Lucha Underground 3×7: Payback Time

Mil has had enough
Mil has had enough


Matanza beats Killshot to retain the Lucha Underground Championship (3:58, Wrath of the Gods, good)
Drago defeated Fenix and Aerostar (8:43, running blockbuster on Aerostar, great)
– as a result of the match, Fenix & Aerostar will not be in Aztec Warfare, while Drago enters twentieth
Prince Puma versus Mil Muertes (8:42, 630 senton, great)


what’s in that mask anyway

Dario was all about upping the difficult level for Matanza. Dario says it’s because he’s so confident in his brother, noting no one’s come close to beating him in on a Dial of Doom. He was right about that tonight, with Matanza defeating Killshot (after one scare.) Dario’s decided to make it even more challenging: Aztec Warfare is back in four weeks (November 16), the title will be on the line, and Matanza enters first. The announcers chalked this up as confidence, but it seems like Dario must have some ulteior motive. He usually does.

There’s 20 people in Aztec Warfare, as usually is the plan. Matanza is #1. Drago will be #20 – he won a three way match between the trios champions, who had no idea they were going to be in one of them. Fenix really took the worst of the fight, having his mouth or nose broken by Drago on a plancha, and being left out of the action while Aerostar took the lose. At least Fenix has time to recover.

Wrath of the Gods
Wrath of the Gods

There’s one more challenge coming, perhaps. Johnny Mundo again went to Dario to ask for a title match against Sexy Star, whining that (almost) all of his friends have gotten Gift of the Gods shots, but not him. Mundo came with more the complaints this week: he brought back the suitcase of $100K money he won in the ladder match way back in Season 1. Mundo offered to trade the money for the shot. Dario was pleased to get his $100K back, which led this real conversation

Johnny Mundo: “Well, $94,373. I had to pay some people off.”
Dario Cueto: “Oh, that’s right, the internet photos.”
(in the real world, that appears to be a reference to Melina posting photos of Johnny’s medications. It could be different photos in the LU world)

Dario gleefully gave Mundo the match versus Sexy Star next week.

The suitcase was a moment from the past catching up to the present in a good way. Killshot got the bad version of the same. After his match, a mystery man (who looks a lot like AR Fox) came to the ring. Killshot was thrilled to see the man, but mystery guy felt the opposite. He surprised Killshot with an attack, laid him out, declared “you left me for dead”, and left his dog tags on Killshot. I suspect we’ve now met both another member of Killshot’s unit, and the person who sent him the message a couple weeks back.

lot of superkicks like this in this match
lot of superkicks like this in this match

Killshot’s name will be off the Dial of Doom next time we see it – if we see it? – and someone will replace him. That’ll get figured out later. Tonight, it was Kobra Moon’s name who replaced Prince Puma’s on the wheel. That’s the first time she’s been mentioned on this season, and foreshadowing for another appearance on this week’s show. After Drago won, Kobre Moon crawled into men’s room (as usual with Drago) and congratulated him on getting one step closer to winning the championship for their tribe, “the scales have turned in your favor.” Drago disputed the idea and perhaps the pun, saying he’d left the tribe 1,000 years ago. (Another reference to a millennia ago.) This argument was interrupted by – of all people – Vinny Massaro, eating and harassing Kobra for being in the men’s room. Why Vinny was eating in the men’s room was left unsolved for this week.

One more surprise cameo ended the show, though arguably a little bit more of a California wrestling legend. Rey Mysterio, at one of those lucha dojos that seem to populate the show, told someone that he was going to have to end Chavo Jr., they both couldn’t exist at the Temple the same time, and wanted to know how the Guerreros would react. The someone was revealed to be Chavo Guerrero Sr. himself, who wanted their to be another way, but didn’t fight against the idea. There were Guerreros in wrestling after his father, and there’d be them again if his son was done in wrestling.

There was a rabbit tribe teaser. Yes. The teaser noted they should be there already. I think that’s it!

