Lucha Underground Season 3 official, CMLL weekend results

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CMLL (SAT) 01/30/2016 Arena Coliseo [CMLL]
1) Leono b Inquisidor
Leono won with a motocicleta
2) Espanto Jr. b Sensei
Sensei was stretchered out.
3) Hijo del Signo b Robin
Signo used a Cerrajera variant to win.
4) Raziel b Soberano Jr.
Raziel won with a nudo.
5) Dalys & Zeuxis b La Vaquerita & Skadi
Dalys & Zeuxis won with a code red and a La Roca.
6) Boby Z, Rey Bucanero, Terrible b Máximo Sexy, The Panther, Titán
The Panther replaced Super Porky, who’s still not back. Rudos powerbombed all the tecnicos for the win.
7) Valiente b Niebla Roja
Valiente used the ropes to defeat Niebla Roja.

This has nothing to do with Valiente cheating to win, but I wonder if the return of Mascara Dorada will lead to another reconfiguration of the top tecnico trio. It’s a shame CMLL only feels like doing one of tecnico unit of any merit at a time, because there’s a bunch of guys who could use a group, but it like a waste not to have Dorada in something big.

CMLL ELITE (SUN) 01/31/2016 Arena México [+LuchaTV, KronoSport]
1) Astral & Último Dragoncito b Pierrothito & Principe Diamante
Tecnicos took 1/3. Principe Diamante is a rudo this week for whatever reason.
2) Arkángel de la Muerte & Heddi Karaoui b Bengala & Robin
Rudos took 1/3.
3) Argos, Karonte Jr., Magnus b Fuego, Pegasso, Tritón
Karontes worked as rudos, took falls 2/3.
4) Cavernario & Negro Casas DQ Juventud Guerrera & Super Crazy
Peste Negra took 1/3. Crazy got beat, came back in to attack Negro Casas. Usual hair match challenged followed
5) Euforia & Último Guerrero b Mephisto & Sharlie Rockstar
Guerreros took 1/3.
6) Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Titán DQ Cibernético, La Máscara, Rush
Titan replaced Mistico. Ingobernables were DQed for excessive violence, then attacked referee Edgar.

Everyone wants a piece of Negro Casas. The good thing for him is the next apuesta challenge that goes anywhere on an Elite show will be the first one.

I’m starting to think that, unless there’s actual hard plans to do Rush/Cibernetico, they probably should just be allies. The three way feud has too many matches which don’t tell make sense (like this one.)

Argos had negative things about Konnan, claiming he favors his group of guys. There’s surely no favoritism in Elite, not at all!

Pro Wrestling Sheet reported Lucha Underground Season 3 was announced as greenlit at a talent meeting Sunday morning. The idea of a third season being secure had been floating around for a few months – Dr. Lucha had been saying so consistently, and Eric Van Wagenen had all but said it was already done way back in October – but official is better than assumed. No return date seemed to be announced. Dave Meltzer mentioned on his podcast and on Twitter that he had heard it’d be July (which would be around the end of Season airing.) People around the show had be talking a return for S3 as soon as April. There’s also no

The Pro Wrestling Sheet report also mentioned the talent was also told the show will be sold on iTunes “in a few months.” Hope that’s before the end of Season 2.

There was a problem with the Temple apparently being overbooked tonight for Ultima Lucha 2. People who understood they had seats for the show were bumped at the last second, seemingly for celebrity VIPs. It was also raining and those who are going to the shows are getting there early to make sure they’re on the list – it’s a tough long day to go home empty handed, especially on Ultima Lucha 2 day. The tickets are free, but the time isn’t. The situation could’ve been handled much better.

The impression is LU will be coming back to the Temple for Season 3. Their problem is the demand is many times the amount of seats they have. It looked packed inside the temple from the photos I saw Saturday and I suspect it’s the same thing Sunday; there’s not much they can do to get more people without moving or some sort of massive reconfigure.

The build to Ultima Lucha 2 had posters for the matches part of the event, so there are photos floating around with the lineup. You may want to be careful at looking things.

There was one other disappointment: TLN did start airing Lucha Underground tonight, but started with Season 1. It makes a certain sense, but people had been led to believe they’d be getting the same episodes as in the US on a few day delay (and even people with Lucha Underground had thought that was the plan.) Maybe it’s something that’ll be fixed next week, but probably you’ll have to go thru the first set before seeing the second.

Ultimo Guerrero defeated Pagano in Arena Neza Saturday night. The match was supposed to be a three way with Rush. On Facebook, Rush explained he did come to the arena, but there was an issue with the promoter and so he did not go to the ring.

The HUMO show today was supposed to have a Zeuxis, Dalys and Lluvia vs Keira, Lady Maravilla, and Mystique. Keira was said to be pulling out after making her AAA appearance last week. She was replaced by – uh, herself. CMLL team beat the sort of AAA team. The undercard was also very changed; when you’re listing Flamita and Super Crazy and end up with Pantera and Villano III, some chaos is happening.

Post match Friday, Volador Jr. claimed he’d have a big surprise from his family to counter the Casas family. Super Parka would not be a big surprise. LA Park would be a big surprise, so big I can’t imagine it actually happening. Maybe it’s Bruni?

Also, Euforia is not in a good mood after his match. No one was!

