Lucha Underground 2×2: The Dark and The Mysterious

the matches

best sequence of Killshot’s night

Johnny Mundo defeated Killshot (Fin de Mundo, 4:23, OK)
the Mack defeated PJ Black (Stunner counter, 6:45, OK)
Prince Puma & Pentagon Jr. [O] defeated the Disciples of Death (Siniestro de la Muerte, Barrio Negro, Trece [X]) (Puma 630 senton with Pentagon stealing the pin, 7:36, good)

the developments

The main plot followed up on the events from last week. Puma & Pentagon Jr. were paired up in two versus three handicap match. In the locker room, Pentagon thanked Puma for assist in helping him break Mil Muertes arm last week, hoped Puma would do the same with the Disciples so their arms could be broken, and then promised to do the same to Puma. Puma didn’t like this idea, and they fought to a quick indecisive finish. Puma and Pentagon Jr. did win the handicap match despite Pentagon being a poor teammate. They did get it together, and they were aided by two of the Disciples taking each other on a misaimed dive spot. Puma and Pentagon’s fight resumed after Pentagon Jr. stole the pin. Pentagon tried to break Puma’s arm, but Puma got away. Both men made it clear they want Mil Muertes, but equally have problems with each other. For his part, Mil Muertes was back on his throne this week, but his broken arm was in a sling. (There was no hint he might be giving up the belt.)

Vampiro appeared to be conflicted and confused by the Pentagon Jr. thing. He didn’t like it when Striker would ask questions about their relationship (and if Vampiro orchestrated the attack on Muertes last week – Vamp deflected that), but he also didn’t like it when Striker would say negative things about Pentagon.

forget "big man"; the Mack is agile for a man of any size
forget “big man”; the Mack is agile for a man of any size

Everyone’s gunning for Muertes. The opening segment of the night saw Johnny Mundo pick up a win over Killshot (though it took an unseen foul) and issue his own title challenge. Mundo was interrupted by Cage, who added his name to the mix of challengers. Mundo and Cage had an argument over this – and over Cage beating Mundo back in Season 1. Mundo backed off for a fight, tried to sneak attack anyway, and was knocked away. Cage came off as the less detestable of the two.

The night featured a lot of Season 2 characters being introduced. PJ Black, possibly inhabited by the spirit of a wolf, fought off luchador bikers in a vignette but didn’t have the same success with the Mack. Kobra Moon got her own debut vignette and will be on next week’s show. To close out the show, the hooded man from the end of last season (and from the very first segment of the first show) was formally revealed as Dragon Azteca Jr. His new mentor explained he was trained by Dragon Azteca as well, was off the mask but went a different path, but will pass that training onto Azteca Jr. That new mentor is Rey Mysterio Jr., making his first on screen appearance.

(Dragon Azteca Jr. seemed to change people in season one, but now is clearly Tijuana luchador Rey Horuz, the former second Hijo de Rey Misterio. That adds some metatext to this plot.)

There was also a check in on Marty the Moth and Sexy Star. They’re in a new location than the end of Ultima Lucha, with Marty in normal people (normal preppy people)’s clothes, but still obsessed with moths and Sexy Star. Sexy is still locked up. Marty did say “they” would eventually bring Sexy back to the temple, though Marty’s sister remained unseen.

Pentagon was a little amped up
Pentagon was a little amped up

Thoughts

The second episode seems to be the tough one. The second episode of the first season was one of the roughest of that season, and this felt like a marked step down from the first episode. That first episode set a high bar, but this one still felt off by normal measures.

The Killshot/Mundo match appeared to be heavily edited. There were abrupt jumps between spots, and Striker was pushing this as a great Killshot performance when the match was two minuted old and he’d been on offense for maybe 45 seconds on it. It only went about four minutes total and the announcers were reacting to a much longer match. Mundo had a few matches against guys who haven’t been in the big title picture during season 1 (Angelico and Aerostar are the first I can think of) and those matches felt more substantive and just plain better than this one. Killshot hasn’t really connected at all yet. It seems like there’s more plans for him – those military vignettes should air at some point – but he’s missing the match to go along with it.

another day, another springboard SSP
another day, another springboard SSP

PJ Black’s vignette was great in it’s over the top Lucha Underground style. The rival bikers taking off their helmets to reveal lucha masks was so ridiculous it was right in the usual style. (Like wise, the Kobra Moon vignette was fun – laser sounds for punches – though her character was less clear.) The match itself against the Mack was missing something. I liked it more than opener easily, but it never clicked for me and the character came off weaker after it. Vampiro being unimpressed with the Darewolf nickname and not knowing much about him only kind of works if Vampiro is impressed by Black by the end of the match. The Mack won, and Vampiro wasn’t impressed, so I dunno what we were doing here. (“Darewolf” is not great, but it’s better than “Black To The Future” – especially when you’re facing The Mack.) Black wasn’t helped by Killshot using Black’s 450 as a near fall in the last match. I understand they want surprises on this show, but Black didn’t get to do his big move (which some else did), he didn’t get any other memorable spot (Mack got that), he was billed as the ‘other’ South African whose cool nickname from the vignette was silly in the match, and he also lost. This was not a successful segment.

