Estrellita champion, Oro/Casas, Fuerza Guerrera vs Black Terry, CMLL bodybuilding

CMLL (TUE) 11/27/2012 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Infierno & Thunder Boy b Black Metal & Virgo
2) Esfinge & Smaker b Espectrum & Ráfaga
3) Espanto Jr., Hijo del Signo, Hooligan b Ángel Azteca Jr., Magnus, Pegasso
Espanto Jr.’s GDL debut
4) Estrellita b Princesa Blanca [MEX WOMEN]
Princesa Blanca came in as champion. Pegasso and Hijo del Signo were seconds. Estrellita surprised Blanca and pinned her in the first fall, Blanca won the second, Estrellita won the third with the Star Cross to win the championship. Estrellita celebrated big.
5) Ángel de Oro, La Sombra, Titán DQ Dragón Rojo Jr., Negro Casas, Psicosis
Negro Casas fouled Angel de Oro.

Estrellita’s been wrestling regularly since at least 2000, and this is her first championship win of any kind. (She’s not been in CMLL a lot of that time.) This ended Blanca’s near four year change; her title matches were good, but not especially frequent. Blanca gave Estrellita credit for being better on this night but also blamed a knee injury. Estrellita mentioned her recent injury absence wasn’t just due to the cut on her hand, but also an ankle injury. She spent her time out watching Blanca footage to look for a way to defeat her. Both talked about doing a hair vs hair match.

photo by Black Terry Jr..

IWRG (THU) 11/29/2012 Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (flickr), Estrellas del Ring]
1) Galaxie b Epidemia
Another spelling for Galaxy.
2) Dinamic Black & La Cobra b Alan Extreme & Eita
3) el Ángel b Eterno [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
Angel kept the title
4) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Fuerza Guerrera b Dr. Cerebro, Pantera, Veneno
666s were in their Xolo jerseys. Black Terry hit the ring post match to argue with Fuerza, probably about the last FILL show. Fresero Jr., in jeans and a jersey shirt, worked as a referee for this show and separated the two.
5) Black Terry, Negro Navarro, Pirata Morgan b Solar I, Super Astro, Ultraman [super libre]
remach from the previous week. Rudos took 2/3, Navarro pinning Solar. Fuerza hit the ring post match to challenge Terry to a singles match, and he accepted

Angel vs Eterno is up in three parts already.

Fresero Jr.’s father was a referee for AAA. IWRG only seems to have two referees, and it’s not clear if this a change of occupation or an emergency fill in situation. He should still make it rain as a referee.

CMLL held it’s annual bodybuilding contest yesterday.

1) Stukita – mini who has still yet to debut
2) Pequeno Olimpico
3) Pequeno Halcon – was very unhappy about finishing third and threw his trophy into an empty section of seats. Believed to be suspended for that, though he hasn’t been on cards for a couple weeks already.

Beginners (more of a weight distinction than a training one)
1) Flyer – Volador Jr’s nephew
2) Akuma
3) Super Halcon Jr.

1) Sensei
2) Guerrero Maya
3) Camorra

1) La Sombra
2) Valiente
3) Tama Tonga

1) Dark Angel – won for the seventh straight year, every year they’ve run this contest
2) Dalys la Caribena – second for the fourth straight year
3) Isis

The winners all came back for a final contest, and Sensei won that to become Mr. CMLL Absoluto. There was also an apparently unofficial Student group for those enrolled in CML classes. Aioria, who I’ve never heard of prior won. Second place went to Relampago, formerly of AAA and currently in IWRG, with IWRG opening match wrestler Epidemia finishing third.

Tonight’s the first half of Copa Junior. It’s a CMLL random tournament that doesn’t mean anything, but they like to spread out the wins as thinly as possible. Maybe someone who’s been near the top but hasn’t had a big win this year – Mephisto or Mascara Dorada? – will advance.

Rey Cometa either has a busy night or is missing a match tonight. He’s scheduled to main event a show in Queretaro, then wrestle in the tercera in Arena Mexico. I think it’s physically impossible to work both – there’s a 3 hour different start time, but more than 2 hours away from each other – so expect a sub tonight in CMLL.

AAA had a press conference for the 2012 Quien Pinta Por La Corona contest final. They hyped major surprises, then just tweeted out photos of people there. Maybe the major surprise is cameraphones.

