The finish in the women’s match came off as it was messed up and Edgar was left to DQ Zeuxis when that wasn’t the finish, but also that didn’t matter at all. The semimain had Angel de Oro & Niebla Roja showing off a lot of tag team moves for a team that’s not booked as a 2v2 team. It probably should be a tag feud against Gran Guerrero & Último Guerrero, but that requires the promotion to have tag team titles.
Vangellys & Pierroth was predictably poor in outcome, though I was mildly surprised how they got there. Sons modeling their wrestling styles after their fathers is normal, but I can’t recall a father trying to be a fourth rate clone of his son like Pierroth did here. He’s not very good at it, completely lacking the charisma that makes it work for Rush, and it left a match where neither man was doing much. Pierroth wasn’t going to do much than brawl, and it came off as if they weren’t trusting Vangellys to do any moves to him. The one thing Pierroth could do was his big second rope senton, so of course Vangellys barely sold it and went right to the finish after it. I can not believe someone thinks it’s a good idea to do a longer version of this match.
The minis match got good in the third fall and Stukita’s established enough that the fans pick up the moment he gets in the ring. They could do more with him, but they won’t, so it didn’t feel like it mattered much.
CMLL (TUE) 06/27/2017Arena México [CMLL, NotiMex]
1) Cholo & Templario b Bengala & Sangre Imperial
2) Astral, Magnus, Robin b Artillero, Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo an Astral team actually won, taking falls 2/3
3) Raziel, Sagrado, Virus b Johnny Idol, Oro Jr., Stigma Raziel remains invincible
4) Esfinge b Disturbio [lightning] nudo egipico in 8:33
5) Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto b Fuego, Soberano Jr., Stuka Jr.
6) Diamante Azul, Mistico, Niebla Roja DQ Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Último Guerrero Gran Guerrero fouled Niebla Roja and then unmasked him after the match.
CMLL’s definitely switched the feud from Niebla Roja versus Ultimo Guerrero to Niebla Roja versus Gran Guerrero. I don’t know what it means for matches down the road, but there’s definitely was a shift.
There’s so much stuff going on that this needs headers today.
CMLL Press Conference
CMLL held what was billed as a Gran Prix focused press conference, which turned out to be at least a little bit of a bait and switch. You can watch the whole thing here if you’d like.
CMLL did announce Team Mexico. It’s Ultimo Guerrero, Mephisto, Euforia, Dragon Lee, Diamante Azul, Valiente, Volador Jr., and Rush. They did not announce a single new person for Team World. They instead said one more person will be announced Informa this week. They didn’t say when the other four would be announced, but I’d suspect we’ll continue to get the slow roll out via Informa for a while. (Lucha Memes was hyped about a unnamed Japanese lucahdor debuting, so that may be the announcement in a few hours.)
It was underwhelming to only get Team Mexico, especially with the absurd of inviting the press for an announcement and then saving more of it for your internet show seen by a few thousand people. They heavily pushed the Rest of the World team would be made up of “mainly ROH & NJPW” talent. They had flags for Tonga, the US, Japan and New Zealand hanging, which seems to indicate there’s reps coming for those last two countries. (Though why bother hanging them if one country wasn’t going to be announced until later and one not at all today?)
The real thing CMLL was pushing with the Vangellys/Pierroth hair match, which was set for July 14. It’s the same night as the Universal final. They had the usual contract signing and face off, though not coming to blows. Vangellys said he’s going after Rush after he gets thru Pierroth. He’s not getting thru Pierroth.
Bobby Bonales talked about the Copa Bobby Bonales, which CMLL already wrote an article about. Daniel Aceves announced the Copa would go both to a man and a woman. Usually, CMLL books the winner on the show so they can get it before the match, but there are not any women booked. Maybe that means neither winner will be wrestling.
A women’s cibernetico will be held on July 21st, called Copa Natalia Vázquez. Vazquez is credited as being the first ever Mexican luchadora, wrestling in the original Arena Mexico in 1935 as past of Mildred Burke’s troupe. Marcela, Princesa Sugehit and Zeuxis were brought onto to talk about the tournament. It’ll be held one week after the Mae Young Classic is taped in WWE (but before it airs, I believe) and seems like it could be the turning point in the the Zeuxis/Sugehit mask match. Those two talked about the possibility of having a mask match at the Anniversary show, and Sugehit’s participation in WWE would be wrapped up well before then.
