CMLL on 2016-09-23 

Volador gets the rudos, misses me

Recapped: 09/23/2016

What happened: Rush beat Matt Taven in Taven’s tour ending match. Barbaro Cavernario & Volador advanced to the Reyes del Aire final.

What was good: The Reyes del Aire was a lot of fun and Rush/Taven is good too.

This is another where I was there live and already reviewed the show in other formats. Maybe I should’ve written down my notes for this recap then, but I didn’t think about it.

Where can I watch it: It’s on my channel, via magic.

Match 1: Oro Jr. & Star Jr. vs Cancerbero & Raziel
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Raziel reverse campana Oro Jr. (7:12)
    • Cancerbero motocicleta Star Jr. (7:36)
  2. técnicos
    • DQ Cancerbero [Star Jr. mask pull] (1:05)
  3. rudos
    • double submission (3:59)

Winner: rudos (1/3)
Match Time: 12:40
Notes: Star Jr.’s mask comes off while Cancerbero gave him an inverted crucifix powerbomb. It came off after Star Jr. hit the mat, it wasn’t pulled off. Still, on TV, it feels like one of the Cancerberos trademark fake accidental mask removals.

Review: [below average] The usual stubborn performance by Raziel & Cancerbero against the rookies, where they take most of the match and an accidental mask pull means the técnicos don’t get a comeback and offense until very late. The técnicos didn’t have a good match but weren’t getting much help. There’s a springboard spot by Oro Jr. which looked not good live and doesn’t look much better here, but it’s clear it was Cancerbero unwilling to go along with the move. At least their double teams were nice.

wait for it
which team is the high flying tecnicos?

Match 2: Fuego, Pegasso, Soberano Jr. vs Puma, Tiger, Virus
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Virus half crab armbar Fuego (7:49)
  2. tecnicos
    • Pegasso torito Puma (3:27)
    • Soberano guillotone moonsault Tiger (3:45)
  3. rudos
    • Puma & Tiger mouse trap Soberano (4:38)
    • Tiger backcracker & Puma middle rope double stomp Pegasso (5:42)

Winner: rudos (1/3)
Match Time: 17:16

Review: [OK] better than the last match, and really good in stretches, just with some oddness and obvious being held back by being in the second match. Puma & Tiger were rolling on the double teams, but it went a lot smoother with Pegasso than Soberano for whatever reason. Soberano’s moonsaults looked nice anyway. Virus and Fuego had good exchanges but (as a result of those double teams) really disappeared down the stretch.

Soberano guillotine moonsault
and one more moonsault

Match 3: Ángel de Oro, Johnny Idol, Titán vs Bobby Z, Ephesto, Hechicero
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. rudos
    • Ephesto shoulderbreaker Johnny Idol (4:27)
    • Bobby Z dropkick Titan (5:22)
  2. técnicos
    • Angel de Oro Skayde Special Bobby Z (4:16)
    • Titan El Inmortal Hechicero (4:18)
  3. técnicos
    • DQ Ephesto [foul to Johnny Idol] (7:00)

Winner: técnicos (2/3)
Match Time: 16:40

Review: [good] The (apparently) short lived Johnny Idol/Ephesto feud! It’s been a long time since the hat has been that random, but I get the feeling CMLL believes Idol is Corazon de Leon 2016 and they’re doing things to make him seem sympathetic. It’s a very slight feud, a little bit early which doesn’t stick until you look for it and the ending late, and then doesn’t seem to go anywhere after this. Surrounding it is a very exciting well worked match, with Titan and Hechicero stealing the show. Hechicero is the best assistman in the promotion, setting up his teammates all the time while also getting in his own shots. Angel de Oro looked smooth. Bobby Z needs a second offense move desperately, but at least he makes a lot of his move.

rising knee lift
leaping kick to the face
Titan top rope moonsault to the floor

A Paralympic wrestling gold medalist is honored between matches.