LLF’s Perla Negra hurt her wrist, so tonight’s planned mask vs mask match with Lady Puma is off. LLF’s last show of the year is next week and Negra won’t be ready by then either, so the match is postponed indefinitely. The replacement match is Lady Puma versus a mystery woman.

Rob has the top 5 spots of the week.

stuff going on Sunday

(all times Central)
4pm CHIKARA iPPV (I ordered weeks ago without realizing I had other things to watch, oops – I can watch it later, it’ll work out)
4pm CMLL on EstrellaTV (which I usually just half pay attention to)
5pm CMLL on Terra with Terribile vs Sombra for the Heavyweight title.
(5pm Noche de Coliseo, though it seems in repeats)
6pm AAA Guerra de Titanes (time on the poster, maybe not so much)
6:3pm IWRG Prison Fatal

So. The plan is for a chat/live results this week, starting at 5pm and running until I have to stop. We’ll be talking the CMLL show, the AAA show and even the IWRG one if they continue sending out live results. Only the CMLL on Terra show will be available on the internet, so you may be very bored after 7:30pm. It’ll be a fun time until then!

By the way, tickets seem to be selling decently well for Guerra de Titanes. The closest ticket I could get on Ticketmaster was for the fourth ring around the building.



CMLL (MON) 12/03/2012 Arena Puebla
1) Asturiano & Black Tiger vs Espiritu Maligno & King Jaguar
2) Astral vs Demus 3:16 [lightning]
3) Camaleón, Soberano Jr., Starman vs Bobby Zavala, Disturbio, Ramstein
4) Fuego, Pegasso, Stigma vs Bronco, Hijo del Signo, Nitro
5) Ángel de Oro, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Tiger
6) Atlantis, Marco Corleone, Máximo vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

Bronco! Giant goofy horse might actually be back. The best part is one more guy who can prevent the Cancerberos and Tuareg from accidentally being put on the same team.

Astral and Demus could set up a title rematch.

12/01-03 lucha times


== AAA ==

AAA-Televisa: The first part of the Naucalpan taping. Maybe Oficials/Clowns?

AAA-Fusion: First part of the Perros del Mal Hector Garza tribute, which should help explain if it’s two parts.

== CMLL ==

Galavision/Televisa: more Tuareg/Cancebero problems? Marco, Maximo, Porky vs Avernos also likely.

FOX: Oro, Fantasma, Cometa vs Misterioso, Namajague, Okumura and Atlantis, Sombra, Shocker vs Tama Tonga, Terrible, Tiger. Maybe.

52MX: build to Sombra vs Terrible

C3: Terrible, Tama Tonga, Ultimo Guerrero vs Marco, Shocker, Maximo. Maybe the lightning match airs because it’s part of an ongoing story.

GDL: Estrellita vs Princesa Blanca, plus the build to a mystery match.

EstrellaTV (Puebla): build to Sombra vs Terrible, also.

El Luchador: “An anti-violence message could unite the luchadors on one last machine, while Dragon Lee’s pride puts him in danger of losing his coaching before facing Puma King in En Busca de un Idolo. Shocker and Mr. Niebla revive their rivalary and Felino has to make a decision to deal with his seperation from Princesa Blanca.”

En Busca de un Idolo: Puma King vs Titan, Diamante vs Polvora.

Terra: Terrible vs Sombra for the CMLL Heavyweight Championship of the World!

== Other ==

IWRG-TVC Deportes: Angel vs Eterno, Solar/Astro/Ultraman vs Terry/Navarro/Pirata


ACM: probably reruns

Bodybuilding contest, Pantera I, QPPLC

Today is CMLL’s seventh annual bodybuilding contest. Anyone who trains with CMLL can enter, so it’ll be a collection of CMLL and a few outsiders. There’s usually a minis, woman (won every year by Dark Angel), and three levels of men’s categories. They added a ‘student’ class last year. No one seems clear about how people get separated into different classes – Astral & Electrico has appeared in the regular men’s groups, Puebla’s Asturiano was a mini last year – and no one really seems to understand the judging criteria. By the end of the afternoon, CMLL will have five winners and two or three people loudly complaining about the whole thing being fixed. There also will probably be one or two people who’s bodies are their main distinctions who won’t participate and giving a lame reason why.