Tornado Negro II had his retirement match against Tijuana. He’d been feuding with Venum Black, so no surprise they ended up losing their relevos suicidas match and having a final hair match. During that match, Venum Black set up Tornado Negro in a chair for a tope. Negro moved, Black hit the chair and the floor. (This was a really dumb idea.) The match ended there, Tornado Negro coming back in to win by twenty count, but the story was Venom Black going into convulsions. Venom Black is standing a minute or so later (and more quickly recovered than you’d expect for a major head injury.) There’s video here of the whole thing.

Chairo 3 (03/06, Arena Naucalpan, Chairo Kingdom) card so far
Mascara Dorada vs Extreme Tiger, falls count anywhere
Super Muneco vs Maximo
Atlantis vs Caifan

ChilangaMask 03/20 3rd Anniversary card so far
los Caifanes vs Los Traumas
Tigre Universitario vs Jeque
Makabre, Shiryu Dragon vs Wotan, Impulso
Raymond Rowe will appear
El Sagrado & Sangre Fri & Dorado Jr. vs Aero Boy & Fulgor I & Fulgor II – new

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

FantasticaMania makes the cover of this week’s Box Y Lucha.


CMLL (TUE) 02/02/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Akuma & Bengala vs Demonio Rojo & Mr. Trueno
2) Cosmos, Shockercito, Stukita vs Mercurio, Pierrothito, Relampago
3) Esfinge, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr. vs Fujin, Okumura, Raijin
4) Rush vs Kráneo
5) Máscara Dorada, Máximo Sexy, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Euforia, Mephisto

This didn’t appear on CMLL’s website, which I meant to ask about Saturday but never got around to. It was on the CMLL Magazine handout, which @LuchaFans helpfully shared.

IWRG (WED) 02/03/2016 Arena Naucalpan
1) Ángel De La Muerte I & Ángel De La Muerte II vs Alas de Acero & Aramis
2) Dragón Fly, Fireman, Omega vs Adrenalina, Atomic Star, Vampiro Metálico
3) Leo, Mike, Rafy vs Avisman, Hip Hop Man, Vórtize
4) Hijo de Mascara Sagrada, Hijo del Alebrije, Pantera I vs Diablo Jr. I, El Hijo del Diablo, Imposible
5) Argos, Danny Casas, Emperador Azteca vs Apolo Estrada, Canis Lupus, Eterno

A regular IWRG show on a Wednesday is odd.

Casas beats Volador with help from Tiger & Puma, Kamaitachi returns next Friday

bad times for Mije
bad times for Mije

AAA (THU) 01/28/2016 Arena Aficion [Funcion Estelar]
Arena Aficion 64th Anniversary
1) Diosa Atenea © b Tania [WWA WORLD]
Fourth defense for Diosa Atenea
2) Niño Hamburguesa & Súper Nova b Mamba & Polvo de Estrellas
3) Aerostar, Drago, Flamita b Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Súper Fly, Taurus
Flamita replaced Fenix, Taurus & Super Fly replaced Daga & Pentagon Jr.
4) Aeroboy & Violento Jack b Hanaoka & Susumu Yuuya [XLAW TAG]
??th defense for Aeroboy & Violento Jack.
5) El Mesías b Averno, Electroshock, La Parka [Copa Aficion 2015]

They drew a pretty good crowd for this show – based on getting AAA names and being the Anniversary.

DTU (FRI) 01/29/2016 Arena Querétaro [+LuchaTV]
1) El Porrito & Masizito ?? Erwin & Irving
2) Jimmy & Kevin (DTU) b Destello & Zuzu Divine
Zuzu Divine was the mystery luchador(a)
3) Black Fire b Adrenalina, Vengador, Exotico, Kastigador
good match. Black Fire beat Vengador.
4) Susumu b Pesadilla, Drastik Boy, Tony, Jinzo
No Johnny Idol. Tony has returned to his Ave Fenix look, his character before being a Nerd.
5) Espiritu Negro & Rey Cometa b Lanzeloth & Rocky Lobo
Money thrown in. The brothers Espiritu & Cometa asked for a title match after defeating the Nexo champs.
6) Ángel de Oro & Stuka Jr. b Aeroboy & Violento Jack and Ángel o Demonio & Ovett
Stuka beat Ovett with a lamp aided torpedo splash.
7) Miedo Extremo & Sharly Rockstar b Cíclope (DTU) & Super Mega
Prior to the match, Stuka challenged Ciclope to a title match. Sharlie again asked for a title (DTU Consgarado) match against Super Mega.

Stuka eventually challenging for the big DTU title is probably the payoff to the CMLL involvement here, but Ciclope’s still got to defend against Miedo Extremo at some point.

CMLL (FRI) 01/29/2016 Arena México [CMLL, thecubsfan]
1) Arkángel de la Muerte & Cancerbero b Hombre Bala Jr. & Súper Halcón Jr.
19:04. Rudos took 2/3.
2) Puma, Tiger, Virus b Fuego, The Panther, Tritón
14:22. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Guerrero Maya Jr., Titán, Valiente b Ephesto, Luciferno, Pierroth
13:12. Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Gran Guerrero, Mephisto, Niebla Roja b Dragón Rojo Jr., Kráneo, Pólvora
11:10. Guerreros took 2/3.
5) Thunder b Euforia
8:20. Straight falls. Euforia was DQed in the first for unmasking Thunder (and kicked Terror Chino in the head as well.) Thunder beat Euforia with the cradle suplex in the second, though it appeared Euforia kicked out and Terror Chino counted three anyway. Thunder was angry about winning.
6) Cavernario, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero b Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr.
around 12:51. Rudos took 1/3. Volador had Casas down, but Tiger ran down the ramp to distracted Tirantes and Puma snuck in to powerbomb Volador. Casas got the pin. Volador said he was still angry about the Casas family beating his father Super Parka for his hair and wanted a hair match with Negro Casas. Casas walked off without replying.