The big news from AAA’s press conference came after the cameras stopped rolling. In an interview with MedioTiempo, Dorian Roldan stated TripleMania will not be changing it’s date. They will continue to run August 26, the same night as the Mayweather/McGregor fight. Roldan also revealed the show will take place at 9pm, which means the show will definitely still be going on as that fight is happening. (TripleMania usually starts much earlier, but it also usually runs on a Sunday instead of a Saturday.) AAA’s belief is they would rescheduled if they were holding the event in the US, but believe enough people in Mexico will still care about the show as to not move it.
Roldan went on to say that the Leo Riano story of airing TripleMania on TV is incorrect, and they have “great possibilities” of the usual PPV. They’re also in talks with an unnamed US TV outlet to air TripleMania on a delay. Nothing appears to have been said about internet PPV.
Delayed airing doesn’t sound promising to US AAA fans, but it’s big news if it happens at all. It would be the first time an AAA branded show aired in the US since they were on Galavision in 2011. At that time, the rights to the AAA show were part of a bundle of Televisa programming sold exclusively to Galavision. AAA had no control of where they would air or if they would air, they could only try to convince Galavision to air their program. Eventually the people in charge of Galavision decided they weren’t interested in airing lucha libre. Subsequently, people with Lucha Underground have said they have exclusive TV rights to AAA luchadors, and attempts at airing English versions of AAA’s product in the US have ended up crashing into that wall. (This is why people who get the Fight Network in the US do not get the AAA show at last check.)
If TripleMania airs in some form in the US, that’ll be another thing said not to be allowed under AAA & Lucha Underground’s contract that’s now being done by AAA. Perhaps Dorian Roldan being elevated in the Lucha Underground power structure has allowed him to rewrite those deals or choose which parts to enforce, but the relationship is definitely changing.
(Leo Riano’s not correct a lot, even on AAA stories despite working for AAA. If there were 20 people n the know writing weekly lucha libre columns I’d definitely be skipping his.)
Octagon has a press conference today announcing the ANLPI (Association of National Professional Independent Luchadors.) This goes back to last year, when Octagon announced plans to form some sort of group for luchadors to protect their rights following his own issues with AAA.
This happened at the same time as the CMLL press conference and I caught very little of it, so hopefully more details on it tomorrow.
DTU had press conferences for their tour, which starts tomorrow in Arena Aficion. Angel o Demonio defected to the X-LAW side, leaving Los Porros for the moment – but he’s still booked with Ovett on matches on this tour.
Lucha Underground, who are having a TV show and not a press conference
Tonight’s Lucha Underground is episode 3×24, “Macho Madness”. It’ll be the third block of the first round of the Cueto Cup
If we all stick together and stay strong, we’ll be able to survive Taya versus Joey Ryan.
The episode guide preview points at this being a Jeremiah Crane/Mil Muertes/Catrina focused episode. Both of the police officers are on the show as well, so maybe we’ll get something there. This would also be the week to reveal who Son of Havoc is facing in the tournament if they’re going to do it in advance.
I guess this is Lucha Underground too: Josh Mathews says he was offered the Lucha Underground play by play gig. He was not the first pick: Mathews story is LU offered the job to him originally, he was impressed but the (seven season) contracts were too much for him. If you recall, that was a big issue right before the first set of tapings, where a lot of talent were pushing back at the length of contracts being offered and LU was having trouble filling out their cast.
Mathews says LU contacted him again right before the first set of tapings, because the person they were bringing in to call the show from Mexico had visa problems. (Those were the same visa issues that caused Pentagon, Fenix, and Drago to miss the first two episodes and caused everything up to Aztec Warfare to be rewritten; we need an oral history of those first episodes once this is all over.) Josh was willing to just work the shows, but was otherwise busy, and that’s how they ended up calling Matt Striker.
I’m not sure who the Mexican PBP announce would’ve been. Maybe they meant Hugo Savinovich, who ended up doing the Spanish PBP only, but I don’t think he would’ve been in Mexico, he may live in the US and didn’t need a visa. Maybe it would’ve been Jesus Zuniga, which would’ve been a disaster. Maybe it would’ve been someone else? Josh is loathed by fans of Impact and the bickering announcing storyline is death, but he was fine on the World Cup should and probably would’ve been fine on Lucha Underground. More importantly, we probably would’ve been spared Matt Striker’s abysmal TripleMania performances. If it is the Fight Network who ends up with TripleMania, I’d expect we’ll hear Josh on that one.
That same interview has Josh saying he believes something has changed with the Lucha Underground contracts to allow Fantasma and Drago to work their show. It sounds like he may not know much more than us on the details.