Luchadors have been getting into bodybuilding shape for months, but it really stood out to me how slimmed down some of them are watching last week’s TV. Valiente looked tiny on this week’s CadenaTres for one. We’ve often talked about how winning the bodybuilding contest is a stepping stone for a strong push from the programming department. That’s not a hard rule – Polvora’s rise from random opening match guy to world champion started right after he won one year, but Valiente has mostly drifted after winning this past year. More generally, just entering shows a dedication that CMLL wants out of it’s wrestlers. Most people in the contest surely know they’re not going win, but are trying to show they’re making an effort in hopes someone makes an effort to use them.

Last year’s winners were Picudo Jr. in the student division, Pequeno Olimpico in the minis, Dark Angel of course the women’s winner, Soberano Jr. in the beginner class, Electrico in the intermediate class and Valiente the advanced winner. Electrico is not expected to participate this year, as he’s still coming back from his broken leg.

the long bit about Pantera I and being a liar

A week ago, I wrote about a couple videos featuring Pantera I. I thought they were odd because

a) no one’s heard from Pantera in a couple decades until the last few months
b) Pantera I was supposed to be dead

I was hoping someone would chime in with more info. Humberto did pointing out Pantera I’s Facebook page, which is actually worth checking out even if you don’t care about any of this for the neat pictures of 80s and early 90s lucha. Rob helped by tracking down a mention in the Observer from 1998, when AAA briefly included their own Pantera, upsetting family of the original one ‘who has been dead for 11 years’. (I believe there’s another reference to Pantera’s death in a Lucha Libre Weekly, which would’ve been pulled from the magazines from the early 90s, but I haven’t been able to track it down.) The pictures on Pantera I’s page are convincing enough that I’m leaning towards this being a translation issue – there are reasons why a person might not be seen in the ring in many years, after all. I’m still not sure of any answer, but I’ve learned more than I knew a week ago.

The one place I was not expecting to get feedback from was the weekly Kin Taniya column in this week’s SuperLuchas! (It’s a good magazine, and I like it no matter what you’re going to read the rest of the way.) There’s two things that bugged me right away: he took what I said out of context, and he responded in a magazine article instead of the 20 different ways people have to actually contact me directlly. I can’t do any better on the second, because his column doesn’t include any way to respond to him but like this, but I can at least make sure you get his context by quoting him:

Leí en la red una polémica relativa a Pantera I, que si estaba muerto, que si andaba de juerga; la única verdad que Kin Taniya sabe al respecto es que Pantera I hacía pareja con Pantera II. Se retira el I y el II se queda con el nombre, mismo que paseó por Japón, WWF, AAA, CMLL, etc., etc. El Pantera I recién regresa a la actividad, pero en su ausencia algunos marks lo dieron por muerto y propagaron en la red esa versión sin fundamentos. Y no sólo eso: resulta que sujeto, al que aseguran muerto, salió en internet dando una entrevista aludiendo a que por fin está de regreso, y hasta mostró documento del Indautor que lo avala como Pantera I. Pero ya lo hacían muerto y ahora hasta especulan que su hermano está poniendo a otro tras la máscara. Es decir, es más fácil inventar más y más mentiras, llenar a los fanáticos la cabeza con especulaciones, que poner en tela de juicio mi propia verdad, mi versión. Marks es lo que son.
Moraleja: no creas nunca, nunca, en los marks de internet, hasta que alguien que sí conozca el medio de la lucha libre, incluyendo en este rubro a los medios serios y especializados como SUPER LUCHAS, lo confirme. El mismo relajo se traen en su famosa Wiki, con el tema los Máscaras Sagradas y otros personajes; creen tener un seguimiento de quien los ha encarnado, pero la verdad es que sólo se enteran por chismes y suposiciones de terceros. Escriben como si tuvieran la verdad absoluta, pero en la lucha libre, que como toda expresión creativa está llena de subjetividad, no hay tal verdad. La verdad no se posee, se construye día a día.

I’ve been this blog for nine years now. If you think I’m a lying liar who just makes up things, because I didn’t automatically take what a luchador said about his past at fake value, or because I said Averno had signed with WWE and he’s still never been there, or because of some typo I make in this or other post, or some fact I haven’t cleaned up on the luchawiki, that’s your right. I’d like to point the body of work you can find over in the archives in my defense. I think I could do a better job, but I try not to be malicious and I know I’m not making stuff up. I spend way too much time on this to be screwing it up like that.

