Guerreros vs not-Guerreros, Dr. Wagner leaving AAA?, Garza benefit show

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CMLL (TUE) 11/20/2012 Arena Mexico [CMLL, Yahoo Deportes (Photos)]
1) Cholo & Zayco b Freesbe & Robin
2) Camaleón, Höruz, Molotov b Bobby Zavala, Disturbio, Inquisidor
Tecnicos took 2/3, Molotov beating Zavala both times.
3) Pierrothito b Bam Bam [lightning]
Pierrothito won in 8:04 with his trademark hold. Pompin, ref for this match, has reached 55 years of being a referee.
4) Diamante, Fuego, Sagrado b Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo
Tecnicos took 1/3. Sagrado pinned Sangre Azteca in the third.
5) Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Valiente b Felino, Negro Casas, Puma
Tecnicos took 2/3.
6) Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero DQ Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión
Escorpion’s crew wore Revolutionary-era outfits on the day of the 102th Anniversary of the start of the Mexican Revolution. Polvora fouled Niebla Roja for the loss. Polvora is definitely in this trio full time, and the group announced they’d have a team name next week.

Hijo de Dr. Wagner Jr. posted Tuesday on his Facebook that his father, Dr. Wagner Jr., has left AAA. I’d heard that earlier from someone else, so it’s not a kid saying things to rile up social media. It’s more likely an adult saying things to rile people. Technically, Dr. Wagner Jr. is not booked on AAA show until Guerra de Titanes, so whatever is going on, it’s mostly irrelevant until 12/02. The only way we’d be able to tell if Wagner really has left is AAA removing him from the Guerra de Titanes lineup. The only match AAA has so far promoted for Guerra de Titanes is the one with Wagner in it. Since they started hyping it less than a week ago, in the midst of these Wagner rumors, AAA must’ve felt pretty confident Wagner wasn’t actually going anywhere. They could’ve changed it on Sunday on the Fusion show if plans had changed, and did not.

There’s been two rumors around Dr. Wagner Jr. for years. One is that he’s just about to leave whatever promotion it is he’s working at that moment. He never seems to actually leave that much, but it seems he does tell people he’s leaving often. The other rumor is Dr. Wagner Jr. really wants to lose his mask and this just might be the year if he can find someone to pay for it. These two rumors are usually connected; a limited run indy promoter is probably more willing to promise Wagner a lot more money for his mask match than someone who runs regular shows and has a realistic understand of how much money they can offer and still stay in business. I think that’s what is happening here – Wagner probably has an offer, he’d stay with AAA if he could make more over the course of a year, AAA hasn’t made that offer, Wagner is saying he’s leaving, but things could still change.

(This is three steps down the line, but much more fun – who’d Wagner face in a mask match? Hijo del Santo would be epic. Blue Demon Jr. would not be as much, but they’d still get a lot of mainstream press. LA Park would also be huge, and terrible for AAA since he and Wagner have been the tentpoles of the company since they jumped.)

The Perros del Mal benefit show for Hector Garza this weekend will now double as AAA’s Fusion taping for early December. This will include Perros, AAA, DTU and XMW wrestlers, so likely some luchadors who don’t normally make TV will turn up on TVC Deportes. Just the first top two matches have been announced. If they post a full lineup, I’ll post it separately later.

A couple in the Chicago suburbs has been making custom masks, and is trying to raise money to start a fair-wage sewing factor in Mexico City. It’s 2012, so this is a Kickstarter-like project, with a goal of $20000.

Rob has highlights of 10/26/12 CMLL.


Lucha Libre in Japan

11/21 NJPW: Rush [O] & Diamante Azul b Hiroyoshi Tenzan [X] & Satoshi Kojima in 10:49 [WORLD TAG LEAGUE]
Rush & Azul are 1-0.

In case you’ve haven’t been paying attention to CMLL’s adventures in NJPW tournaments, this is a very unprecedented result…

2012 G1: Rush won his first 2 matches
2012 BOSJ: Angel de Oro won his first 4 matches
2011 G1: Sombra won his first match
2011 BOSJ: Mascara Dorada won his first match
2010 G1 TAG: Terrible & Texano won their first match
2010 BOSJ: Sombra won his first match

This is less about CMLL and more the way Japan as a country normally books outsiders. Team Rage has Toru Yano & Takashi Iizuka, and it’s possible the early wins continue.

Stuka & Arkangel are headed to Japan Thursday for Mr. Cacao’s Fukumenmania XX show. Their match, on 11/25, is Arkangel & Okano (“a black belt in karate”) vs Stuka and Mr. Cacao. Arkangel is annoyed they’re not doing the mask match yet and vows to make the challenge again after this one. Stuka is happy to make his first trip to Japan. Stuka will be signing autographs at a couple stops before the show, while Arkangel will be teaching a seminar. The highlight of this trip to Japan is the promotion posting Stuka’s entrance video.


