02/02-03 lucha times


== AAA ==

AAA-Televisa: Start of the Toluca taping. Not sure exactly what this will be, but guessing minis, women, and main

AAA-Fusion: still in reruns, still occasionally mentioned as coming back at some point. They do normally take January off, but there really ought to be one soon. I keep saying this, and no one jumps in to say

== CMLL ==

Galavision/Televisa: These shows will be easy this month. Women’s trios, main event (Sombra/Dorada/Titan vs Aguila/Psicosis/Volador) and Atlantis vs Niebla if time.

FOX: Namajague/Stuka feud, and Diamante/Fuego/Triton vs Raziel/Sangre/Virus. note: airs on Sunday this week and next in the US (and then off for two weeks?)

52MX: Top 3 from Sunday, including Dark Angel vs Princesa Blanca

C3: Rey Escorpion vs Voaldor Jr.

GDL: Dragon Rojo vs Titan in a lighting match, Dorada/Maximo/Rush vs Euforia/Roja/UG

TVC Deportes (Puebla): Estrellita vs Princesa Sugheit, Blue Panther/Titan/Valiente vs Peste Negra, and Thunder’s debut.

Terra: Polvora vs Valiente, trios champions vs trios champions

== Other ==

IWRG-AYM Sports: On a US site I looked at, this is listed as airing both on Sunday (and starting a half hour before the Sunday show actually starts – perhaps a repeat of last week’s episode or a phantom listing?) and in it’s Monday slot. On a Mexico site I looked at, this is listed as not airing at all. Good luck! Konkreto vs FILL Gym shows, tecnicos vs Clowns.

Noches de Coliseo: was Daga/Dark Dragon vs Fenix/Drago taped? Will it air? Find out – later!

Fenix & Pesadilla vs Ricky Marvin & Super Crazy, AAA TV gets new pickup (in Mexico)

Last night’s Tercera Caida (above) aired the Fenix & Pesadilla vs Ricky Marvin & Super Crazy (c) match for the GHC Junior Heavyweight Championship. It’s about a minute into the show, above, though the show itself is worth watching from the beginning for the Mexitosos. It was a Great match (in a bit of darkness, though you’ll see near the end of the match that they clearly had brought lights.)

This is a reach of a prediction to make on January 31st, but if Marvin & Crazy stick together and keep having tag title matches (not necessarily these titles) thru even as short a time as August or July, they’re going to be the runaway lucha tag team of the year. There matches are going to be very good, but also helped by being on in a key position on any indy show they work on – they’ll have more chances (and a better quality chances) to have an outstanding match on any show they work as long as they’re working on their own. Plus, every one will be more than happy to vote for an independent team. Those two traveling out of the country might be their own obstacle.

AAA’s two hour (Regional) show airs tonight on Univision Televisa Deportes Network in Mexico at 8 pm, and repeats on Saturday at 8AM. (This isn’t the normal Televisa Deportes, but a secondary channel of that.) AAA hasn’t said anything about this yet. I presume this is a last week’s episode and a weekly deal, but I don’t have a schedule for next week.

AAA does have a new page to make it easier to watch their past TV shows. It’s the one hour national show (and Fusion) sorted by taping. They’ve been putting up the non-match portions of their show on YouTube for a while, but the full show itself usually has been delayed a while. Not as much this week, the TV show in full was up on Wednesday. It works for me to split everything up by match and segment, but having the complete show in one place is a lot easier to point people towards. (If they’d just post the regional show – for the slightly longer matches some weeks – on a consistent basis, we’d stop putting it up ourselves and just point everyone there.)

The Gladiatores is bringing back live radio coverage of IWRG with tonight’s Arena Naucalpan show.   Cerebro Negro vs Dinamic Black! Three Match Fighters!

Arena Jaguar has a cage match this weekend with people putting up their hair, their title, their arena (Golden Boy), their girlfriend (Big Neurosis) and their mom (Principe Guerrero II). How can you put up your mom in a match? Principe Guerrero II is a lousy son.