I do not like being called a liar, but that’s actually not the part that bugs me. It’s the section where Kin states the only people you should trust are people like him who are on the ‘inside’ like himself, Superluchas and other people like them. This is absurd! You should never trust a group of people just based on some self conferred badge of authority, people who write for lucha libre magazines definitely included. There are some fantastic people who write well researched pieces in lucha libre magazines – Ernesto’s recent series about the pre-EMLL history of lucha libre in Mexico was definitely that – and there people at the other end of the spectrum who really are making up stuff and would probably have no problem admitting it if you asked them politely enough. (As far as I know, they don’t work for SuperLuchas.) In the middle of that, there are people who are carefully telling the truth in parts and leaving off what they’d prefer not known in other parts, and there are people coming up with cover blurbs which deceive about the contents inside. You can’t throw a blanket over all these people and call them one thing, because they’re all not doing the same thing. The one thing they share in common is they’re all writing for lucha libre magazines, and the goal of a lucha libre magazine is to be able to put out next week’s issue. Truth is part of that, but there are non-truth elements that make for a better magazine when you’re writing about fictional battles for mass consumption.

The idea that fans can’t be trust among themselves with precious info about lucha libre is just as crazy. The majority of wrestling fans I’ve interacted with are smart people who just want to go to a show or watch in on TV and have a good time, but are stuck with a fandom that’s built around deception and can’t quite figure out where to stop with that. There are some nice luchadors and kind promoters, but fans relying on any kind of wrestling promotion to care about their fans as much as they care about themselves are fools. Fans have to take care of each other.

I try to write as an educated fan and for educated fans. I don’t claim to know everything (I claim ‘I dunno’ an awful lot), but I hope you can trust I have no other agenda other than trying to figure stuff out. That’s not what the magazines are really there for. You make your own judgements about who to trust, don’t let someone else decide for you.

Things I did like in the column:

– The luchawiki is referred to as famous! Having seen the Google stats, I definitely would not have thought that. (Same thing applies for this site.) The daily views here would make for a poor Arena Mexico show.

– a lucha libre column actually took a strong viewpoint on something! I’m pretty sure 99% of them are ‘this is a thing that is happening, it might be good, it might be bad, we’ll have to wait and see’ and ‘this is someone I think is great, isn’t he great, we should all appreciate how great he is’. I mean, I would definitely prefer if the opinionated columns didn’t trash projects I’ve been working on for a decade, but I’m thrilled someone took a side on something.

other news

AAA will have a QPPLC press conference tomorrow, talking about the final in Mexico City next week. A busy week for AAA press conferences!

Rob has highlights of 11/06 CMLL and Insectos invade!

PorraFresa Puebla celebrates four years.

Photos from Fenix’s trip to Japan.


CMLL (TUE) 12/04/2012 Arena Mexico
1) Bengala & Höruz vs Camorra & Inquisidor
2) Leono, Molotov, Tigre Blanco vs Bobby Zavala, Disturbio, Hijo del Signo
3) Dark Angel, Estrellita, Luna Mágica vs Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sugheit, Tiffany
4) Diamante vs Vangelis [lightning]
5) La Máscara, Marco Corleone, Valiente vs Tama Tonga, Terrible, Tiger
6) Niebla Roja & Último Guerrero vs Pólvora & Rey Escorpión

Maybe CMLL is doing the big year end show on a Tuesday! (They are probably not. Polvora vs Niebla Roja for the title is not of the question though.)

Estrellita’s first appearance as champ.

