lucha TV preview for weekend of April 20th

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I’m all about scoops, so here’s something I’m probably not mentioning on Twitter for twelve or so hours: I am doing non-wrestling things on Friday night so you may be on your own for CMLL Claro. I’ll probably rig something up and attempt to remotely it remotely around 8:30, but no promises it’ll work. Hopefully, the stream just won’t be blocked and no one will miss me. The main event could be good and the Copa Juniors could be good, but it’s also not one of the more vital shows.

AAA in Neza seemed to be taped in order of how they planned to air, but San Luis Potosi looks more back to the normal mismatch. They taped five normal matches and one with locals, so there’s a chance AAA could shrink taping down to one week. I”m guessing the odd number matches will air.

IWRG is in a stretch of one week shows; there’s probably not a midweek one next week either since Memes is running on Friday.

If you’ve noticed this getting smaller, I’ve dropped the 52MX listings since I no longer have eyeballs on it. I expect it’ll continue to be the Puebla shows in edited form. We’re probably getting Puebla live only because they’re also taping it for TV; it’s too bad they don’t have a TV deal for the Sunday show.

AAA on Televisa: 2017-04-15 

we may need a new Mascara de Bronce

Recapped: 04/17/2017


All matches were taped at Arena Neza on March 31, 2017 and can be seen on AAA’s channel. There are also handheld highlights on Estrellas del Ring’s channel.

  1. Mamba defeated Estrella Divina (4:58, powerbomb, OK)
  2. Dark Cuervo & Dark Scoria defeated Aerostar & Drago to win the AAA World Tag Team Championship (7:00, Cuervo crossface on Drago, OK)
  3. Australian Suicide, Dr. Wagner Jr., Lanzeloth, Máscara de Bronce, Psycho Clown beat Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Monsther Clown, Murder Clown, Soul Rocker (6:48, Wagner casita Mocho Cota Jr., good)

What happened: 

this is apparently legal now, so does that mean LA Park really beat La Parka?

The main event is originally billed as a trios match with Lanzeloth, Mascara de Bronce (in a new and totally different outfit) and Australian Suicide against Nuevo Poder del Norte. About two minutes into the match, with the rudos in control, Dr. Wagner’s music played him to ringside. He didn’t actually get in the ring, just stood on the ramp watching as Psycho’s music also played and he came down to the ring. The match came to a stop as they face off, and then they both attacked the rudos who attacked him for a DQ. This was not a DQ. Monster and Murder Clown ran in, first throwing the referee to the floor, then attacking Wagner & Psycho (and also Carta Brava, for whatever reason.) Everyone brawled for about a minute before Vampiro made his own appearance, though he had to wait until the music kicked into his part to appear. Vampiro played to the crowd and made a 5v5 match, though Wagner wasn’t much interested in teaming with the técnico 4. Wagner eventually participated with no issues, but did steal the pin from Psycho Clown.

Lanzeloth tried

Aerostar, already hurting from his match with Super Fly, was attacked by Cuervo & Escoria in the locker room. Aerostar proceeds not not really sell the attack in any noticeable way – he’s not hurt, he’s not delayed to the ring, he doesn’t angrily go after the Sect, he just does his normal entrance. The rudos gave Aerostar a spike martinete late, then submitted Drago soon after. In true AAA form, the new champions haven’t even been handed their belts before they’re interrupted by Pagano’s (very well done!) music video. Pagano hands over the belts himself, mugs for the crowd, gets in his catch phrases, mocks the new champions to their faces, steals their champagne, and lays them both out when they try to come after him.

There’s a one second shot of Texano getting his neck looked at by a doctor. Texano is back wrestling on non-TV shows, so this injury can’t be as bad as it’s being teased

Estrella vs Mamba is explained was Vampiro ordered it. Both this and the first part of the main event were officiated by a new unnamed referee.

An argument between Super Fly & Ricky Marvin aired, which seemed to foreshadow Super Fly replacing him last week! It’s one week off, but I guess at least they filmed it.


quadruple tope

The main event was pretty fun, though I can only imagine what people at home thought when they started that trios match as the final match of the TV show and actually committed to letting it play out for a few minutes. (It’s the sort of slow play bit that AAA could use in other things and it was good to say it here.) The crowd was inescapably there for Wagner & Psycho and no one else, but having a hot match and hanging out with a top guys as near equals did a lot for the others here. The skinny flying técnicos got to do their flashy offense in a match that mattered to the crowd, and did not seem overshadowed at all. Nuevo Poder del Norte got beat, but they got in some on Wagner and Psycho and it didn’t feel just perfunctory. This was also just a really fun match for the time it lasted, and one the crowd actually cared about. This was totally enjoyable.