The main event was the simplest match of the night. Prince Puma managed to do what he could not back at Ultima Lucha 1, and defeat Mil Muertes. Catrina didn’t get involved much. Vampiro didn’t either, though he earlier tried to give Puma a pep speech. Puma forcefully told Vampiro to stay out of the match, which Vampiro did, but Vamp also seemed pleased at the outcome. Vampiro also seemed darker and more heelish during the match, talking about how he liked to kick people when they were down and rooting for spectators to be hit in the brawl.


Drago Spiral!
Drago Spiral!

This was one of the better episodes of the season. All three matches were enjoyable, better than last week. They moved some stories along and added a few new ones.

Matanza/Killshot was about as entertaining as a four minute match between them was going to be. I could’ve easily taken the match going longer, even as one sided as it was. They got the crowd to buy into the one big tease of the upset, which is all you really need to make this sort of match work. It seems a little bit of a waste for Killshot to go from winning his feud blowoff match to losing the next time we see him, but I guess he was going to get his clock cleaned by not-AR-Fox anyway, so maybe Matanza might as well get in there first. They got the idea of the Fox/Killshot feud over with not much, and they seem like they might be a good matchup.

Fenix versus Aerostar versus Drago got disappointing reviews live. Some of the problems came thru: Fenix’s injury was hard to miss and Aerostar had a rough night (and live reports had him being hurt sometime during the match– maybe one something that didn’t get thru.) There was some really unmissable edits getting into and around the three way chop spot, and the crowd seemed much less excited for that than they had been just moments earlier. (Because nothing can go as planned with AAA in 2016, they tried to run this same match in August and Aerostar was hurt with in the first minute.)

Mil takes a bold anti-flip stand.
Mil takes a bold anti-flip stand.

Still, and maybe because my expectations were reduced by what I had heard, I enjoyed the final product. The match was exciting, there were still plenty of big spots, there were a few spots that looked like they didn’t work as planned, but the ones that did really worked well. The drama of him bleeding added to the match even as it seemed to throw off some timing, and they all fought like there was something hugely important on the line. I think they have a more complete three way in them, in the unlikely event that they get another try, but this was pretty entertaining.

Puma/Muertes wasn’t close to the Ultima Lucha 1 match, but they also didn’t have the same time or the same stakes. They packed a lot with the time, missing the big move kickouts. Mil deciding he had enough of Puma’s fancy moves and brutally cutting him off with punches and clothesline was fantastic ever time it happened, and they put a few of those in there. The massive run of elbows to stop the Flatliner worked too, and those sort of things made this feel like a unique match, not just a greatest hits version of the other one. They’ve got enough left to come back with it again, though it didn’t feel like they needed to. This sort of Lucha Underground feuds usually end with a gimmick match, but Prince Puma winning cleanly with a 630 makes anything more feel unnecessary. If this is not the end between them for now, than they’re going to have do something important to make more feel important. (And if it is the end, there’s no real obvious thing for these two guys to do next.)

Lots of hints on what’s next all around this show. Aztec Warfare in four weeks is the big event people have been waiting for (and seems early; they’ll still have about 3/4s of the season left.) The AR Fox bit was well done as a starting point. The Kobra Moon “tribe” bit probably turned off someone people but makes me want to work out who’s supposed to be with which of the seven tribes again. (Jaguar, Rabbit, Snake/Dragon, Moth, ?, ??, ???). Vinny showing up was so random and, like with Ricky Mandell, I wonder if some people just won’t remember a guy who hasn’t been seen in 30 some episodes. Chavo Sr. being on this show doesn’t thrill me, but he handled his scene well. Mundo/Cueto was the best of all the small scenes, as it usually is.

Payback Time: Fox on Killshot? Puma on Mil? Mundo literally to Dario? Lots of possibilites.