CMLL (TUE) 12/04/2012 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Divino & Sky Kid vs Èvola & Thunder Boy
2) Leo & Metatrón vs Exterminador & Magnum
3) Cancerbero, Raziel, Virus vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Hooligan, Skándalo
4) Rey Cometa, Sagrado, Triton vs Namajague, Puma, Shigeo Okumura
5) Ángel de Oro, La Sombra, Titán vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Negro Casas, Psicosis

Main event is a rematch, though not sure what feud they’re doing. More Puma/Cometa, more Cancerberos vs Tuareg.

indy (SUN) 12/09/2012 Arena GALLI, Villa Park
1) Matt Creed & Tom Heisman vs Calvin Beckham & Funebre
2) Bandolero, Golden Dragon, Rey Fuego vs Gpa, Mike Anthony, Mojo Mcqueen
3) Atomico & Furia Roja vs Dark Scorpion & El Traidor
4) Ripper vs Dante Dvs [strap match]
5) Acid Jazz, Marshe Rockett, Negrotistico, Willie Richardson vs Jake Shining, Jon Morales, Mason Conrad, Matt Knicks
6) Emperador Azteca vs Discovery [NWA MEXICO LLIGHT]
Discovery is champion


Sombra defeats Terrible, Guerreros vs Guerreros, Estrellita wins women’s title, DTU

CMLL (MON) 11/26/2012 Arena Puebla [Porra Fresa]
1) Dinámikoo & Lestat b Centauro de Fuego & King Jaguar
King Jaguar replaced Blue Center. Tecnicos took 1/3.
2) Bobby Zavala, Disturbio, Hooligan b Black Tiger, Pegasso, Stigma
Black Tiger replaced Hombre Bala Jr., making it Puebla vs CMLL. Rudos took 1/3.
3) Demus 3:16, Pequeño Warrior, Pierrothito b Astral, Fantasy, Último Dragoncito
Rudos took 2/3, Pierrothito snuck in a foul on Dragoncito.
4) Rey Cometa b Puma King [lightning]
Rey Cometa wore face paint and won in 5:57 with a top rope ‘rana.
5) Euforia, Mr. Águila, Mr. Niebla b Blue Panther, Máscara Dorada, Shocker
Rudos had Mije & Zacarias and took 2/3 for the win. Niebla beat Panther and Euforia beat Shocker.
6) La Sombra b Terrible
Comandate was with Terrible. Terrible took the first with a cavernaria. Sombra caught him with a small package in the second. Comandante interfered in the third fall, but Sombra still won with a double moonsault. Sombra told Terrible he just proved he was better, and he’d be winning the Heavyweight title on Sunday. Best match on the show.

photo by CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 11/27/2012 Arena Mexico [CMLL]
1) Höruz & Oro Jr. b Ramstein & Zayco
2) Dark Angel, Goya Kong, Silueta b Amapola, Princesa Sugheit, Zeuxis
tecnicas took 1/3, Silueta pinning Zeuxis and Goya splashing Amapola.
3) Namajague, Shigeo Okumura, Virus b Fuego, Starman, Triton
Starman replaced Hijo del Fantasma. Rudos took 1/3, Namajague powerbombing Triton and Virus submitting Starman.
4) Blue Panther, Guerrero Maya Jr., Valiente b Black Warrior, Ephesto, Felino
Tecnicos took 1/3.
5) Niebla Roja DQ Pólvora [lightning]
Polvora pulled Niebla Roja’s mask in 7:25. Ultimo Guerrero ran out for the save, but Rey Escorpion ran in thru the crowd to help Polvora. Guerrero fouled Escorpion.
6) Tama Tonga, Terrible, Último Guerrero b Marco Corleone, Máximo, Super Porky

Estrellita won the Mexican National Women’s championship from Princesa Blanca in Arena Coliseo Guadalajara last night. It’s not a big surprise, Estrellita has been doing well in CMLL for the last year and they might have done this weeks ago if Estrellita didn’t cut her hand in a match and had to sit out for a few weeks. Marcela is the world champion, but CMLL presents Estrellita as the biggest female star. If you’re going to go with Estrellita, you might as well go strongly and having Estrellita with a belt is step in that direction.

It’s actually more surprising it didn’t take place on a big show. Blanca and Estrellita have been slightly feuding on the El Luchador show: an early episode included a pull apart when Blanca found out Estrellita was dating Puma King and tonight’s episode appears to center around the cage match they were both involved in. I’m still not sure if the A&E reality show makes a tangible difference to CMLL business – the worst period of CMLL last year was when season 1 aired – but it seems like worth trying to capitalize on it somehow. Right now, the only way they might be doing it is making sure Mistico is back in the ring just in time for the El Luchador episode where he becomes Mistico airs.