The first five matches weren’t much notable, and the feed died during the main event, so it wasn’t the greatest show. Claro’s own video of the main event has a big jump around when the feed died, so whatever happened messed up their recording too. It probably won’t air clean until it turns up on Azteca. The Tiger/Puma interference was cool but appears to have gone nowhere since neither of them are booked next. Perhaps one will interfere from the announce booth.

CMLL had backstage promos during this show, which they’ve done in the past but usually only around major shows. Thunder’s promo was so bad you wondered why they had him do it at all (or why they didn’t just pre-tape these so they’d be good.)

The big news from the show was Homenaje a Dos Leyendas being announced for March 18th. Lizmark will be honored. It’s seven weeks out, so there’s time for CMLL to pick a direction and change their mind a couple of times, but Volador/Negro Casas was the strongest pushed feud on this show. Ultimo Guerrero/Thunder was brought up during the week and Thunder did win clean, but UG had no interaction with his rival on this show.

CMLL Arena Coliseo tonight has Niebla Roja versus Valiente. That preview lists Brazo de Plata as wrestling, which would be his first match in 12 days after missing a few matches with an unspecified injury. The preview also doesn’t mention the Robin/Signo match, which is probably just a oversight and not a change. Dalys will be hosting the Turiluchas bus.

Next 2 Lucha Underground episode titles
2×2 (2/3) The Dark & The Mysterious
2×3 (2/10) The Hunt is on…

Rob has highlights of 07/24/15 CMLL.

Shocker & Camorra taught self defense to children.

Local officials are working to set up a lucha libre Hall of Fame in Ciudad Juarez. The person in charge says they’re working on 15 sculptures of famous luchadors and hoping to move into a location near Gimnasio Josue Neri Santos.

Shueisha has an interview with Okumura about his time in Japan. He says he’s in the last quarter of his career.

Eric Mutter writes a history of Atlantis.


CMLL (FRI) 02/05/2016 Arena México
1) Astral & Eléctrico vs Demus 3:16 & Pequeño Olímpico
2) Estrellita, Marcela, Princesa Sugehit vs Amapola, Dalys, Zeuxis
3) Stuka Jr. vs Boby Z [lightning]
4) Blue Panther, La Máscara, Titán vs Luciferno, Rey Bucanero, Vangellys
5) Dragón Lee, Marco Corleone, Máximo Sexy vs Kamaitachi, Terrible, Último Guerrero
6) Máscara Dorada, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Cavernario, Mephisto, Negro Casas

No Tiger or Puma. Mascara Dorada does get his first Arena Mexico match in 13 months. Kamaitachi returns in the semimain. He’s listed on a show in late February, so he’s going to be around for a while. The inevitable Dragon Lee/Kamaitachi rematch has to be occurring at some point; I’d do it at Dos Leyendas, but that’s looking a little crowded.

CMLL Friday night shows were airing on about a week delay last time they were on Mexico TV. That would make this the first TDN taping. CMLL still lists this show as airing on

CMLL on 2016-01-29 

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Recapped: 01/29/2016

What happened: Negro Casas beat Volador Jr. with the help of his nephews Tiger & Puma. Volador demanded a hair versus hair match to avenge his father. Thunder defeated Euforia in straight falls, though the second fall finish appeared to be blown by Terror Chino.

CMLL announced Homenaje a Dos Leyendas would take place on March 18th. Based on tonight, you’d expect either Volador/Casas or Thunder/UG as the main apuesta match. (Both singles matches are unlikely.)

What was good: The main event was fun while it lasted, but the feed died for a couple minutes near the end of the match. I liked the third match, but the crowd didn’t and I may be on an island. It was generally a card that looked much better on paper than it did in the ring.

Where can I watch it: It’ll be on my YouTube channel on Tuesday, and the main matches will air on Azteca on 02/20. ClaroSports may have a full version of the main event by the time you read this. Read More

CMLL preview, Lucha Underground ratings


CMLL is back tonight on at 8:30pm. Their preview pushes those returning from Japan in the main event: Ultimo Guerrero, Cavernario and Negro Casas against Mistico, Volador and Dragon Lee.  There’s nothing ongoing for these guys, but it should be a good match and it’ll probably play into the semimain. Thunder faces Euforia there, with every member of the Revolucionarios and the Guerreros around to get involved (except for Rey Escorpion.) Some smoke and mirrors to disguise that match might helps, might not be enough.

This looks like a fun card. Halcon & Bala are usually good as a team, even against Arkangel and Cancerbero. Fuego, the Panther and Triton face Puma, Tiger and Virus in a match which could be the best of the night. The middle two matches – Maya, Titan and Valiente vs Ephesto, Luciferno and Pierroth + Gran Guerrero, Mephisto, Niebla Roja vs Dragon Rojo, Kraneo and Polvora – includes a weird split up of a normal trio but also should both have good action.

Euforia says Thunder doesn’t respect lucha libre. That is true.