IWRG (SUN) 11/25/2012 Arena Naucalpan
1) Alas de Acero & Serpiente de Oro vs Dragón Celestial & Power Bull
2) Dinamic Black, Golden Magic, Niko vs Araña de Plata, Eita, Imposible
3) Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Veneno vs Alan Extreme, Canis Lupus, Carta Brava Jr.
4) el Ángel, Hijo de LA Park, Hijo de Pirata Morgan vs Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Oficial 911
5) Factor vs Cien Caras Jr. [IWRG Rey del Ring]
Factor is the champion

3 shows to go. Nice to have a week off from a tournament, but I’m a bit concerned the Cerebros won’t get to their match before the clock runs out. Also, I wish Alan Extreme was in the segunda.

Power Bull has appeared on the trainee shows, but this would be his first main show appearance.

CMLL (TUE) 11/27/2012 Arena Mexico
1) Höruz & Oro Jr. vs Ramstein & Zayco
2) Dark Angel, Goya Kong, Silueta vs Amapola, Princesa Sugheit, Zeuxis
3) Fuego, Hijo del Fantasma, Triton vs Namajague, Shigeo Okumura, Virus
4) Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Valiente vs Black Warrior, Ephesto, Felino
5) Pólvora vs Niebla Roja [lightning]
6) Marco Corleone, Máximo, Super Porky vs Tama Tonga, Terrible, Último Guerrero

This week’s foul leads bot next week’s lightning match.

CMLL (TUE) 11/27/2012 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Metal & Virgo vs Infierno & Thunder Boy
2) Esfinge & Smaker vs Espectrum & Ráfaga
3) Ángel Azteca Jr., Magnus, Pegasso vs Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo, Hooligan
4) Princesa Blanca vs Estrellita [MEX WOMEN]
Princesa Blanca is the champion
5) Ángel de Oro, La Sombra, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Negro Casas, Psicosis

Ah, the unfinished Blanca/Estrellita feud – abruptly ended in Mexico City when Estrellita cut her hand – finishes in Guadalajara. At least it finishes here for now, it’s kind of being built up by El Luchador…

Magnus’ first match in Guadalajara since his return. I look forward to the Twitter updates!

7 thoughts to “Guerreros vs not-Guerreros, Dr. Wagner leaving AAA?, Garza benefit show”

  1. I’m fairly new to the wonderful world of Lucha Libre, but if Dr Wagner has left AAA & is looking to lose his mask, if it couldn’t be agreed that he lost it to Hijo del Santo, Blue Demon Jr or LA Park, is there any possibility that if the money was correct he would lose it to his brother or even his son, if it could be agreed that his son turned rudo and the storyline was something like he was trying to upstage his father?

    You could call the Dr Wagner Jr vs his son scenario a passing of the torch as such if you wanted. (I don’t know how close Dr Wagner Jr is to retirement)

  2. the question is how much is his mask worth ? i dont know but maybe you cubs have some numbers from previous mask losses..
    and i always thought that AAA is having this mask match on the next triplemania show vs LA Park..this would be the only right decision…

  3. @Dean: His brother is tough because he’s lost his mask twice already, including his Silver King mask. It’s a tough sell. And I don’t know that they’d want to turn his son against him. This is not about building people up, it’s about making as much money as possible.

    @lucas: I don’t know the actual numbers, but based on previous numbers and speculation, I think Wagner’s looking for at least 250K and probably more.

  4. Hi cubs:

    What does 250k mean? It’s $250,000 mexican pesos, dollars, or what?

    I don’t have any idea how much money a promoter can pay for a mask

  5. Wagner losing his mask seems beyond dumb from a money perspective. I know guys do not get cut in on merchandise the same way in Mexico, but Doc has done a great job with the different color schemes and what not… Why risk losing that for a mask payday?

  6. @Nikita: If he’s smart he’ll do it and not end up like Super Astro/Fishman types who waited too long and regret not cashing in when they could have had HUGE payoffs. I think this is Wagner’s peak and Park is the right opponent. If they can find the promoter they need to do it. AAA/CMLL are never gonna $hill out the money for it so if he legitimately has someone on the hook who is willing to pay huge he has to go for it. There is no sign business in the big two is going to improve any time soon to warrant them emptying the bank for a Wagner mask match.

    Not to mention Wagner knows he can just put the mask back on like his brother did.:)

    I still don’t understand Silver King’s endgame to wearing a mask. It seems like it’s just a personal thing and he isn’t comfortable with his looks (balding?). No promoter is going to pay him big bucks for a mask match, nobody is gonna buy it as a mask match and he can’t do it in DF as shown by Triplemania 2009. I guess if he’s balding it doesn’t matter since he can’t get hair match payoffs anyhow.

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