Match 4: Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Stuka Jr. vs Shocker, Terrible, Último Guerrero
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. técnicos
    • Shocker elbow drop Marco Corleone (3:38)
    • Ultimo Guerrero Pulpo Guerrero Stuka Jr. (3:54)
  2. rudos
    • Marco Corleone Aero Italia Ultimo Guerrero & Terrible (2:13)
  3. rudos
    • Ultimo Guerrero inside cradle Atlantis (4:28)
    • Shocker pin Stuka Jr. (4:33)

Winner: rudos (2/3)
Match Time: 10:40

Review: [ok] Normally, when I mention something seemed like a much better match in the building, I’m guessing based on the crowd reaction. This time, I was there, this was much better in the building. It’s a predictable ordinary comfortable match between these teams that came off professional but unmemorable on TV, and it was a fun time live. I can’t recommend it because you can’t travel back in time, but it’s a reminder that sometimes the simple stuff works well too. The finish, with the rudos just suddenly win off simple pins, was the exception. The rudo fans were happy about it, but it came off abrupt on any method of viewing.

Aero Italia

Match 5: Rush vs Matt Taven
Arena México, 09/23/2016

  1. Matt Taven springboard kick (2:03)
  2. Rush corner dropkick (3:38)
  3. Rush Driver (4:40)

Winner: Rush (2/3)
Match Time: 10:21

Review: [great] This did also come across as more live, and felt a lot longer/deeper in person. It’s still a pretty good TV blowoff match, with Rush selling big for Taven’s moves, Taven looking impressive, and Rush nearly killing him on the bad dive catch before actually finishing him off with the Rush Driver. Neither man was really all that strong a técnico or rudo in this match, they just had a fight with Rush being his usual arrogant self. (The pose on the announce desk for no reason was pretty great.) I’m not sure I ever thought Taven was going to win, and it could’ve used more drama before the end, but it was still plenty entertaining.

Taven springboard head kick
Rush corner dropkick
not the greatest work on the catch
Rush Driver

Match 6: Bárbaro Cavernario & Volador Jr. vs Negro CasasMisticoLa MáscaraDragón LeeMáximo SexyMephistoValienteEuforia,Máscara DoradaDragón Rojo Jr. in a CMLL’s Reyes del Aire Tournament match
Arena México, 09/23/2016
Video: , 

  1. Valiente Buster on Dragon Rojo (5:36)
  2. DQ La Mascara [unmasking Dragon Lee] (7:32)
  3. Negro Casas casita Mascara Dorada (8:39)
  4. Euforica Special on Valiente (9:01)
  5. Mephisto Devil’s Wings on Máximo (10:03)
  6. Dragon Lee double stomp (12:21)
  7. Cavernario cavernaaria Dragon Lee (12:48)
  8. La Mistica on Euforia (14:10)
  9. Barbaro Cavernario springboard pump splash Mistico (14:43)
  10. Volador pin Mephisto (24:16)

Winner: Volador & Barbaro Cavernario
Match Time: 24:16

Review: [great] an amazing high spot fest and a high rate of action, especially in the first half of this match. There were so amazing spots that I lost track of them all. Volador stood out as a superhero at the end, but it felt like all the tecnicos got in great moments and they even fit some story in there with Mascara & Dragon Lee.

This was easily better the Taven/Rush, but the three way section pinfall breakup really annoyed me. I complain about it every time, but it’s a point where the last thing you want to do is break up pins, and they build the whole thing around breaking up pins. Even without that part of the match felt overly long, and like they were stretching it out to fit in a lot of ideas. The ending came off as cold and would’ve under any circumstance, but waiting so long to get there didn’t help.

This one worked better live too. TV is really good at following the one on one action, but it felt like they were missing during the multimans early. The big four way dive spot looked very good on TV, but was absolutely incredible live (plus had another dive they missed – poor Máximo got missed twice!) and the production just couldn’t keep out. The announcers weren’t any better at getting across the idea of the final two advancing to next than they were at getting across the idea live.