The tag title match never really found it’s rhythm, and just seemed awkwardly slower than expect at parts. Aerostar getting attacked and nothing really coming of it also threw me off, but I figured the two times the rudos got cut off going for a dive was going to lead to them finally hitting it on the third time as part of a really hot finish. And then Scoria & Cuervo did a totally illegal martinete, and did a sequence with Drago that seemed messed up, and somehow that was it. Cuervo & Scoria often seem like they could be good in trios and have a habit of not coming up big in big matches, and it happened again here. There was surprisingly little to this match and the crowd didn’t care about any part of it, even the martinete spot especially done to get heat. It seemed like it could’ve been a micing issue until Pagano came out, and then it was just clear the fans cared about that guy and not the rest of this. Same could be said about the people in charge. No one takes Cuervo & Scoria seriously to begin with, the tag titel win didn’t do much for them, and the bit with Pagano made sure everyone knew the new tag team champions were jokes. I don’t understand why AAA even bothered with this – they could’ve easily gone Aerostar/Drago vs Pagano/Mesias if they wanted. Maybe Cuervo & Escoria agreed to do some crazy stunt with Pagano coming up, maybe there’s some other reason that makes this worthwhile. It came off as a worthless waste of time here.

congrats to the new champs

Mamba/Divina was a short if moved filled take on a CMLL lightning match. (They could’ve gotten to a more normal CMLL length by doing the pointless mat work, but they skipped it.) This was billed, as if it was a surrpise match but they had clearly worked out it long in advance. Mamba gave Divina most of the match, getting in a few key shots and the powerbomb at the end, but Divina doing a lot of moderately agile spots without an issue. Divina wrestled fine for a (virtual) TV debut, good enough to be used more and with better potential for good matches than Pimpi, though not anything must see. Neither woman did the usual exotico spots, interestingly.

Daga debuts in AAW on Saturday, so here are some Daga matches to watch


Daga has his most high profile US indy match this Saturday in AAW in LaSalle, Illinois (about an hour or so outside of Chicago) against NJPW’s Michael Elgin. Daga’s been in AAA and had a small role in Lucha Underground, but isn’t as known as most of the Mexicans who came before him (Penta, Fenix, Aerostar, Drago, Fantasma) and hasn’t been as featured as Mil Muertes/Mesias, who’s also debuting Saturday.

Daga hasn’t shown the ability to connect with a crowd of Penta, and doesn’t wow you with flying moves like Fenix. Daga’s more a straight ahead MMA influenced striker, wearing his opponents down with kicks and elbows and chops and hopefully winning the fans over by his willingness to take the same punishment. In Mexico, he’s the very real black & white straight man who stands as a contrast to colorful and sometimes farcical opponents. In the US, where there a few less colors and a little less levity, he’s going to have to fight very hard to stand out. I think he can do it, but this is going to be test.

At the last AAW show, I was asked which Daga matches would be worth checking out before he debuted, to get a sense of how he wrestles. I immediately recommended the Fenix singles match from last year, arguably the best 2016 AAA match.

but the person had already seen it and I was stumped for a second answer. Which was not the greatest endorsement of a guy I like.

It’s not totally my falling as a lucha libre person – AAA seemed to think highly of Daga, but rarely scheduled him for singles matches. His only other AAA TV singles match was the apuesta match with Australian Suicide. That match was alright, but marred by usual AAA single matches issues. Daga’s had a few more singles since he’s left AAA (including one with ACH where ACH steals the show in usual fashion) but nothing that jumps to mind as a great exhibition for Daga.

Daga’s match with Texano in Season 2 Lucha Underground was great for both guys, but LU didn’t put that one online. You kind of have to go back all the way to his dream match against Davey Richards in 2011 for another spotlight singles match, who’s style Daga’s greatly resembles. (That’s also my guess why Elgin/Daga is the match; Elgin had some very highly rated matches with Davey Richards, so maybe Daga can recreate some of that.)

There’s plenty of other Daga of matches, if you’re willing to watch Daga matches where he’s not always the focus and there’s more people around. The four way for the AAA Fusion Championship wasn’t a 1 on 1, but was a pretty good match. It’s a shame the title didn’t amount to much.

There are plenty of tag matches from the last couple years though. Daga, Steve Pain and a changing third partner were a much enjoyed rudo trio in AAA in 2014-2015, and were part of a strong core of TV matches during that period

Daga & Steve Pain challenged Angelico & Jack Evans for the tag titles in 2014

They welcomed Fireball (Flamita) back to AAA in an superb TV match right before that year’s TripleMania.

they had a really good three way tag match with Angelico & Jack Evans and Pentagon & Joe Lider, which played off Daga’s split allegances in his own group and the Perros del Mal

and they meshed well with Australian Suicide & Speedball, in one of Mike Bailey’s last matches with AAA (and part of the long build to Daga/Suicide)

The best match of this run, at least to me, was an oustanding trios match with Aerostar, Bengala (Ricky Marvin) and Argenis, with Hijo del Pirata as the third rudo. This isn’t all Daga being great – Aerostar & Pain have an unreal chemistry and I’m disappointed we haven’t got to see them go one on one somewhere – but everyone comes out of this match looking good.