WMC (SUN) 07/02/2017 Salón Balumcanan, Iztacalco, Distrito Federal
1) Zafiro vs Casandra, Reina Oscura
2) Dowki & Hanaoka vs Demasiado & Yuriko
3) Demoledor & Fly Warrior vs Toxin & Tromba
4) Fandango vs Terremoto, Rayo Star [WMC UNIVERSAL]
5) Fulgor I, Fulgor II, Látigo, Séptimo Rayo vs Disturbio, Príncipe Diamante, Soberano Jr., Súper Comando
6) Metaleón vs Tóxico [WMC XTREME]
WMC is back this weekend with a couple title matches, and an Indy Nation vs CMLL Atomicos.
CMLL (MON) 07/03/2017Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano, Black Tiger, Meyer vs El Malayo, Fuerza Chicana, King Jaguar
2) Marcela vs Dalys [lightning]
3) Soberano Jr., Stigma, Titán vs Disturbio, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado
4) Espíritu Maligno vs Ares [hair]
5) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Valiente vs Kráneo, Mephisto, Ripper
6) Pierroth, Rush, Último Guerrero vs Rey Bucanero, Shocker, Terrible
Espiritu Maligno and Ares have been booked against each other for months, but only bothered to build up their feud last week. They had to know they were meant to have a hair match – if I figured it out, so could they – they just didn’t try at all. Ares hasn’t been much good at all, was clearly brought back just to be given a hair match payoff, and this is the most dispiriting type of CMLL booking as fan.
I have no idea what’s meant to be going on in that main event. I suspect they were planning on doing a Dalys/Estrellita title match but Estrellita got hurt and they didn’t want to have Marcela lose another title match.
CMLL (TUE) 07/04/2017Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Mercurio & Pequeño Nitro
2) Flyer, Príncipe Diamante, Sensei vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Sangre Azteca
3) Fuego, Johnny Idol, Stigma vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Universo 2000 Jr.
4) Drone vs Puma [lightning]
5) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, The Panther vs Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
6) Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone, Volador Jr. vs Euforia, Gran Guerrero, Negro Casas
A completely random show, but at least Drone/Puma is different and the semimain could be good. Raziel is facing slightly tougher competition than usual, his win streak will be tested.
CMLL (TUE) 07/04/2017Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Metatrón & Neutrón vs Maléfico & Thunder Boy
2) Astral, Magnum, Robin vs Akuma, Canelo Casas, Rey Trueno
3) Esfinge, Oro Jr., Star Jr. vs Disturbio, Tiger, Virus
4) Guerrero Maya Jr., Stuka Jr., Titán vs Felino, Hechicero, Ripper
5) Carístico, Dragón Lee, Mistico vs Cavernario, Mephisto, Último Guerrero
Based on last night’s lineup, it looks like Dragon Lee versus Cavernario or Carsitico vs Cavernario is coming up here.
LyP Klandestino (SUN) 07/16/2017Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Pegazus, Súper Astro Jr., Yakuza vs Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid
2) Lokillo, Sádico, Toxin vs Arez, Belial, Impulso
3) Imposible & Súper Mega vs Emperador Azteca & Eterno
4) Daga & Zorro vs Cien Caras Jr. & Rey Escorpión
5) The King vs Marty Scurll
6) Penta 0M vs La Máscara [super libre]
Lucha y Pasion is running a second show, but combining with the other super indie themed shows here. (I can’t figure out if Kalndestino is a separate promotion or a just another way of branding AULL shows but run by them too.) I saw Fenix/Marty Scurll in AAW two years ago and it was really good, so hopefully it’ll be the same here.
AAA TV (SUN) 07/16/2017 Arena Jose Sulaiman, Monterrey, Nuevo Leon
1) Big Mami, Lady Shani, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Goya Kong, La Hiedra, Mamba
2) Bengala & El Elegido vs Australian Suicide & Marty The Moth and Monsther Clown & Murder Clown
3) Kevin Kross vs Máscara de Bronce winner gets the title shot briefcase
4) Aerostar, Drago, Raptor vs Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Soul Rocker [AAA TRIOS]
5) Hijo del Fantasma & Texano Jr. vs Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria
6) Argenis, La Parka, Pagano vs Averno, Chessman, El Mesías
7) Psycho Clown vs Dr. Wagner Jr.
This is a card that makes sense or at least fits with current patterns by having enemies team up, and would seem totally likely if AAA was a normal promotion. The way AAA is run right now, we’re better off assuming that these are the matches which will NOT be happening on this taping. I want to get excited for a Suicide & Marty team but they’re not letting me.