An AAA spot show lineup with a Doctor Wagner Jr., whoever that is.


top six stories of the last two weeks

  1. CMLL & NJPW held their annual FantasticaMania shows. It was the first 3 show tour, and listed attendance was down compared to the last two years. NJPW suggested they may take the shows out of Tokyo next year. In the ring, Sombra lost a challenge for the NJPW IC title in against Nakamura, but picked up the NWA middleweight title from Dragon Rojo, Rush won two singles matches over Yoshihashi & Rey Escorpion and La Mascara beat Volador once again to keep the national light heavyweight title. Mistico, pulled from wrestling due to his troubled left shoulder, appeared on all three shows.
  2. An indy show in Los Angeles featured CMLL luchadors (Panther, Atlantis, Volador, Mascara), El Hijo del Santo and other indy luchadors, LA Park (AAA affilated but books his own dates) and Dr. Wagner Jr. (who knows) all on once card. The CMLL luchadors were kept to their own match, but CMLL luchadors had previously been banned from working on any show with El Hijo del Santo, much less AAA affiliated luchadors. It’s unclear if this represents a change in policy or just an exception. Show drew about a half quarter house to LA Sports Arena (and must’ve cost quite a bit.)
  3. AAA held their first TV taping of the year in Toluca. The Cibernetico/Perro feud was the focus of the show, with Gran Apache & Atomic Boy resuming their issue on the undercard. Octagon Jr. missed his second appearance under the name, working a show in Calgary with Teddy Hart and Konnan. (Pentagon Jr. later explained Octagon Jr. is just totally scared of him. That checks out.)
  4. CMLL debuted a new star luchador. CMLL could not decide among itself the name of this new luchador, not the best of start. They eventually settled on Thunder. He’s a muscular masked Australian tecnico who does not speak enough Spanish to do promos – the kind of luchador CMLL’s hardcore fans love to boo – and it’s unclear if he had been a wrestler before arriving in CMLL. Thunder debuted in Puebla, and seems to be kept away from the Mexico City arenas for at least his first few matches.
  5. Rush gave up his CMLL Light Heavyweight title as part of a challenge at Terrible and the CMLL Heavyweight title. Rush then lost to Terrible, giving him no singles titles. This was odd. Rey Escorpion won the vacant title by defeating Volador Jr. in the final of a tournament.
  6. FCK held their debut show (under that name) at Coliseo Coacalco. The hyped matches of Fenix vs Chuck Taylor and Matt Cross vs Daga were canceled hours before the card, with the promoter explaining AAA pulled their luchadors but oddly expressing no ill feelings to AAA for doing that. The replacement Ricky Marvin/Taylor/Fenix match was said to be good. Extreme Tiger beat Masada of CZW in the main event.
  • Namajague & Stuka started a feud and seem like they could be headed to a mask vs mask match at Dos Leyendas. Amapola and Estrellita also continue to the feud and could also have an apuesta match, but neither seems like the match you’d headline the biggest show of the year.
  • In IWRG, Negro Navarro defeated AAA Heavyweight Championship Texano in both a tag team title defense and a singles title match. (Navarro got a bit of help from Trauma II and Texano’s ex-friend Toscano.)
  • AAA continued to vaguely tease something happening in the US at some point in the future.
  • People keeping their titles: Los Invasors (MEX TRIOS), Ricky Marvin & Super Crazy (GHC TAG), Barbaro Cavernario (OCCIDENTE MIDDLE), Angel (IWRG MIDDLE), Estrellita (MEX WOMEN)
  • Carta Brava Jr. & X-Fly won IWRG’s El Protector tournament
  • IWRG held a 12 Piratas vs Oficials tag with 3 regular sized people and 3 minis on each side. This is why IWRG wins awards.
  • speaking of, some people won some awards!
  • #laluchalibredebe was talked about a lot for most of Tuesday on Twitter.