Lucha Azteca7 Elite: 2016-09-24 

Tiger spinning DDT

Recapped: 10/10/2016

What happened: Rey Escorpion beat Cibernético via DQ. Carístico beat Extreme Tiger in a singles match. Both were presented as “mano y mano” matches, and all talk of points and a Liga Elite seems to have been dropped. None of the matches seem to mean anything right now.

What was good: I liked the main event, once it got going. The clipped match airing right before it was good but really just highlights.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel and the faux Liga Elite channel. Read More

Drone debut, Lucha Underground preview & tour

Drone (photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL)
(photo by Alexis Salazar/CMLL)

CMLL (TUE) 10/18/2016 Arena México [CMLL, CultIcon]
1) Akuma & Metálico b Metatrón & Robin LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
2) Fuego, Pegasso, Rey Cometa b Disturbio, Okumura, Virus LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Okumura replaced Arkangel. Tecnicos took 1/3.
3) Skándalo b Star Jr. [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Skandalo Driver for the win.
4) Ángel de Oro, Drone, Guerrero Maya Jr. b Hechicero, Misterioso Jr., Sagrado LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Atlantis, Stuka Jr., Valiente b Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada, Mistico DQ Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 18 DE OCTUBRE DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
tecnicos took 1/3, the last a DQ when Mephisto fouled Dorada

I’ve only watched the fourth match so far. Drone was very much spotlighted and worked with Hechicero most of the match; they were doing all they could to get the character over. Drone talked post match, where he’s trying really hard to do a fake voice. He was treated like a new wrestler in the match (complete with Angel de Oro giving him the traditional kick to the backside for a debuting guy), but he didn’t wrestle like a new guy. He kind of wrestled like a guy trying to hide his identity, not really doing a lot but simple stuff in the first fall before doing more complex stuff in the third. The presentation came off as if Drone was meant to be the big star of the group; he may have started on a Tuesday tercera, but it felt like he’d be moving up soon.

Drone’s been guessed to be Hombre Bala most frequently. Drone didn’t do any of the trademark Hombre Bala spots, but did use the same rope flip moonsault that Bala’s used from time to time. I didn’t pick this up originally, but Drone also has the same piercing near his mouth that Bala does (though it’s a different colored stud there now.) I’m not sure it’s Bala, but there was nothing to dissuade you if you already believed it was him. As of now, Drone has no next match listed, while Bala is scheduled Monday in Puebla.

Also after the match, Angel de Oro talked about his ROH trip. He, Fuego and Titan are off to Japan for three weeks. They start on the 21st (Friday), and that first show will air on NJPW World at 4:30AM CT with the quarterfinals of the Super Juniors Tag Team tournament.

The main event definitely seems like it’s starting up a trios title program. Lucifierno is making the main event two weeks in a row and they’ve already got a singles match set up, so it’s surely a trios title defense and probably on 11/01. That also means Dorada is still around on 11/01 (and we’re taking it day by day on that at this point.)

Lucha Underground 3×7 is called Payback Time. Things announced:

  • Matanza versus a Dial of Doom winner for the Lucha Underground championship
  • Mil Muertes versus Prince Puma – video
  • something with Fenix, Drago, Aerostar (implied to be a trios match)
  • something with Johnny Mundo trying to get a title shot (again)

There’s previews of the next two episodes out if you know where to look. I believe there’s a big announcement on this show, but they could always change things around in editing. Things are going to happen.

(I think I’m not going to be around Twitter much tonight, but everything should get done on the normal schedule.)

