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RobViper and I talk for two hours (?!?!) about AAA, Lucha Underground and various speculation on both. We talk about maybe vacant titles, maybe disappeared foreign stars, and other things which maybe would cause trouble if everyone else wasn’t paying attention to Daniel Bryan anyway. RobViper has a rant about CMLL, I complain (again) about people paying attention to stuff that doesn’t really matter in a stream of consciousness that never seems to end. Nothing is really solved. We talk about the Guerra de Titanes show and answer some questions too. Hopefully this podcast still matters by the time you listen to it.

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Panteras keep the IWRG title, CMLL in Puebla

photo by Black Terry Jr.
photo by Black Terry Jr.

UWE (SAT) 02/06/2016 Arena Lopez Mateos [Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), Estrellas del Ring, Kronosport]
1) Gato Montes & Rey Infierno b Bravo I & Bravo II
2) Esther Moreno & India Sioux b Chica Tormenta & Reina del Sur
Esther Moreno was the surprise luchadora, got the win.
3) Ironía b Freelance, Pegazus, Alastor Freelances vs Pegazuz vs Ironia vs Alastor 06/02/2016 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
4) Alas de Oro, Golden Magic, Terry 2000 b Arez, Sádico, Yoruba Golden Magic, Terry 2000 y Alas de Oro vs Arez, Sadico y Yoruba 06/02/2016 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
5) Máximo & Rey Hechicero b Caifan & Dr. Cerebro  (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Hechicero beat Cafian for the win. said to be a very good match
6) Carístico & Cibernético b La Máscara & Rush
Ciber/Caristico took 2/3. Mascara escaped La Mistica, but Caristico pulled his cradle for the win.

Caristico actually gets pinfalls away from Arena Mexico! Cheating ones but still.

IWRG (SUN) 02/07/2016 Arena Naucalpan [+LuchaTV, Black Terry Jr. (Flickr), IWRG]
1) Adrenalina & Vampiro Metálico b Black Dragón & Kaling Black
2) Astro, Emperador Azteca, Súper Astro Jr. b Balak, Hip Hop Man, Novasonic Super Astro Jr., Emperador Azteca y Astro vs Hip Hop Man, Balak y Novasonic | IWRG | 07/02/16 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
3) Diablo Jr. I, El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible b Diva Salvaje, Dr. Cerebro, Pantera I Imposible, Hijo del Diablo y Diablo Jr. vs Dr. Cerebro, Diva Salvaje y Pantera I | IWRG | 07/02/16 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
straight falls.
4) Atomic Star, Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Trauma I b Danny Casas, Dragón Fly, Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno
Trauma I stole the victory over Hijo de Dos from Herodes, and asked for his own heavyweight title shot. Herodes still wants one. Dos suggested they put their hair and mask on the line against his title.
5) Hijo del Pantera & Pantera © b Negro Navarro & Trauma II [IWRG IC TAG] Negro Navarro y Trauma II vs Hijo del Pantera y Pantera | IWRG | 07/02/16 (posted by tvluchadelpasado)
Panteras retained the titles. Second defense

AYM didn’t tape Sunady’s IWRG show, so Black Terry Jr. has highlights of the tag title match, Imposible, Dibalo, Dibalo Jr. vs Dr. Cerbero, Diva Salvaje, Pantera I and Super Astro Jr., Emperador Azteca, Astro vs Hip Hop Man, Balak, Novasonic.

There was a Super Astro Jr. wrestling in 2007; I’d assume this is a new one since he doesn’t turn up again until 2015 (and he looks quite young.)

Today’s Arena Puebla is main evented Atlantis, Mascara Dorada, Mistico versus Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Ultimo Guerrero. Volador and Negro Casas had the issue in the main event last week, and will match up in a lightning match this week. Last week’s show also saw Mephisto cheated to defeat Angel de Oro and they’re matched up again in at trios with Titan, Triton, Luciferno & Ephesto. Like always, it’ll stream on CMLL’s website and on their YouTube channel at 9pm.