DTU has a show tonight in Arena Queretaro. They held a press conference yesterday, and there’s promos from Sharlie Rockstar and Stuka Jr. Rey Cometa was supposed to be on that show and I didn’t catch if they announced a sub.

PWTorch reported the first episode of about 109K viewers for the season two premier of Lucha Underground. That’s the highest rating they’ve gotten from a first run episode (hitting 102K a few times last year.) The replay drew 85K viewers; the highest they had last year was in the 50s, so that’s a big increase. It’s probably attributed to running the replay right after the show originally airs rather than putting in a few repeats in between. 109K viewers is not a big number in TV, or even in the wrestling portion of TV, but coming back from a four month break with a better number seems promising. Hopefully they keep increasing from here.

There’s a lot of reviews of the first show out, but The Last Real Heels got Chris DeJoseph on to talk about it, so that’s probably pretty good.

+LuchaTV posted like the full Pagano/Sharly Manson match from the 01/01 CaraLucha showPagano hypes his match against Ultimo Guerrero and Rush in Neza this Saturday.

LuchaWorld has a recap of this week’s Informa, including Hechicero & Dragon Lee talking about their trip to Japan. I wonder if they’ll have Dorada on next week.

Segunda Caida reviews Volador Jr., La Sombra, Sagrado vs Sangre Azteca, Black Warrior, and Dragón Rojo

Ray, who wrestled in CMLL in 2011 and was part of REINA at that time, recently underwent an operation for a brain tumor.

03/12 RIOT card so far
Unmexicans vs Compadres Extremos
Alberto Dos Rios vs Psycko Kid
Tony Rodriguez vs Rico Rodriguez – new, loser is the lesser Rodriguez (may only be my stipulation)

02/19 AAA TV Lineup (Queretaro) – two more Rey de Reyes qualifiers, Mixed Tag Title match

AAA TV (FRI) 02/19/2016 Auditorio General José María Arteaga, Querétaro, Querétaro
1) Ludxor & Venum vs Carta Brava Jr. & El Apache
2) Argenis, Australian Suicide, Súper Nova vs Daga, Joe Lider, Súper Fly
3) Pentagón Jr. & Sexy Star © vs ? & ?? [AAA MIXED TAG]
defense against the winner from Cuautitlan. First defense!
4) Dinastía, El Elegido, Goya Kong, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Mamba, Mary Apache, Mini Charly Manson
5) Villano IV vs Electroshock, Chessman, Jack Evans [AAA Rey de Reyes, semifinal]
group 2
6) La Parka vs Psycho Clown, Averno, Zorro [AAA Rey de Reyes, semifinal]
group 3

Air Date: 02/27 & 03/05 – probably need to make the chart at some point, when everything else isn’t broken.

Putting all those blocks in one place:
1: Dr. Wagner Jr., Blue Demon Jr., Garza Jr., Taurus (02/06)
2: Villano IV, Electroshock, Chessman, Jack Evans
3: La Parka, Psycho Clown, Averno, Zorro
4 : ??? (is there a fourth?)

The first block will inform the third one: if Wagner advances, then Psycho does as well (and then there’s likely at least one more match with them at Verano de Escandalo, maybe another at TripleMania if they’re locked in together.)  The second block is harder to figure, but Jack might a favorite. He’s got nothing to do with Angelico out of the moment, so it probably depends on if they’re doing Suicide/Daga or if he’ll be part of a trios match with those guys. Electroshock could be possible if there’s a fourth block for Hijo del Pirata to get involved in.

That’s the third time AAA’s run the same exact opener (though none in ten months – those guys disappeared in the second half of the year), plus a lot of trios. Apache & Carta never win when it’s 2v2, hope they’ve been coming up with a new strategy.

The usual opener Relevos AAA match being the fourth match is the strangest thing. Especially since the trios match has an issue, and the title match is a title match. I must be reading the lineup wrong.

Tough to predict the title match without knowing who’s going to be in it. Sexy Star has some high profile press appearance with AAA and it’s nice for her to have a belt for those. Sexy Star has also not been around with AAA much, so maybe she loses the belt here because she might not have a chance later. It’s the mixed tag title, it doesn’t really matter either way. (Pentagon doesn’t seem to be a booking factor in his programs.) Match should be good with any of the three teams who could win the shot.

AAA seems to be saying it won’t be Lady Shani & Hijo del Pirata Morgan winning the shot, since Pirata’s already booked. Fantasma & Taya and Bengala & Fabi are not booked.

Next taping after this is not clear – we don’t know when (or where) Rey de Reyes. If it’s early March, then it’s the next taping. If it’s mid march,t hey may squeeze one more in. There’s already an announced taping in late March in San Luis Potosi.

CMLL FantasticaMania 2016 Day 1: 2016-01-17 

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Recapped: 01/22/2016
This is the show from Kochi Sunpia CHRES, Kochi, Japan, on the first day of the tour.

What happened: Los Ingobernables cheated to beat Atlantis and friends, then took their masks. Zavala & Okumura won a non-title match before their title match, and Volador & Mistico got wins over their rivals in singles mattes on the last day.

What was good: The Jay White/Dragon Lee versus Hechicero/Virus was match of the night, with everything else being close to the cut line, one way or another.

Where can I watch it: It’s on RealHero’s rutube channel. At some point, I’ll figure out how to add to rutube to make it searchable in the database as well.

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2016-01-29 Lucha Times

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AAA put up a preview of this week’s show! It confirms it’s the women’s match, the tag title match, and the heavyweight decider match airing this week.