(Flipside argument: El Rey aired a very nice Black History Month video right before the Mack’s match, including clips of the Mack in action, and I was suddenly dreading Lucha Underground having their only two black luchadors be used as enhancement talent.)

Main event felt very WWE, with the feuding top guys beating the midcard tag team champions even though they’re still feuding. The difference here is it was even 2 on 3, though they at least set up a sensible finish where the Disciples took each other out and it was suddenly the Puma/Pentagon team that had the numbers. Still – felt like there should’ve been some talk about two guys beating the trios champions, who could’ve been trios champions had they just dragged a third person out of the crowd to stand on the apron all match. The announcers avoided that topic at all. The commentary for that match sounded very post produced, as if they were retaping it to try to get something (Vamp/Pentagon?) more in the direction they wanted. There was a lot more talk about Vamp being in the mental hospital in that match than the entire first episode too.

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sweet dive out of Siniestro de la Muerte anyway

I did like some stuff on this show! Context aside, the main event match was fun and easily the best match on the show. The intro vignettes were good. So was the Pentagon/Puma bit to start the show. And ending with the Rey reveal felt like a big moment.

When you look back at it – this was not a show with a superb match and this was a not a lot happened that you needed to see. They added some new pieces to the game, but they didn’t advance most of the ones you were interested in last week. Cage/Mundo was set up for down the line. Mysterio debuted, but in a 20 second bit which is only important if you missed the hype for Mysterio debuting (and the plot there was covered better in the comic book last week.) Puma/Pentagon/Muertes is going on, but you knew that last week. The Fenix/Cuerno story and the Ivelisse/Havoc/Angelico stories took a week off. If you took a week off too, you’ll probably be OK. It’ll probably be better next week.

LU episode 2, boring CMLL show, Konnan talks about AAA changes, Jarochita & Argos

CMLL (TUE) 02/02/2016 Arena México [CMLL]
1) Cholo & Espanto Jr. b Metatrón & Sensei MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 2 DE FEBRERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:54. Rudos took 2/3.
2) El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo b Hombre Bala Jr., Starman, Súper Halcón Jr. MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 2 DE FEBRERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:05. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus b Oro Jr., Pegasso, Tritón MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 2 DE FEBRERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:17. Cancerberos took 1/3.
4) Hechicero b Delta [lightning] MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 2 DE FEBRERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
7:45 via conjuro.
5) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Super Porky b Felino, Ripper, Tiger MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 2 DE FEBRERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:54. Tecnicos took 1/3.
6) Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder DQ Gran Guerrero, Mr. Niebla, Niebla Roja MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 2 DE FEBRERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
9:44. Revolucionarios took 1/2, then last when Thunder tossed his mask to Niebla for the DQ.

Another pointless Tuesday show. I liked Hechicero/Delta but I always like Delta Hechicero. Cuatrero & Sanson are nice additions because they’re better than the Arkangel/Nitro class of guys who’d normally be in that match. Their match wasn’t Good, but there’s a promise of them being there in a few months. Really, that’s the same thing with Fujin and Raijin, who will give CMLL some different and likely better match ups than the status quo. It’d be much better if CMLL actually booked interesting matches or put people in positions to have them, but slight turnover of the roster can help where nothing else is happening (and CMLL’s best ‘booking’ trend of the last few years has been adding new talent to the mix.)

Fujin and Raijin are supposed to be on today’s CMLL Informa at 5pm CT. It’s their only streaming appearance in the near future: they’re working only Tuesday Guadalajara shows and Sunday Elite shows so far, and almost every other show is steamed. The other guests are Lluvia, Shocker, Okumura, Kamaitachi, and Mascara Dorada.