Dragon Lee tope
operacion Dragon
wait, what was Dorada’s actual plan here
this looked 500% more amazing in person
Valiente Special
just the normal boost headscissors to the floor


Lucha Underground tour info, Mascara Dorada wins in Lucha Libre Boom

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Bengala & Sensei b El Coyote & Grako
Tecnicos took 2/3.
2) El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo b Oro Jr., Soberano Jr., Star Jr.
Oro Jr. replaced Starman (who’s been missing for a couple weeks now.) Straight falls for tecnicos, Skandalo unmasking Soberano.
3) Bobby Z, Sagrado, Virus b Esfinge, Hombre Bala Jr., Stigma
Rudos took 2/3.
4) Blue Panther, Johnny Idol, Rey Cometa b Kráneo, Sam Adonis, Vangellys
Johnny Idol replaced Diamante Azul on Monday. Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Carístico, Diamante Azul, Marco Corleone b La Máscara, Mr. Niebla, Último Guerrero
Diamante Azul replaced Angel de Oro (ROH) on Monday. Tecnicos took 2/3.

Another no angle show.

LLB DTU (SUN) 10/16/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Kronosport, R de Rudo]
1) Bracito De Plata b Dragóncito De Oro, Mini Fantasma De La Opera, Panterita, Súper Pinochito, Felinito, Mini Dr. Xtreme, Pachuco, Oficialito AK47
2) Atomic Star, Freelance, Ojo De Halcón b Chica Ye-Ye, Fuerza Negra, Robin
Robin replaced Loco Max and hit the barricade head first on an over the rope tope, needed medical attention.
3) Atm, Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro b Eterno, Fly Star, Séptimo Dragón, Toxin
Terry beat Eterno
4) Drastik Boy & Ronnie Mendoza DCOR Mike Segura & Sádico and Arez & Belial Ronnie Mendoza y Draztick Boy vs Sadico y Mike Segura vs Arez y Belial | BOOM | 16-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Golden Generacion and Segura/Sadico went to a double countout after Arez & Belial were pinned.
5) Bárbaro Cavernario & Lunatik Xtreme b Carta Brava Jr. (IWL) & Fantasma de la Ópera and Cíclope & Paranoiko and Ángel o Demonio & Ovett
Lunatik replaced Misterioso. Extreme match (barbed wire.) Barbaro Cavernario beat Ciclope & Paranoiko.
6) Máscara Dorada b Carístico, Titán (CMLL), Volador Jr. [Copa Boom Internacional] Volador Jr. vs Mascara Dorada vs Caristico vs Titán | BOOM | 16-10-16 (posted by TVLuchaMundial)
Dorada Driver on Titan. Said to be good.

Publimetro has a story collecting Black Terry Jr.’s video (and bloody pictures) of Robin’s accident.

Dorada went from not appearing on this show to winning the main event and getting a trophyTerry has the highlights of the main event; RobViper says it was really good. AYM was not taping the show, so you’ll have to get the show from Terry or someone else who recorded it on their own.

Mascara Dorada goes from this match to team with Mistico & Valiente tonight in Arena Puebla. They face Euforia, Gran Guerrero and La Mascara. Mascara’s involvement means this is less likely to end cleanly than on Friday, but Dorada’s been doing some of the best work of his career the last few months and even a normally sleepy match in Puebla might be must watching.

It’s all trios matches on the show tonight. Atlantis, Johnny Idol & Maximo face Negro Casas, Sam Adonis and Shocker; Adonis fouled Idol last week. Guerrero Maya, Stigma and Stuka face Invasors Kraneo, Olimpico and Ripper. Astral, Austirano, Electrico take on Mini Joker, Pequeno Violencia and Sauron, in a minis match which is one mini rudo short of being pretty good. The opener is Astro, Paris, Vega and Fuerza Chicana, Guerrero Espacial, and Inquisidor.

The CMLL Puebla show airs at 9pm on

The venues for the Lucha Underground shows are out. Mariachi Loco posted the info on his Facebook, Marty Elias had it posted it before on instagram.

10/23 Phoenix – Arizona State Fair (free show with $10 adult/$5 children fair admission ticket)
10/30 Houston – Traders Village Flea Market ($4 parking and free admission)
11/05 Escondido (San Diego) – Tamale Festival (free admission)

No start times. None of the websites for these events mention Lucha Underground, but Lucha Underground has acknowledged them this morning when asked about them on Twitter and have said more details are coming.