Azteca has a Cibernetico/Volador Jr. vs Caristico/Rush match that was not a moves classic but was a pretty hot match. Possible they ditch one of the other matches and aired the Dalys/Silueta lightning match to get a women’s match on.

Thunder versus Euforia in Arena Mexico. Thunder versus Rush in Puebla. Truly we live in amazing times.

Guadalajara & FILL results, Lucha Underground notes, FantasticaMania

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CMLL (TUE) 01/26/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [CMLL]
1) Carlos Rogi & Furia Roja b Explosivo & Star Black
Rudos took 2/3.
2) Canelo Casas, Metálico, Ráfaga b Magnum, Magnus, Oro Jr.
Rudos took 2/3.
3) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., The Panther b El Cuatrero, Forastero, Sansón
Tecnicos took 2/3.
4) Dragón Lee, Mistico, Volador Jr. b Ephesto, Luciferno, Mephisto
Tecnicos took 2/3.
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Rush b Dragón Rojo Jr., Kráneo, Thunder
Ingobernables took 1/3, Rush pullign Kraneo’s mask and beating him in a third. Kraneo wanted a singles matches match with Rush.

I really want that Kraneo/Rush match.

IWRG FILL (WED) 01/27/2016 Arena Naucalpan [The Gladiatores]
1) Demonio Imperial & Skanda b Bambino & Último Caballero
2) Ángel De La Muerte I, Guerrero 2000, Vampiro Metálico b Canario, Shadow Boy, Voltar
3) Fireman, Galaxy, Kanon b Acero, Blue Monsther, Picudo Jr.
4) Alas de Acero, Aramis, Dragón Fly b Adrenalina, Atomic Star, Vórtize
5) Centvrión, Diablo Jr. I, Dragón Fly, Freyser, Hijo de Mascara Sagrada, Hijo del Alebrije, Imposible, Power Bull b Balak, Danger King, Energia, Imposter, Motocross, Novasonic, Orión, Royer Boy [Copa Higher Power]
Gym FILL (Black Terry) vs Gym Arkano (Dr. Cerebro). Dragon Fly replaced Arana de Plata. Final four were Freyser, Imposible, Motocross, Danger. Fresyer lost to a double team move, but Imposible came back 1 on 2 to win it for team IWRG.

The Copa Higher Power sounds good.

Reaction to the first Lucha Underground episode was strongly positive by most people. They were the #1 trend, fantastic news if their chances of renewal were depending on Twitter trends. (Probably not.) The gap between the seasons didn’t seem to hurt the momentum of the show. It was probably a combination of the good reviews of the first season inspiring people to check out the show, the massive amount of outside people writing about the show (spurred by the greater mainstream coverage of wrestling) and the event like atmosphere of the debut that made it come of so big. We might not know that means for the traditional ratings numbers for a while – there’s a site posting those numbers on a bit of a delay – but this seems like it went as well as it possibly could’ve gone.

Rey Misterio talked about how far his left knee will bend (and his inability to do springboards any more) with Playboy. Chris DeJoseph’s AMA is also up; among the many reasons I hope LU gets DVD/streaming/merchandise/whatever is so every interview won’t have to ask about it. DeJoseph back up his earlier statement about WWE going after Lucha Underground wrestlers by saying those wrestlers have told him, and also his friends inside of WWE have told him that’s exactly what they’re doing.

The WON had a little bit of news about Lucha Underground. It’s a spoiler for this weekend’s tapings, so you may want to skip a paragraph. Dr. Wagner Jr. has been contacted about coming in for Ultima Lucha 2. (Meltzer said maybe in the newsletter, seemed more definite about in the audio.) His role is unclear; there’s no big mystery person/partner angle obvious from the taping, so it’ll be something that comes together this weekend. It’s unclear if it’s a one weekend or more – I mean, until Season 3 is announced, it’s kind of can only be a one week thing – but Wagner signing with Lucha Underground would mean he’s less likely to disappear from AAA at a moment’s notice.

There’s also a mention of issues between Lucha Underground and Rey Misterio; the MMA promotion that wanted to use Rey also ran on Wednesday and LU (who has rights over him on US TV) said no. There’s also a mention of financial issues between Rey and Lucha Underground.

The WON also mentions Elite continues to try to recruit AAA luchadors to jump, though it doesn’t seem to be working for the big names (and the Lucha Underground guys probably can’t jump.)

The FantasticaMania Day 2 show (Kyoto) has been posted on

1) Fuego & Ryusuke Taguchi vs Sho Tanaka & Yohei Komatsu
2) The Panther vs Okumura
3) Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Boby Zavala
4) David Finlay, Dragon Lee, Jyushin Thunder Liger, Titán vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Hechicero, Virus, YOSHI-HASHI
5) Bushi, EVIL, Tetsuya Naito vs Atlantis, Máscara Dorada, Stuka Jr.
6) Kushida & Mistico vs Gedo & Último Guerrero
7) Kazuchika Okada, Mephisto, Shinsuke Nakamura vs Hiroshi Tanahashi, Juice Robinson, Volador Jr.

It’s only the Osaka show that isn’t available from the six day tour.

Mesias says he’s going to win the Mega championship, no matter what the Sociedad (Konnan and Fantsma) want. The interview comes off as still being a rudo.