Lucha Underground has (kind of) announced three matches for tonight’s episode, ”

  • Johnny Mundo versus Killshot
  • PJ Black (debut) versus The Mack
  • Pentagon Jr. in action

That’s the complete list of matches. Pentagon Jr.’s match will be set up during the show. PJ Black is WWE’s Justin Gabriel, originally from South Africa. There may be one more debut behind the scenes on this show; one of these characters has a new associate but they’re not seen in front of the crowd for a few more weeks.

On this week’s MLW Radio, Konnan says he’s out as booker in AAA. He’s still with the company as a road agent, and he came up with finishes for Guerra de Titanes, but the matches and storylines currently on are the work of Dorian and Joaquin Roldan. This is a fluid situation that’s changed a few times: he’s made it clear prior that the TripleMania card and the original December Guerra de Titanes card were not his, but the Heroes Inmortales show in between did include his storylines. (It did come off like a permanent change this time.) Konnan’s not a big fan of what was done instead, but he also sounds like a man who was tired of the stress of the position. Here’s a rant, started off by Konnan noting people ask him for jobs in creative all the time and Konnan explaining creative is not just putting names together in matches:

When you actually get in that position – first of all, why have so many people failed in that position, have you ever asked yourself that question? I mean, why have so people fai-because there’s so many inherent politics and filters and bullshit and shit beyond your control, plus the fact you got to keep – how many people are on your roster, you’ve got to keep twenty, thirty, forty, fifty people happy – everyone’s got to be happy.

You’ve got guys that don’t like each other, you guys that stand you up for money, you got guys that want extra money to do a job, you got guys that who want to hook up their friends, you got your boss who doesn’t like a certain guy or certain idea, you got so many variables that come in to making shit work. Then, if you use certain guys, it’s because you like them. And if you don’t use certain guys, it’s because you hate them.

According to Konnan, the Fenix/Mesias storyline and also the Pentagon/Jack one (which was supposed to lead to mask versus hair) are both dead. The Australian Suicide/Daga one is expected to continue. Konnan said there was a lot on Guerra de Titanes that didn’t make sense to him. He thinks it was silly to have Angelico & Jack vacate the tag titles when Angelico’s going to be back in a month and while they’ve had many other championships go undefended for months. He thought the trios title match was strange, with two teams who hadn’t teamed ever and one team that had teamed for three months, instead of any sort of normal team. He didn’t understand why they were going with Mesias and Texano as a feud when both have been rudos are in the same faction. (Averno & Chessman are confirmed to be out of La Sociedad though.) Konnan wasn’t harsh or loud in his criticism, but just didn’t think it made sense.

With all that said, Konnan felt Guerra de Titanes did well live, and credits it to the product being hot because he doesn’t think the specific lineup was all that good.

Konnan says Rey isn’t returning to AAA until some money issues are worked out, and remains open to a part time schedule with WWE but has no interest in a full time return similar to Alberto del Rio. Konnan uses Rey’s experience with the Five Star Wrestling tour in the UK as an example of promoters being dumb today, pointing out a lot of stuff mentioned in the Observer that they did that made Rey look bad.

Konnan was more harsh towards two people who left AAA:

Konnna says La Jarochita told the press Taya was getting paid more than other girls and it’s because she’s Konnan’s friend. Konnan says he doesn’t decide the pay at all in AAA. Jarochita complained when she started about not being used right, but Konnan says she came in super out of shape (“you came in fat”) and wore outfits that exposed it. “Now that you’re in CMLL, see if you can get by on your wrestling talents, and not trying to sleep around like you did in AAA with who you thought had power.”

Argos said Konnan stopped young guys from getting over. Konnan mentions Dinstia, Fenix, Daga, Taya off the top of his head as young people he didn’t stop. Konnan tells the classic Argos story: he and Semental had a tryout before an AAA show, and Konnan was very impressed with both. Except, once Argos was a tecnico on his own away from Argos, he was falling down all the times in matches and it turned out Semental had just been awesome in that match. (Konnan rates Semental as one of the top 5 bases in AAA.) Other wrestlers told Konnan that Argos was hard to deal with, and didn’t want to work with him because he was too focused on getting his own stuff in. (Those people would tell Konnan, not Argos, who remained oblivious.) Argos started to gain weight, so Konnan tried turning him rudo to see if that would work any better, and it did not. Argos just isn’t any good, so he didn’t get pushed – Konnan points out Elite isn’t even putting him that high and thinks he probably wouldn’t be used at all if not a favor for Myzteziz.

In a fun fact, Konnan says Perro Aguayo Sr. & Jr. used to call Texano and Silver King “big cassette and little cassette”, because they used to watch all the VHSs they could get from Japan to get ideas. It’s quite noticeable there’s been no talk about Lucha Underground TV on these podcasts; there’s even open to talk about it when Melina’s time there comes up, and both hosts kind of step around it. Maybe they’re just not interested in it this season.