These matches are generally against smaller or same sized people, guys who don’t look a lot like Michael Elgin. (Not many people look like Michael Elgin!) Daga’s challenge on Saturday will be to adapt what he can do – the strikes might not be as effective against bulldozer, and he’s probably not going to take a headscissors. It’s going to be tough, but he’s got to not give up, and let the crowd know too that he’s to he’s going to keep fighting. Daga’s old catchphrase was #DagaEsLucha – Daga is Fight, and he’s got fight a lot on Saturday.

Ringo/Herodes benefit show in Coliseo, Mundo not in TJ, LU/Penta

CMLL (TUE) 04/18/2017 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, CMLL]
1) Espectrúm & Sádico b Neutrón & Star Black
Star Black replaced Javier Cruz Jr.
2) Magnus, Oro Jr., Vaquero Jr. b Arkángel de la Muerte, Metálico, Ráfaga
3) Marcela, Sanely, Silueta b Dalys, Metálica, Tiffany
4) Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Valiente b Kráneo, Luciferno, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) La Máscara, Pierroth, Rush b Atlantis, Carístico, Diamante Azul
Rush snuck in a foul on Diamante Azul

That set up Rush/Diamante Azul for next Tuesday in Guadalajara.

There’s a special one off Thursday show tonight in Arena Coliseo. It’s branded as a CMLL show and is promoted on CMLL’s site, but it may be more of a copromotion along the lines of Elite, since they’re doing a lot of things CMLL doesn’t. They’re running an unusual day, they’re running two kickboxing matches, and they’re bringing in people who don’t normally work CMLL. The goal of the show is honor Ringo Mendoza & Herodes Sr., both who’ve battled health issues during recent years. The main event is Rey Bucanero, Terrible and Ulitmo Guerrero versus Villano IV, Canek, and Rush. It’s notable Villano IV is included, since he was working with AAA in some capacity last we knew. There’s a special Solar & Blue Panther versus Negro Navarro & Black Terry match in the undercard. CMLL Informa proudly talked about how the show will not air on the internet – they think that’s going to get more people to show up instead of staying home, though it was only mentioned on the stream the fewest people watch – so there’s little chance we’ll see this card. People did do fancams of Elite shows in Arena Mexico before they got TV, but this is probably just going to be a lost show.

CMLL put up highlights of Barbaro Cavernario vs Dragon Lee. This is the footage Rosalío Vera seems to be shooting at ringside, so it’s possible he really just record highlights and not a complete match, but it also shows how it easy it would’ve been for them to stick someone at ringside with a camera.

AAA posted a video with Taya & Johnny Mundo explaining Mundo won’t be in Tijuana. AAA had originally announced Kross/Fantasma for Tijuana, then did a in-ring bit in San Luis Potosi last week where Vampiro made it Mundo versus Fantasma in a title match instead, and now are back to the original match. It’s weird, Mundo & Vamp and everyone involved probably should’ve known Mundo wasn’t going to be in Tijuana before they ran the angle to change the match, but they did it anyway. Maybe the idea is to get Mundo heel heat for backing out Whatever reason, Mundo is the first person who got one over on Vampiro in storyline (and pretty easily.)

+LuchaTV has an interview with Jeff Jarrett from the AAA press conference. AAA separates himself from most people in his position by naming many different AAA luchadors with ease. I’m sure that comes off as sarcastic but it’s actual praise. Ed Nordholm talked about the copromoted show, which will happen in North America.

This week’s Wrestling Observer Newsletter mentioned the meeting Eric Van Wagenen had with Penta, which EVW mentioned about a week ago. The added details here is Penta was offered a new & improved contract, with higher pay ($1500 per match) and a push as the main guy in the promotion. However, he would have to agree not to wrestle in CMLL, Impact and The Crash, and generally not for any promotion that works with Konnan. Pentagon is believed to still be under the original seven season deal, so he’s not close to leaving Lucha Underground even if he turns it around, and a contract based on matches worked only is worthwhile when Lucha Underground is actually running matches – even if Pentagon likes this deal, there’s no real incentive for him to sign (or reject) at this moment if it is as reported. This is a story that probably will go nowhere for months. CMLL & The Crash being on that list are people AAA are against, and LU itself doesn’t seem like a friend of Impact, but AAA does and it’s all very confusing.