Would you like to read about how, on the third anniversary of his debut, Thunder is feuding with Rush, Ultimo Guerrero and Euforia at the same time? No, I didn’t think so. It’s been three years of this guy, incredible.

Rey Bucanero did an interview backstage saying he wanted Maximo’s heavyweight title. He’s not set up for one right now.

SuperLuchas has photos from the FantasticaMania tour, including Nakamura’s art.


LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Kcidis draws the anatomy of a rudo.

Lucha Underground 2×1: A Much Darker Place

Brillo Cometa

the matches

King Cuerno defeated Fénix to win the Gift of the Gods Championship (7:46, unnamed piledriver variant, great)
Ivelisse defeated Angelico & Son of Havoc to win an immediate Lucha Underground Championship match (6:15, Ivelisse casita on Angelico, good)
Mil Muertes (c) defeated Ivelisse for the Lucha Underground Championship (4:31, good)


we”ve got cameras underneath now?

It’s at least 180 days since the Ultima Lucha. The Temple has been shut down during that period, but Catrina & Mil have taken over and are resuming shows. (Catrina continually says Mil is the one in charge, but she’s the one actively doing things while Mil sits on his throne.)

Vampiro has been in a mental ward – the Youssef Floro Clinic – but is discharged at the start of the show after lying about his violent tendencies going away and promising to stay away from things which might bring them back. Matt Striker picks him up, and they head right back to the Temple. Striker got in the show title, which might be a trend.

Fénix wants to cash in his Gift of Gods immediately. Catrina is prepared, reminds him he must wait one week, and schedules him for a match against King Cuerno. Cuerno wins in an even battle. A brief segment in the locker room indicates he’s made a deal with Catrina and Mil, and perhaps he won’t be cashing in any time soon. Cuerno did look a little conflicted by whatever was going on.

I hope there’s one moment in my life where I’m as cool as King Cuerno is in this moment

Ivelisse, Angelico and Son of Havoc were also eager to pick up where the left off, getting a rematch for a trios championship. Catrina (& Mil) had a strategy for them as well, offering them a match among themselves with the winner would get a shot at the Lucha Underground championship. They quickly accepted. Ivelisse seemed to hold back the least of the trio, which might have been the reason she won. The title match was immediate (well, relatively), with Catrina calling out the Disciples of Death to take out Angelico and Son of Havoc and drag them away.

Ivelisse was competitive with Muertes, trying a different strategy then the flyers who had fought him before: lots of in close submission work, trying to wear Mil down and catch him in a vulnerable position. Her greatest chance came when Mil took out Catrina with a spear, but Mil kicked out of the cradle. Mil’s Flatliner, at least this time, now has a choke hold setup.

even more violent this year

Catrina teased giving Ivelisse the Lick of Death, but instead ordered Mil to drop Ivelisse with the Flatliner again. Prince Puma returned to make the save, getting Ivelisse and himself out of the ring quickly. Mil Muertes started at them – and missed Pentagon coming in from the other side. Pentagon took Mil down and broke his arm. Striker briefly noted Vampiro was Pentagon’s mentor, but Vampiro’s feelings on all of this were not clear.

Meanwhile, 375 miles from Boyle Heights, Dario Cueto and Black Lotus seem to have set up a new Temple. When some yokels came by to look for the underground fighting, Dario let them in – and then revealed they would be doing the fighting, against Matanza. We didn’t see it, but it sounded like it ended well.


A excellent start to a second season. They took what worked in from Season 1’s debut (having the owner set the stage, a really hot match that’ll get people talking about the show even if they’re not into the stories) and brought it back for another try. Vampiro said it was the first match between King Cuerno and Fenix and he’s right by those two names. It’s also a feud we saw in AAA last year have some hot matches, and this was a shorter (and a little edited) version of those. I was a little concerned they were going too much just setting up dives in early, but they found a good balance and those dives looked great. Fenix’s Brillo Cometa is a scene stealer. This one came off as a close match where neither man would’ve lost a lot by losing, but Cuerno had a little more to gain by winning. Fenix kicked out of the Thrill of the Hunter, and they put over the modified package piledriver like it was Cuerno’s new big move.

Skandalo Driver #2

The three-way was much better than these guys were against each other back when this story all started. Ivelisse seemed to be less concerned with beating up her friends than her partners, which is consistent with her previous actions. Son of Havoc looked especially spectacular in this match.

Main event gets points for being worked smartly, even if didn’t have the action or time as the other two matches. They found ways where Ivelisse could maybe get a win – grabbing a limb and trying to pull it hard before Mil mauled her – and they got the crowd on the big near fall. The post match was great, giving a tease of one big match and then surprising everyone with a second. I’m sure I’m going to end up as a high score on this, but points for overcoming a challenge.

It was a good idea to get Dario on the first show, even if he’s not supposed to be around. (As promised, the show went far from the Temple!) The bit was funny this week, but they’re going to need to find more to do with him if he’s going to be on regularly. It was a little surprise not to see Rey in the first episode, but perhaps they really didn’t have him signed until later on.

Vampiro is back to his old self.

They went long in the first segment, showing about a few minutes of Vamp at the mental hospital, a couple of minutes of Fenix setting up the title match, and the time for the title match and the entire Fenix/Cuerno match. That got the show off to a hot start, but the trade off is the show hitting a speedbump near the end: Ivelisse won, break, Angelico/Havoc dragged off, break again, and the bell rang about 14 minutes after the last match ended. It’s probably not going to happen that way most weeks. Maybe we’ll find the upside of not having a partner like Unimas means they can experiment more with when and how they do the commercial breaks, because something else would’ve been better here. Again, this is probably just a first episode problem – I can attest to it being a little slower when you’re getting everything started again.