In an interview from Guerra de Titanes with +LuchaTV, Sexy Star talks about being disappointed with missing the show and isn’t sure how soon she’ll be back. She does say it might be quick, and it apparently was so – she did wrestle on last weekend’s Lucha Underground tapings.

There’s Elite show in Juarez on 03/27 – or maybe 03/20, depending if you’re looking at Aereo’s comment or the poster. That’s a Sunday, so it joins the 02/21 Sunday in Monterrey where Elite is listed some place besides Arena Mexico.

03/12 RIOT card so far
Unmexicans vs Compadres Extremos
Alberto Dos Rios vs Psycko Kid
Tony Rodriguez vs Rico Rodriguez
Kratoz vs Kamikaze (ex-Viento Divino) – new

It looks like one of the Incontenibles took Arana Negra III’s mask in Arena Lopez Mateos. This was Arana Negra III’s debut match.

AAA’s uploaded their version of Guerra de Titanes part 1.

Segunda Caida reviews Virus vs Rocky Romero

Atomic Star talks about winning El Protector for the third time.

The boxing, lucha and MMA regulations are being updated in Ensenada.

Skayde Jr. talks about the show he’s promoting outside of Chicago with Atlantis & Octagon on Sunday, straight up against the Super Bowl. Good luck.

Lineup

IWRG (SUN) 02/07/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Black Dragón & Kaling Black vs Adrenalina & Vampiro Metálico
2) Astro, Emperador Azteca, Súper Astro Jr. vs Balak, Hip Hop Man, Novasonic
3) Diva Salvaje, Dr. Cerebro, Pantera I vs Diablo Jr. I, El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible
5) Danny Casas, Dragón Fly, Hijo De Dos Caras, Veneno vs Atomic Star, Heddi Karaoui, Herodes Jr., Trauma I
6) Hijo del Pantera & Pantera © vs Negro Navarro & Trauma II [IWRG IC TAG]

Navarros won in straight falls this past weekend to set up that match. Semimain has the finalists from El Protector to continue the Herodes/Dos feud. Some new names listed in the early matches (and Kaling Black is making his once a year appearance?)

CMLL Elite (SUN) 02/07/2016 Arena México
1) Centvrión & Fly Warrior vs Artillero & Cholo
2) La Jarochita & Rossy Moreno vs Amapola & Dalys
3) Dinamic Black, Fuego, Metaleón vs Fujin, Heddi Karaoui, Raijin
4) Golden Magic & Tritón vs Puma & Tiger
5) Juventud Guerrera, Super Crazy, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Felino, Negro Casas
6) Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Máscara Dorada vs Cibernético, La Máscara, Mephisto

You can tell Elite isn’t booked by CMLL’s normal crew because they actually use the Ingobernables as rudos. There are some promising matches.

Fujin & Raijin making their debut against two indie guys and teaming with the French MMA guy is so CMLL on the non-TV show.

The last match I have with Rossy Moreno in Arena Mexico was Febuary 23, 1990. There’s plenty of missing gaps in the early 90s, but we’re talking something like 25 years between matches in this arena. She’s another person who was working on the Todo x el Todo shows previously.

CMLL (TUE) 02/09/2016 Arena México
1) Flyer & Leono vs Apocalipsis & Artillero
2) La Vaquerita, Lluvia, Skadi vs La Comandante, La Seductora, Reyna Isis
3) Súper Halcón Jr. vs Disturbio [lightning]
4) Blue Panther Jr., Soberano Jr., Stigma vs El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
5) Delta, Esfinge, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Misterioso Jr., Pierroth, Sagrado
6) Blue Panther, Stuka Jr., Super Porky vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Vangellys

There’s no match that I think it’ll be better than OK on this show. That’s depressing.

CMLL (TUE) 02/09/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Mágico & Magnum vs Mr. Trueno & Rey Trueno
2) Estrellita, Princesa Sugehit, Silueta vs Dalys, Tiffany, Zeuxis
3) Fuego, Titán, Tritón vs Fujin, Okumura, Raijin
4) Ángel de Oro, Atlantis, Dragón Lee vs Cavernario, Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora
5) Marco Corleone, Máscara Dorada, Máximo Sexy vs Euforia, Kráneo, Último Guerrero

Meanwhile, Fujin & Raijin stay off the streaming shows for the moment. Their match look better than every match on this Arena Mexico, and this is the better card easily.