Thunder’s debut, Estrellita keeps her title, Rey Escorpion wins his, Sombra/Niebla

CMLL (MON) 01/28/2013 Arena Puebla [CMLL Gaceta (Thunder), CMLL Gaceta (title), Communcate Digital, El Sol de Puebla, Porra Fresa]
1) Black Tiger & Stigma b Akron & Saurón
Stigma replaced Genesis. Tecnicos took 1/3. Match was not smooth.
2) Bobby Zavala, Disturbio, Siki Ozama Jr. b Camaleón, Leono, Tigre Rojo Jr.
Zavala & Disturbio made fun of Leono’s lack of hair. Rudos took 2/3, Disturbio beating Leono.
3) Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr., Tritón DQ Namajague, Shigeo Okumura, Virus
Stuka & Namajague continue to feud. Tecnicos took 1/3, the last when Okumura fouled Cometa when he was trying to fight Stuka.
4) Estrellita b Princesa Sugheit [MEX WOMEN]
No seconds. Estrellita came in as champion and took 2/3 to keep her title. Sugheit twice had Estrellita in what seemed to be winning holds, but Estrellita got the ropes. Sugheit was distracted after the second time, and Estrellita beat her with a casita for the win. First defense.
5) Blue Panther, Titán, Valiente b Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
Tecnico sweep. Negro and Valiente started fighting on the way to the ring, all thru the match, and after the match. In the middle of that, Valiente beat Negro and challenged him to a title match next week. Best match of th enight.
6) La Máscara, Rush, Thunder b Averno, Mephisto, Terrible
Thunder’s debut. Mascara submitted Averno to the campana in the first, Thunder did a pescado in the second on Terrible but the other rudos beat the other tecnicos, and Thunder beat Terrible with what sounds like a chokeslam in the third. Reviews suggest Thunder was better than expected (as a foreigner tall muscle guy) but still needs to improve.

photo by CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 01/29/2013 Arena Mexico [CMLL, Yahoo! Deportes]
1) Oro Jr. & Robin b Apocalipsis & Cholo
2) Demus 3:16, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Warrior b Fantasy, Stukita, Último Dragoncito
Rudos took 2/3. Demus beat Dragoncito in the third. Stukita still looking for his first win.
3) Cancerbero, Raziel, Sangre Azteca b Diamante, Pegasso, Starman
Rudos took 2/3. Rudos took advantage of tecnico screw ups to beat all the tecnicos in the third.
4) Black Warrior, Misterioso Jr., Olímpico b Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Tritón
Rudos took 2/3, Olimpico submitting Maya while Warrior beat Triton.
5) Rey Escorpión b Volador Jr. [CMLL LH]
Match for vacant championship, last held by Rush, the two advancing from last week’s Cibernetico. Seconds were Olimpico (for Invasor Volador) and Misterioso (for Escorpion.) No Mije. Said to be (and looks like) a great match. Rey Escorpion won the first with a powerbomb, Volador won the second with a torito, and Rey Escorpion took the third and the title with his Aguijón Mortal (package piledriver, called Aguijón Venenoso in CMLL’s recap) Volador was strechered out. All 3 members of the Revolucionarios are singles champions.
6) Atlantis, La Sombra, Marco Corleone DQ Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
Mr. Niebla ripped off La Sombra’s mask in the third, setting up a singles match next week.

Rob has 01/18/13 CMLL highlights

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Gran Apache says Atomic Boy is just trying to make his name off Apache and he’s not going to let that happen, and he and Billy are on the same page and have put the great rivalry behind them.

The results from Arena Azecta Guadalajara aren’t that important – Neutron (yes, that one) vs Joe Lider building a cage match – but it brings to mind that Joe Lider hasn’t been around AAA since Guerra de Titanes. There’s no suggestion he’s left, and I’m not suggesting that, but no one’s noticed because he hasn’t been constantly going to the magazines to talk about it (and he’s Joe Lider.)

R de Rudo interviews hopeful CMLL luchadora Bastet.

Sonora wrestler Alas Nocturnas broke his arm on a dive this past weekend.


CMLL (THU) 01/31/2013 Arena Aficion [SuperLuchas]
***Arena Aficion 61st Anniversario***
1) Canelo Casas & Principe vs Destroyer & Estreundo
2) Estrellita, Goya Kong, Luna Mágica vs Amapola, Princesa Sugheit, Tiffany
3) Atlantis, La Máscara, Shocker vs Mephisto, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr.
4) Marco Corleone, Máximo, Rush vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

Arena Aficion is one of the few lucha arenas to (still) be running two shows a week, and this replaces the usual Tuesday show.