Son of Havoc said he’ll be in Phoenix for the Lucha Underground show. Taya’s said she’ll be on the San Diego show. Ricochet has mysterious passport issues which are causing him to miss the first few days of the NJPW tour, which would also just happen to allow him to make his (first priority) show in Phoenix. I (or you!) could spend the next few days trying to figure out who’s on what LU shows, but the things I know are

  • Not everyone is going to be on all the shows.
  • Lucha Underground long ago worked out who’s going to be on which shows
  • Lucha Underground isn’t going to promote who’s on the shows (or the matches) because they’re promoting the brand and/or not very good at this

Lucha Underground luchadors working the shows were told weeks and maybe months ago. Those bookings can always be adjusted, or people could (fairly) assume these shows weren’t ever happening and might have already booked themselves elsewhere, but Lucha Underground could’ve rolled out a list of talent at about the same time they announced these events. Instead, it took them four days after Cricket announced the shows to acknowledge it themselves and everything else is going to be a surprise. “The shows will be good! I wish they did a better job of promoting!” – the eternal Lucha Underground frustration.

These shows came up briefly on the latest MLW Radio. show. Court Bauer happened to eat dinner with Dorian Roldan in New York recently. Bauer said these shows are low risk (Cricket’s covering it, I’d guess) and they’d be thrilled if they drew 1,000 fans for each show. They expect the shows to be very good and hope that increases interest. Maybe that tells us a little bit of why Lucha Underground isn’t doing some bigger tour: if they don’t think they can draw more than 1,000 fans for free, than a larger scale (and paying) tour seems economically unwise. (On the other hand, they’d probably draw better if they advertised it more than six days ahead of time. I hope they advertise it on TV tonight.)

AAA posted Garza Jr. versus Johnny Mundo, which did not air on their TV show.

11/03 Arena Aficion has a loser loses hair cage match with Ultimo Guerrero, Lizmark Jr., Terrible, Scorpio Jr., Alan Stone and Barbaro Cavernario (which probably means Scorpio or maybe Alan losing.)

Shogun lost his mask to Makro in a cage match on Arena Coliseo San Ramon’s anniversary show.

Valiente is happy to be in the Universal final.

Psycho Clown is still angry.

Dr. Wagner Jr. still is talking up the mask match with Psycho Clown.

The crew from +LuchaTV is now working with MedioTiempo.

Photos from the Mucha Lucha Atlanta show this weekend.

The Texas Standard interviews Xavier Garcia, author of a series of kid’s lucha libre books.


IWRG (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Máscara De Ángel vs Adrenalina
2) Black Dragón & Cadilac vs Araña de Plata & Skanda
3) Dragón Fly, Emperador Azteca, Hijo del Alebrije vs Demonio Infernal, Picudo Jr., Violencia Jr.
4) Danny Casas, Pantera I, Zatura vs Killer Jr., Negro Navarro, Trauma I
5) El Hijo del Diablo vs Black Terry [hair]
6) Imposible © vs Trauma II [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
second defense

First IWRG show in two weeks, though both of those matches were set up by previous weeks. Both should be good. Zatura is much higher than usual for his occasional apperance.

CMLL (TUE) 10/25/2016 Arena México
1) Shockercito & Último Dragóncito vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Tiffany
3) Drone, Rey Cometa, The Panther vs Kráneo, Pólvora, Ripper
4) Atlantis vs La Máscara, Valiente, Gran Guerrero, Johnny Idol, Vangellys, Stuka Jr., Bobby Z, Blue Panther Jr., Hechicero, Esfinge, Misterioso Jr. [NWA LH, cibernetico, #1 Contenders]
winner faces Rey Bucanero next week
5) Diamante Azul, Máscara Dorada, Mistico vs Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto

Main event is a rematch. Cibernetico had been announced before; I thought Valiente, Idol and Stuka were contenders before. Valiente’s got his win in the Universal tournament, so that cuts down the field a bit more. Tercera should be pretty good.

CMLL (TUE) 10/25/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Capitán Cobra & El Yaqui vs Évola & Mr. Apolo
2) Mágico, Robin, Soberano Jr. vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Maléfico, Nitro
3) La Jarochita, La Vaquerita, Silueta vs Dalys, Metálica, Zeuxis
4) Dragón Rojo Jr. © vs Blue Panther [CMLL MIDDLE]
16th defense
5) Dragón Lee, Máximo Sexy, Rush vs Mr. Niebla, Shocker, Último Guerrero

The most middleweight defenses we have is Satanico with 19th. We’re probably missing a bunch, but that’s the number we have. Dragon Rojo is getting close. He’ll probably get one closer after this defense over Panther (which appears to have a one week build); that match should be interesting, but a title change seems unlikely.