This was a really good start. The scifi/fantasy stuff – Catrina pulled her vanishing act, Vampiro had some vivid dreams, Matanza killed 3 more people – is going to turn off people. They specifically had two intergender matches in the first show, including having a woman challenge for the main championship, sending a message about not being afraid of criticism of those. This isn’t Mid South, there’s an element of unrealness to the show – some people will be pushed away because of it, some people will be brought in for it. The clear message is Lucha Underground is not shying away from any of it, and maybe leaning into it more.. It may be A Much Darker Place, but it’s still going to be Lucha Underground.


Lucha Underground returns tonight, CMLL results and other notes

Season 2 starts tonight

CMLL (SUN) 01/24/2016 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Tapatío, Javier Cruz Jr., Linterna b Black Sugar, Mr. Brisa, Quca
Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Joker b Nautilius [OCCIDENTE MIDDLE, semifinal]
Joker advanced to the final, taking falls 2/3.
3) Omar Brunetti b El Chakal [OCCIDENTE MIDDLE, semifinal]
Omar advances to next week final, taking falls 2/3.
4) Cancerbero & Raziel b Esfinge & Gallo
Rudos took 2/3, with Raziel sneaking in a foul on Esfinge.
5) Mosco X Fly, Mr. Trueno, Ripper b Mágico, Magnum, Neutrón
Magico’s debut. Mangum replaced Super Porky. Ripper pulled Neutron’s win to to take the win (2/3).

Psycho Clown posted a photo with his father yesterday, and Super Porky seemed to be in good spirits. Hope that means the injury isn’t that bad. They’re definitely setting up a tag title match on these shows, probably for 02/07.

CMLL (TUE) 01/26/2016 Arena México [Notimex, thecubsfan]
1) Angelito & Stukita b Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Universo 2000 LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
14:19. Pequeno Universo replaced Mercurio on Monday. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Marcela, Princesa Sugehit, Skadi b Amapola, La Comandante, Tiffany LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
11:56. Skadi replaced Estrellita. (Marcela was listed as out for Vaquerita, but did wrestle.) Tecnicas took 1/3.
3) Blue Panther Jr., Esfinge, Pegasso b Disturbio, Nitro, Skándalo LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
15:47. Nitro replaced Sangre Azteca on Monday (though it was listed as him replacing Skandalo.) Tecnicos took 1/3.
4) Felino b Delta [lightning] LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
4:24. Felino won via a superbomb.
5) Gran Guerrero, Hechicero, Vangellys b Ángel de Oro, Blue Panther, Tritón LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
16:22. Triton replaced Rey Cometa on Monday (though it was listed as Titan and they even played his music.) Rudos took 1/3.
6) Atlantis, Máximo Sexy, Stuka Jr. b Boby Z, Rey Bucanero, Terrible LUCHA LIBRE MARTES DE NUEVOS VALORES EN LA ARENA MEXICO 26 DE ENERO DEL 2016 (posted by VideosOficialesCMLL)
13:32. Tecnicos took 2/3. Bucanero complained Maximo fouled him, but it didn’t look as if he did. Bucanero wanted a singles match with Maximo and Maximo accepted. Match isn’t happening.

CMLL announced Tuesday shows would be be streamed every week now. This was a good advertisement to maybe not spend your time watching them live. It was a dry card with not much good action and – since the Bucanero/Maximo thing was dropped – nothing that actually mattered. And even if that match did matter, it didn’t seem like something you should be excited to be see. There’s a bit of a caveat because the FantasticaMania guys were are just starting to being booked, and a lot of those who didn’t go are suffering from over exposure, but it’s not a lot different from when these shows were on Cadena 3.

They’re still calling these shows Martes de Nuevo Valores, but the new talent is scarce – Bobby Z was a token guy in the main event – and it’s not as much a focus on new talent as much as just happening to include them on the lineups. To steal a point from someone else, Puebla is the better show because you at least get the interesting locals added to the card. There’s really no reason to watch all three CMLL shows, and this is the least of all of them. You’d hope CMLL would look at what they’re offering and making some changes, but it’s been this way for a while and they haven’t. It’s probably going to take a new wave of rookies who aren’t used much right away and get stuck on this show to make it interesting.

I think it is now fair to wonder if maybe there won’t be three teaming CMLL shows for long. CMLL officially announced they start on TDN on February 14th. If they’re airing Friday shows, as was originally reported by +Lucha, then that’d be on at least a couple day delay. It doesn’t help TDN if those matches are airing on the internet 48 hours prior and it seems reasonable Claro would pass on airing these Tuesday shows. This is not certain, but maybe things will change around in February.

FWIW, this felt like an internet only production. They weren’t hurrying to get in ad reads during the breaks as they do on the shows which those breaks are cut out for TV, and they weren’t reintroducing the announcers during the show as much as they do when they’re not sure which matches will air. Maybe Titanes is staying with Fridays.

No one really cares about this, because Lucha Underground starts tonight. I’ve got a detailed piece one post below. The first new episode airs at 8pm ET/7pm CT. Check your cable guide; I’ve seen people mention the show is listed as a rerun and that they’re getting a West Coast feed which delays it a few hours.