UWE (SUN) 02/10/2013 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Lover Dragon, Niebla Negra, Terrorista vs Demon Boy, Dragon Sagrado, Meta Dragon
2) Latigo & Mini Gato Eveready vs Pequeño Ángel & Pequeno Demonio
3) Ángel de la Noche, Ángel Del Amor, Mr. Flama, Rey Cristal vs Dragosth, Gargola, Golden, Juana La Loca
4) Robin Maravilla, Terry 2000, Yakuza vs Rayo Tapatío I, Rayo Tapatío II, Rayo Tapatio III
5) Ricky Marvin & Super Crazy vs Daga & Joe Lider and Chucho el Roto & Iron Love and Aeroboy & Violento Jack [UWE TAG]

Forget the main event, forget the rare appearance by Rayo Tapatio III,  the big news here is Mini Gato Eveready!

CMLL (TUE) 02/05/2013 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Halcón de Plata & Metatrón vs Infierno & Ráfaga
2) Bengala, Camaleón, Magnus vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Hooligan, Skándalo
3) Diamante, Sagrado, Stuka Jr. vs Black Warrior, Sangre Azteca, Vangelis
4) Dragón Rojo Jr. vs Titán [CMLL MIDDLE]
Dragon Rojo is champion. Titan is Mexican welterweight champion, but that title is not on the line.
5) Atlantis, Rush, Thunder vs Kráneo, Olímpico, Psicosis

Rojo’s the favorite, but Titan has a habit of pulling off the unlikely. Thunder’s debut here.

CMLL (TUE) 02/05/2013 Arena Mexico
1) Oro Jr. & Robin vs Guerrero Negro Jr. & Herodes Jr.
2) Leono, Metálico, Pegasso vs Bobby Zavala, Cholo, Disturbio
3) Dalis la Caribeña, Estrellita, Marcela vs Amapola, Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sugheit
4) Delta vs Euforia [lightning]
5) Blue Panther, La Máscara, Super Porky vs Averno, Ephesto, Negro Casas
6) La Sombra vs Mr. Niebla

I think that main event could actually be really good, depending on what Mr. Niebla shows up.

Super X (SUN) 02/24/2013 Arena del Sur [SuperLuchas]
1) Lucky Boy & Niño de Ébano vs Freelance & Suicida
2) Astro De Plata, Vamper, Zumbi vs Nortux, Rhino, Tribal
3) Negro Navarro vs Solar I
4) Juventud Guerrera & Ricky Marvin vs Eterno & Fenix (AAA)
5) Electroshock vs Halloween

Full card, top two matches had been previously announced. Main event builds off previous show – an indy show building off a previous show is always a rare site. Don’t sleep on that opener.

great match roundup, week of 2013-01-19

Great/Excellent Matches

CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2013-01-19
Hijo del Fantasma, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Namajague, Puma, Tiger – GREAT, if just barely on the list. Really good show overall.

Shows Watched But Nothing Made The List

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2013-01-19
CMLL on CadenaTres: 2013-01-19
CMLL on Televisa: 2013-01-19
AAA on Televisa (Regional): 2013-01-20

Matches I Missed That I Should Maybe Check Out

The IWRG tag opener seems like the only possibility.

great match roundup, first half of September 2012

Great/Excellent Matches

CMLL on CadenaTres: 2012-09-08
Pólvora vs Titán for the Mexican National Welterweight Championship – GREAT

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2012-09-08
Negro Casas vs Ángel de Oro for the NWA World Welterweight Championship – GREAT (though stream version was better and I wish we had a way to record those.)

Shows Watched But Nothing Made The List

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2012-09-01
CMLL on Televisa: 2012-09-01
CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2012-09-01
CMLL on CadenaTres: 2012-09-01
AAA on Televisa: 2012-09-02

CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2012-09-08
CMLL on Televisa: 2012-09-08
AAA on Televisa: 2012-09-09 – though Wagner/Mascara is something else

CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2012-09-15
CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2012-09-15
CMLL on Televisa: 2012-09-15
CMLL on CadenaTres: 2012-09-15
AAA on Televisa (Regional): 2012-09-16

Matches I Missed That I Should Maybe Check Out

Was Barbaro vs Smaker (taped 08/28, aired 09/01) any good?