These shows seem more like brand building than stand alone trying to make money themselves. That’s not necessarily a fatal flaw: DTU’s show at a fair on Sunday had an excellent sounding Ronnie Mendoza/Pesadilla vs Puma/Tiger match, so I think LU can have a good show at a Tamale Festival too. I would just keep your expectations in check if you’re going to these.

Angel de Oro lost to Kamaitachi in Dearborn on Saturday’s ROH show. Match was said to be pretty good. So that’s two things we can seem to credit to Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi: ROH seems more excited to bring in CMLL people, and Kamaitachi is actually winning now.

The La Parka story headlines Box Y Lucha 3255.

Magnifico took Tony Rivera’s hair on Coliseo Coacalco’s anniversary show. Black Out lost his mask to Mr. Potro in a cage match on the same show. He’s Jose Luis Contreras Chavez, 21 years old, 1 year a wrestler.

LigerFever translated +LuchaTV’s recent interview with Psycho Clown. Psycho Clown told a long story about how he absolutely can not wrestle for three weeks and he’s right on the edge of making Star Battle, and then he was in the ring a couple days later. (He probably shouldn’t be in the ring.)


CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena México
1) Fantasy & Stukita vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Violencia
2) La Jarochita, Lluvia, Princesa Sugehit vs La Seductora, Tiffany, Zeuxis
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Pegasso, Rey Cometa vs Bobby Z, Pólvora, Vangellys
4) Mistico, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. vs Felino, La Máscara, Mephisto
5) Mr. Niebla, Pierroth, Rush vs Gran Guerrero, Shocker, Último Guerrero [Relevos Increíbles]

Main event is listed a relevos increibles. In CMLL’s mind, Rush is still a tecnico. He’s a rudo in everyone else’s mind and all his friends are rudo but CMLL is weird.

There’s likely a big match on 10/30, though not one they’ve bothered to set up. Rush/UG? Volador/Mephisto? Mistico/Mascara?

There’s been lots of women’s matches of late, but not a lot of Zeuxis. She’s not been totally frozen out since her WWE appearance, but this will be only her second appearance in the last four weeks.

Lucha Memes (SUN) 10/23/2016 Coliseo Coacalco, Coacalco, Estado de México
1) Astrolux, Baby Star, Zafiro (Chihuahua) vs Black Metal, Diosa Atenea, Moria
2) Impulso vs Mike Segura
3) Flyer, Soberano Jr., Star Jr. vs Alas de Acero, Aramis, Iron Kid
4) Negro Navarro © vs Alberto Dos Rios [FMLL CHAMP]
5) Keira vs Silueta
6) Ronnie Mendoza vs Dragón Lee
7) Hechicero vs Sammy Guevara

Full card for this Sunday’s show; I think the opener’s new. 3/6/7 have great potential.

CMLL (SUN) 10/23/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Johnny Dinamo vs El Diplomático
2) Cosmos & El Alteño vs Mr. Brisa & Relámpago
3) El Divino, Sky Kid, Smaker vs Demonio Rojo, Gran Kenut, Thunder Boy
4) El Yaqui vs Évola
5) Metatrón, Nautilius, Neutrón vs Joker, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno

Yaqui/Evola were in a tag match this week after Evola cheated to win two weeks ago, so that’a  feud and maybe an upcoming hair match.

XMW (SAT) 11/12/2016 Arena XMW, Ecatepec, Estado de México
1) Fulgor I & Fulgor II vs Maldad & Poseidón
2) Toxin, Wasson, Yoruba vs Douki, Orión, Taylor Wolf
3) Arez vs Belial, Kronoz, Torny, Fly Metalik, Obscuro
4) Látigo vs Rey Cometa vs Fly Warrior
5) Metaleón vs Tiger
6) Wotan vs LA Park vs Fly Star

XMW exists, has it’s own arena? Definitely has an odd main event.