Lucha Underground announced Fenix will face King Cuerno, which reprises their very good feud in AAA early 2015.  The former trios champions, Son of Havoc, Ivelisse and Angelico, will also be in action. Some sites are listing a Bengala/Drago/Famous B trios match, which does sound like a fun time, but I was told that was a warmup match and would not be airing.

There’s tons of coverage of Lucha Underground today, amazing considering where the show was one season ago and considering they were still only occasionally breaking 100K viewers by traditional ratings metrics at the end of Season 1. Maybe this says something about traditional ratings metrics. Maybe this says the Lucha Underground/El Rey PR people did a pretty fantastic job getting the word out. It’s impressive, whatever it is.

Lucha Underground’s most visible appearance was on the late night SportsCenter, which was taped last week. You can see a clip here; they had three short segments, and were teased a couple times earlier in the show. It felt very similiar to when SportsCenter is used to promote a upcoming movie and generally came off well.

Today, there’s articles about the show on places as Slate, Forbes, and IGN. The AV Club picks Lucha Underground as the show of the night. The IGN piece had an interview with Johnny Mundo, and he and Taya were (are?) in New York doing press for the show today. Rey Misterio says he’s going to Univision today, which is interesting because of LU previously being on Unimas. It might also just be interviews promoting this show.

There’s interesting things in all of the articles, but the Rolling Stone one stuck out because Pentagon Jr. interviews are rare. He goes into detail about what he’s done with the character, “Cero Miedo” and what he thinks of his 2015.

This Ivelisse interview is also fun, because Ivelisse explains she basically convinced herself she didn’t break her ankle, like that’s a thing ordinary people would try to do.

Maybe the most relevant content is a new Lucha Underground comic book. It’s going to be four issues, every two weeks, filling in some of the gaps from Season 1 to Season 2. The first one focuses on Rey Mysterio, and it sounds as if they’re going to switch to catching up with other characters for the other issues. Lucha Underground staff are listed as coming up with the story, so it should fit in with what we see on the screen pretty well (and so also might spoil tiny things.) It’s digital only, though the people working on it said that there’s a slight chance of a print run of copies for conventions if the interest is high enough.


CMLL changed the main event match for Monday’s Puebla show: it’s now Ultimo Guerrero, Negro Casas, Rey Bucanero vs Volador Jr., Mascara Dorada, Dragon Lee. That’s quite the tecnico side.

RIOT announced their third show will be on 03/12, with the Un-Mexicans vs Los Compadres Extremos as the first match.

Unseen Films talks with the directors of Lucha Mexico. They mention the key people to help them get access for their film with CMLL was head of PR Sandra Granados and Strong Man himself. The movie is going to air on the west coast sometime soon.

Angelico’s been announced for matches on 03/05 (vs El Ligero & Shane Strickland/Killshot) and 04/02 (vs Mark Haskins) for the UK’s Southside Wrestling Entertainment group

Mascara Sagrada replaces Atlantis on the 02/21 Arena Coliseo Monterrey card. That’s a month away, plenty of time for more changes.

Doradafan his highlights of a Fenix, Magnifico, Komander vs Laredo Kid, Asterisco Jr., and Rey Astral match from August.

NJPW posted a top 10 moves of Mascara Dorada video as a farewell.

Segunda Caida reviews La Sombra vs Mephisto in 2009.

The Viva la Lucha shows on WrestleMania weekend are now off.


CMLL ELITE (SUN) 01/31/2016 Arena México
1) Astral & Último Dragoncito vs Pierrothito & Principe Diamante
2) Bengala & Robin vs Arkángel de la Muerte & Heddi Karaoui
3) Fuego, Pegasso, Tritón vs Argos, Karonte Jr., Magnus
4) Juventud Guerrera & Super Crazy vs Cavernario & Negro Casas
5) Mephisto & Sharlie Rockstar vs Euforia & Último Guerrero
6) Ángel de Oro, Carístico, Mistico vs Cibernético, La Máscara, Rush

Added this late, posted it yesterday. Elite is having trouble booking a three way main event feud.

CMLL (TUE) 02/02/2016 Arena México
1) Metatrón & Sensei vs Cholo & Espanto Jr.
2) Hombre Bala Jr., Starman, Súper Halcón Jr. vs El Cuatrero, Sansón, Skándalo
3) Oro Jr., Pegasso, Tritón vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus
4) Delta vs Hechicero [lightning]
5) Fuego, Guerrero Maya Jr., Super Porky vs Felino, Ripper, Tiger
6) Gran Guerrero, Mr. Niebla, Niebla Roja vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Thunder

That’s not a good main event at all, no. Virus back to terceras. Porky’s no sure bet to make the fifth match.

DTU (SUN) 02/07/2016 Arena Poza Rica, Poza Rica, Veracruz
1) Mazicito vs Luigi
2) El Nene & Junior vs Corsario Negro Jr. (Estado de México) & Drako (Estado De Mexico)
3) Príncipe Halcón vs Ovett, Meteoro
4) Jimmy, Kevin (DTU), Lady Maravilla vsLanzeloth, Rocky Lobo, Zuzu Divine
5) Black Fire vs Jinzo, Tony (DTU), Johnny Idolo
6) Psicosis II & Stuka Jr. vs Pesadilla &Violento Jack

DTU’s stop in Poza Rica. Tony is officially out of the nerds. Black Fire is still in Mexico at this point.