2012-09-03 @ Arena Puebla
4) Rush vs Hiroshi Tanahashi – is apparently good!


That’s all of the weeks I’ve missed. I’ve done every week since, so now it’s just a lot of matches I missed. Which is a list that keeps going.

FMLL in LA, AAA in Monterrey, #laluchalibremexicanadebe

FMLL (SAT) 01/26/2013 LA Sports Arena, California, CA [LuchaWorld, So Cal Uncensored]
1) ? & ?? vs ??? & ????
implied to be a poor match
2) Mortiz, Negro Navarro, Profeta b Brazo de Oro, Piloto Suicida (Los Angeles), Solar I
usual Negro Navarro vs Solar. Finish is unclear.
3) Hijo de Rey Misterio II, Máscara Sagrada, Sin Limite b Acero Dorado, Black Machine, Shamu Jr. Josh Garcia
4) Blue Panther, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr. b Atlantis, Brazo de Plata, La Máscara
UG snuck in a foul on Atlantis
5) El Hijo Del Santo, LA Park, Rayo de Jalisco Jr. b Blue Demon Jr., Cien Caras Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr. ricolagunas
Referee got involved on the finish, there were fouls, and Wagner unmasked Park for the win. They did the usual mask challenge.

FMLL is in Chicago on 02/17 with some, but not nearly all of these guys.

AAA Kdena (SUN) 01/27/2013 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [LuchaMania Monterrey]
1) Ángel Espacial, Slayer Boy, Solovino b Destructor, Mercenario, Norteno Jr.
Slayer Boy spanish fly on Norteno Jr.
2) Desafio, Galactar, Rey Infernal b Ciber Payaso, Gato Fantasma, Norteño
Desafio, usually a tecnico, pulled Gato’s mask and pinned him for the win.
3) Mongol Chino & Mongol Chino Jr. (fake?) b Difunto I & Hijo de Espanto II
The “Mongol Chino Jr.” here was neither the usual Mongol Chino Jr. or Hijo del Mongol Chino. Mongol Sr. beat Espanto.
4) Lolita, Mascarita Sagrada, Orquídea Negra b Chica de Arabia, Mini Psicosis, Sexy Lady
Mystery person was Chica de Arabia.
5) Diluvio Negro I DCOR Silver Star, Tigre Universitario, Vaquero Romo
A four way countout of the ring. They were too hurt to continue, but then got up to keep fighting and build a rematch.
6) Drago & Fénix b Daga & Dark Dragon
Very good match, as expected. Fenix beat Daga with a Spanish Fly, and Daga offered a title match. Fans threw in money, though perhaps low denominations. Dark Dragon noted it wasn’t big money, but it’s the thought that count.

The Twitter hashtag #laluchalibremexicanadebe has been popular in Mexico since last night, with messages from fans, promoters, and luchadors. R de Rudo has some of early messages. It’s a lot of people saying what they want lucha libre to be, or what they want promoters or fans to be like in the case of some of the luchadors. There are some common themes, though if you look thru that hash tag search, you can see that not every agrees in what lucha libre should be.

This is not a unique case of venting. At a lesser volume, the same sort of argument is still going on the video for the luchadors on Tribunal show. (It’s the video people have spent the most minutes watching, and among the most comments.) The Twitter discussion stands out because of the volume of comments, and because it’s not just the fans complaining (or praising) on a message, but those on the inside participating too.

On the other hand, it’s also just a lot of people talking about how things should change and very little figuring out how to actually accomplish those changes. It’s great to want change, but you’ve actually got to make it. You’ve got to have the ability to make it, too.

(#laluchalibremexicanadebe make their own TV shows available on YouTube on a timely basis so I (and others) don’t have to spend hours every week doing it for them and maybe could just watch the shows. Maybe more usefully, instead of aiming for the stars, everyone should spend a little time on the small things: figure out the name for your next great superstar before your introduce him and don’t change it twice, don’t air promos hyping a title match for the next show when you’ve taped that show and didn’t do that match, use social media to promote the shows you’re on yourself and don’t rely on promoters to do it for you.)