Evola/Yaqui’s Sunday feud crosses over for at least one night.

DTU (FRI) 10/28/2016 Arena Neza
1) Masizito & Porrito vs Erwin & Irving
2) Diva Salvaje, El Exótico, Yuriko vs Lokillo, Moria, Niño De Cobre
3) Princesa Sugehit & Zeuxis vs Lady Maravilla & Zuzu Divine
4) Hormiga & Neza Kid vs Charly Madrid & Oscar Sevilla and Mike Segura & Sádico
5) Jimmy & Kevin vs Gallego & Mr. Cóndor
6) Dragón Rojo Jr. & Pólvora vs Aero Boy & Drastik Boy
7) Halloween & X-Fly vs El Gio & El Junior and Cíclope & Toxico

I’m pretty sure I was at a show where Halloween said he did his last extreme match ever!! (in DTU). My heart is broken unforeseeable mistruths. In more useful analysis, I guess this means Halloween is officially done with AAA to be working a show with CMLL guys.

AAA on Televisa: 2016-09-10/17/24

dueling topes
dueling topes

Recapped: 10/17/2016

The three mid September episodes covered TripleMania, which was previously reviewed as an iPPV (including the Lucha Underground match, which did not air on TV.) All episodes had a few minutes of extra finish.

The September 10th episode included an AAA Rewind feature on TripleMania I. The video quality of the TripleMania I footage looked much better than we have elsewhere. This week also promoted the 09/16 Hard Rock show through the show.

The Copa Antonio Pena match aired on September 10th, followed by interviews with both men to build to their match for Heroes Inmortales. Daga believes all the foreigners don’t respect Mexican lucha libre. Australian Suicide calls Daga a coward for running in and throwing a chair at his head (six sitches), and Daga says he didn’t whine about almost getting his eye knocked out by Suicide because it’s lucha libre. Daga says everyone wanted him to win the TripleMania Cup, and Australian Suicide ruined it for him.

The Pentagon/Mundo title match also aired this week. El Fantasma gets a graphic, as the president of lucha libre in Mexico City, when he’s shown post match (and while he looks on unable to do anything.)

The AAA Rewind on the 09/17 show focuses on Love Machine and his role on the first TripleMania. The Hard Rock video packages are replaced by clips of last week’s Daga/Suicide interviews, to promote Heroes Inmortales.

The not-yet-OGT versus Apaches match is followed by an interview with the Apaches separately discussing the match. Faby & Mary feel they showed how tough they were, and were surprised by their father’s actions. El Apache says it hurt to see his daughters hit and bleeding and he had to act. The Apaches are happy to be reunited, despite what happened.

The main event of this week is the AAA Heavyweight Title match.

AAA Rewind on September 24 starts with Cien Caras, talks about all the people who lost apuesta matches on TripleMania. The last one listed is Joaquin Roldan, and I believe he actually won that match (but did lose his hair.) That’s where they end it – the more recent loses by Cibernetico, Texano and Brian Cage are unmentioned (though Mesias’ losses are left in.)

Starting this week, the Heroes Inmortales promos are hyping Alberto’s involvement in the show (though they still end with Daga/Suicide.) The annual Anontio Pena mass is also mentioned.

The opener is the four way tag title match, and it’s followed by an Aerostar & Drago promo talking about the belts. They’re happy to be champion and defending the match at Heroes Inmortales. They preview the match. Aerostar says Super Fly’s career has gone down since he took his mask. (Laredo Kid’s name doesn’t come up. Garza Jr.’s name is missing from the TripleMania talk, for whatever it’s worth.)

Pagano versus Psycho Clown finishes the TripleMania hype.