El Rey announced a new chief marketing officer. El Rey’s marketing presence has been pretty minimal, maybe we’ll see more in that area.

MGM announced a deal of Women of Wrestling. The press release says the MGM is hoping to take advantage of it’s success with Lucha Underground to do more in wrestling. MGM’s success has been at getting LU distributed internationally, and I’d suspect part of the idea is to use the relationships formed getting LU in places to also offer WOW.

Vampiro is angry about something. My guess was people thinking Impact + AAA meant trouble for LU (which it doesn’t), but Vampiro’s not very specific. We did learn he will not be appearing on Impact.

Kushida was on Wrestling Observer Radio for an interview. He was asked his thoughts Dragon Lee (and Volador, but didn’t answer about him) and said he likes lucha libre, but sometimes lucha libre doesn’t have a story, and that Dragon Lee would need to wrestle more in US and Japan to learn that part and improve. I still think Dragon Lee’s immediate future is outside of Mexico, which is another reason it’s disappointing when matches like Cavernario/Lee aren’t captured – it’d be foolish to assume they’ll be happening forever.

MDA in Arena Coliseo Monterrey on 05/07

RIOT on 05/20 in Arena Femenil Monterrey

AAA posted this week’s Zona Ruda with Mamba & Lady Shani interviews.

Dr. Wagner & son head to women’s promotion Stardom for a special match on May 3rd. This will be Dr. Wagner’s first match in Japan in three years, after also doing a guest appearance in this promotion in 2014. A Black Tiger is listed on the other side in the mixed trios match, which could be Silver King. Nosawa would fit as well, since Wagner worked for Nosawa’s Tokyo Gurentai promotion that time and could again.

CMLL catches up on the current life of Soberano: waiting to find out who he’ll face in Copa Junior, popular in Japan, and feuding with Misterioso.

Matt Farmer put together a list of 1977 Arena Mexico & Coliseo lineups & results.

CultIcon writes about Magnus.

SuperLuchas has a transcript of a good interview with Mascara Sagrada, who talks his feelings on winning Fishman’s mask. They also start a look back at 1979 in lucha libre.

Funcion Esterlar has with Hijo del Coco Amarillo and Angel Siniestro Jr.


The Crash (FRI) 05/05/2017 Auditorio de Tijuana, Tijuana, Baja California
1) Douglas James, Oraculo, Serpentico vs Black Danger, Jonathan, Último Maldito
2) Arkángel Divino, Astrolux, Black Boy vs Diamante (Elite), Famous B, Látigo
3) Garza Jr., Jack Evans, Último Ninja vs Bestia 666, Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Jeff Cobb
4) Flip Gordon & Ricochet vs Mr. 450 & Sammy Guevara
5) Daga vs Zack Sabre Jr.
6) Penta Zero M & The King vs Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson

Full card for the Tijuana show. The two top matches are going to be the big deal matches, but 2/3/4 could all be pretty good. Latigo worked the The Crash show in Aguascalientes, and I believe this is Diamante’s debut with the promotion. Pirata gets into an actual match as well.

The Crash also appears to be recording something around it’s February show; maybe TV, maybe for YouTube? Hopefully soon, it’s a two month old show.

great match roundup, week of 2017-04-08

unusual counter

I don’t have anything to say and I want to get this out so I can move onto other things. I think I liked the Copa Junior match less than almost everyone. I am updating the MOTYC list. I haven’t gotten back to reviewing anything else.

recommended matches

rating matches TV Show taped
great Black Terry & Negro Navarro © vs Blue Panther Jr. & The Panther for the Arena Coliseo (DF) Tag Team Championship LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-11 2017-04-11
good Espíritu Maligno vs Policeman for the hair LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-10 2017-04-10
good Mistico, Titán, Valiente vs Cavernario, Negro Casas, Niebla Roja LA MEJOR LUCHA LIBRE EN VIVO DESDE LA ARENA PUEBLA 10 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-10 2017-04-10
good Princesa Sugehit vs Zeuxis in a lightning match LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-11 2017-04-11
good Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán vs Bobby Villa, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 11 DE ABRIL DEL 2017 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL) CMLL YouTube: 2017-04-11 2017-04-11
good Soberano Jr. vs The Panther, Drone, Oro Jr., El Cuatrero, Canelo Casas, Hijo del Signo, Espanto Jr. [La Copa Jr. Nuevo Valores] and in a tournament semifinal match 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-14 2017-04-14
good Último Guerrero © vs Atlantis for the NWA World Middleweight Championship 2017-04-13 CMLL Claro (Atlantis vs Ultimo Guerrero) (posted by thecubsfan) CMLL on 2017-04-14 2017-04-14

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