CMLL Gaceta hypes Atlantis vs Mr. Niebla as the headline feud of today’s show, as it’s become the match of the moment they’re vaguely teasing for the Anniversario show (and probably isn’t happening.) That main event in full is Peste Negra vs Atlantis, La Sombra and Marco Corleone and sure seemed to be a lot more about La Sombra vs Mr. Niebla last week. The real big match of the night is the semimain, a rudo vs rudo battle between Volador Jr. vs Rey Escorpion for the vacant CMLL Light Heavyweight championship. Volador’s been one of the most cheered rudos and will surely be the crowd favorite and the slight favorite to win the match, though this is a rare title match where both guys are about even. It should be a really good match regardless of who wins.

UWE (Arena Lopez Mateos) announced they’re stripping the Villanos of the UWE Tag Team championship, due to Mendoza Jr.’s announced (though not yet occurred) retirement. You may have forgot these belts existed. Mendoza Jr.  says he’s retiring because he can’t get enough bookings, and the UWE still couldn’t book him to actually ever defend the titles, much less lose the titles. Perhaps Villano V has a point. (Or maybe there’s just a difference in opinion about how much it should cost to book him.) UWE will have a four team tournament (or maybe just a four way match) on 02/10 for the vacant titles with:

  • Ricky Marvin & Super Crazy
  • Joe Lider & Daga
  • Chucho el Roto & Iron Love
  • Violento Jack & Aeroboy

Joe Lider & Daga are sort of feuding, or at least they have vastly differing opinions on Psicosis. Chucho and Iron Love won the AULL tag belts back in Costa Rica a couple weekends ago. I think the idea is the AULL belts are for the local guys and the UWE are for the national guys who are passing thru (and probably won’t be back to do anything with the titles), so maybe Marvin & Crazy win these tag belts too.

Porra Fresa has video of Thunder’s debut entrance in Arena Puebla. It sounds like he was okay, a bit nervous, and timing needs to improve.

LuchaWorld has video of Ricky Marvin & Super Crazy vs Fenix & Pesadilla.

Bill has highlights of IWRG 09/29/2011.



IWRG (SUN) 02/03/2013 Arena Naucalpan
1) Galaxie & Sky Ángel vs Araña de Plata & Yack
2) Mini Cobra, Mini Multifacetico, Voladorcito vs Oficialito 911, Oficialito AK47, Oficialito Fierro
3) Centvrión, Dinamic Black, Golden Magic vs Dave The Clown, Niko, Rothen Clown
Niko’s team is listed asthe Clown
4) Black Terry, Negro Navarro, Veneno vs Canis Lupus, Fuerza Guerrera, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr.
5) Alan Extreme, Carta Brava Jr., Dragón Celestial, Eterno, Imposible, Saruman, Serpiente de Oro, Violencia Jr. vs Boicot, Flehizeer, Jhon Crazy, Kiuuby, Mr. Leo, Rey Espacial, Rey Tabú, Vuelo Espacial [cage, hair, mask]
FILL vs Konkreto. Black Terry and Fuerza Guerrera will be with their teams, but not in the match

The different names that Fuerza trainee has used:

11/13: Flemyzeer
12/20: Fleeyzer
01/01: Flehyzer
02/03: Flehizeer

They can’t seem to figure out how to spell Boycott/Boicoteo either. Vuelo Espacial was the name of a Oaxaca wrestler, not sure if this is the same guy.

CMLL (MON) 02/04/2013 Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano & Black Tiger vs Espiritu Maligno & Fuerza Chicana
2) Astral, Shockercito, Último Dragoncito vs Mercurio, Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Warrior
3) Magnus, Starman, Stigma vs Apocalipsis, Nitro, Taurus
4) Diamante Azul, Super Porky, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
5) Marco Corleone, Rush, Thunder vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero
6) Negro Casas vs Valiente [NWA WELTER]
Negro Casas is champion. Attempt at fifth defense.

Busy two day stretch for Valiente, who will get two welterweight title shots in two days. He’s probably not a favorite in either, but he’s got two shots for an upset.

At least for the first week, CMLL is keeping Thunder away from their main arenas. They should probably do it for much more than one week because it’s the Mexico City debut that’ll be remembered, but we’ll see.