Konnan’s harsh comments about AAA and others were picked up by SuperLuchas. This seems like some new comments, but I don’t see a new podcast up on their site – maybe it’s on their message board? The newer things were criticism about how AAA would waste guys like Johnny Mundo in useless matches with the likes of La Parka, and how Faby Apache lost a hair match but didn’t actually cut her hair. (The bit where Faby was wrestling a lucha libre expo a few days later with a cap on, only the cap flew off during the match and exposed she didn’t shave her head, is still hilarious.) SuperLuchas previously mentioned Konnan being out as booker, but the stuff about Jarochita & Argos was skipped before, isn’t being skipped now. Those kind of statements are usually skipped over by Mexican press.

Lucha Underground is putting up short videos following up on each week’s show on their channel. Last week had Catrina talking about her plans. This week has the Mack happy about his win.

MasLucha has a lot of new videos, including Mascara Dorada talking about his return to Arena Mexico.

Segunda Caida watches Negro Navarro, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro

Trauma II is not always the biggest fan of catching dives.


CMLL (SAT) 02/13/2016 Arena Coliseo
1) Acero vs Pequeño Violencia
2) Sensei vs Cholo
3) Oro Jr. vs Hijo del Signo
4) Hombre Bala Jr. vs Nitro
5) Marcela vs Amapola
6) Guerrero Maya Jr. & The Panther vs Puma & Tiger
7) Blue Panther, Máscara Dorada, Stuka Jr. vs Euforia, Felino, Niebla Roja

Semimain is tag champs versus logical contenders (and probably also a really good match.)

CMLL Elite (SUN) 02/14/2016 Arena México
1) Astral & Eléctrico vs Pequeño Olímpico & Principe Diamante
2) Lluvia & Marcela vs La Comandante & Muñeca De Plata
3) Rocky Lobo & Zumbi vs Argos & Karonte Jr.
4) Ángel de Oro, Golden Magic, Super Crazy vs Felino, Puma, Tiger
5) Black Warrior, Marco Corleone, Rush vs Cibernético, Hijo de Lizmark, Mephisto
6) Carístico vs La Máscara

Caristico might actually win? Nah. Rocky Lobo makes his debut.

CMLL (SUN) 02/14/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Ángel Aéreo & Rey Halcón vs Diplomático & Guerrero de la Muerte
2) El Alteño & El Yaqui vs Carlos Rogi & Demonio Rojo
3) Vaquero Jr. vs Mágico, Nautilius, El Divino, Reycko, Sádico, El Chakal, Furia Roja, Espectrum, Relampago [cibernetico, Copa Guadalajara]
celebration of 474 years of Guadalajara.
4) Shockercito & Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16 & Pierrothito

That’s a unique lineup. I can’t think of another minis main event that wasn’t a multiman cage match. (I keep trying to look in my database and my database gives up and dies.) It’s more because the minis happened to be the only CMLL DF people sent for this show, but they’d often stick them in the semimain just because they’re minis.

2015 Lucha Libre Win/Loss Records

Time for the usual end of year stats, because 2015 results might be done (and I might have cleaned it up.) I’m still relying heavily on KrisZ finding posters and I can’t really believe I’m still typing them all in, but here were are.

Year (2009 on) Shows Matches
2009: 2359 shows, 10123 matches
2010: 2580 shows, 11216 matches
2011: 2704 shows, 11972 matches
2012: 2821 shows, 12875 matches (-3)
2013: 2724 shows, 12901 matches (+25)
2014: 5550 shows, 25026 matches (+5)
2015: 6325 shows, 28674 matches

Those +numbers indicate the number of shows I’ve added to those years this past year, or removed due to duplication. It never ends.

I tracked more shows in 2015 than I did in 2012 and 2013 combined. That’s a lot of typing, and also probably a lot of typos. At the same time, it’s a fraction of all the shows that take place. There are plenty of promotions not putting up a poster where anyone on the internet can find them, and there’s plenty of people putting up other content but not giving a date; it hurts every time I find a YouTube upload and can’t put a date to the match. Also, none of the Season 2 Lucha Underground tapings are included in this, as I’m not posting them until the shows completely air. All data is flawed and this is definitely data.

I’ve put a big chart of all the people I tracked and had matches (2477 luchadors) in this Google Doc. As usual, it’s split up by which roster they were on during the year: if they were on multiple rosters, they’ll show up multiple times. This is a dumb way of doing this, but it’s the dumb way I’ve been doing for years.

Record setters from the year after the break. You can previous years on the records tag.

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