Princesa Blanca was champion for nearly 4 years. Amapola was world champion for most of that time, so they’ve gone in a couple months from the rudas dominating the championships to the tecnicas. (It also means the bodybuilding contest tomorrow is the only title Dark Angel is probably getting a shot at in the near future.)


Lucha Libre in Japan

11/28 NJPW: MVP & Shelton Benjamin [O] b Rush & Diamante Azul [X]
Rush & Diamante Azul finish 2-4, in last place. Good job, good effort. They’re off until Saturday where they’re in non-tournament action.


DTU (FRI) 12/07/2012 Arena Queretaro
1) Jhonky vs Jorge Quebrada, Artrus, Eragon Kid, Extreme Boy, Slayer Pac, Radical, Gremelin, Astro Latino [DTU AAACDEMIA]
2) Lucky Boy & Niño de Ébano vs Avaricia & Talaxys and Ángel Del Misterio & Konami and Lanzeloth & Rocky Lobo
Lucky Boy & Nino de Ebano are Maxima Velocidad, Talaxys and Avaricia are MAX Rapidos, Rocky Lobo & Lanzeloth are part of Dinastia Crazy
3) Keira vs Reyna Azteca, ?
mystery woman is a finalist from this year’s QPPLC
4) Lily Fighter, Niño Hamburguesa, Paloma Rouse vs ?, La Magnifica, Sherry Diva
mystery person is a SLP exotico
5) Eita vs Flamita, Tribal, Principe Halcón, Hacker, Daga
6) Aero Boy & Black Fire vs Draztick Boy & Rey Latino and Demente Extreme & Séptimo Dragón and Draego & Tony Rodríguez
Dreago & Tony Rodriguez represent GDL’s NWG promotion.
7) Araña De Plata Jr, Ciclope, Loco Max, Pequeno Cobra vs ?, Drabek, Mr. Rebelde, Ursus [cage, hair, mask]
Los Mazisos vs Queretaro locals, last one in loses hair or mask
8) Paranoiko & Pesadilla vs Halloween & Psicosis and Makabre & Super Mega

DTU tour. I think it’s neat how it’s not just Tulancingo & Mexico City wrestlers on the show, but luchadors from places they go to regularly (Guadalajara, SLP) are involved. Also nice is how they’ve getting tag teams together for an extended period prior to having titles (which I assume are coming sometime soon); it’s much better than the other way.

Whenever’s last week’s Fusion recap gets posted (2014), I’ll go over this again, but you really want to book Nicho el Millionario and not Psicosis I right now. Nicho is alright. Psicosis I has been back for months and hasn’t gotten a mask he can actually see and work out of it.

A long long time ago (earlier this year), Daga vowed he was done with DTU. He’s back because of the Perros del Mal deal.

I would guess a local is losing their hair in the cage match. But that must mean Loco Max has hair again.

DTU (SAT) 12/08/2012 Arena Margarita, San Luis Potosi
1) Artikus & Sherry Diva vs ? & Lily Fighter and Radical & Ramieth
mystery person is a SLP exotico
2) Crazy Power I, Crazy Power II, Eragon Kid vs Niño de Ébano, Pequeno Cobra, Talaxys and Extreme Boy, Jorge Quebrada, Slayer Pack
3) Hormiga vs Black Fire, Septimo Dragon, Galaxy, Aranita, Rey Angel, Araña de Plata Jr.
4) Super Mega vs Paranoiko, Dement Extremee, Chica Yeye, Centella Inca, Rey Latino, Alex Guajardo
5) Eita vs Flamita, Principe Halcon, Angel Del Misterio, Hacker [DTU ALTO]
Eita is the champion
6) Ciclope vs Aero Boy, Drastik Boy [mask]
7) ?, Astro Latino, Jhonky vs Joe Lider
Mystery wrestler is a DTU trainee, as Lider takes on new wrestlers.
8) Pesadilla vs Cerebro Negro [DTU]
Pesadilla is the champion

Pesadilla is the DTU champion though Joe Lider still seems to defend this title from time to time.

Semifinal appears to be 1 vs 3 and not a four way, but I could be reading the poster wrong. The idea is Lider is going to destroy some rookies.

The three way mask match has been teased for a while. It’s a long term feud with an actual payoff. Those of us who just follow AAA and CMLL may be unfamiliar with the concept.

great match roundup, week of 11/03/2012

(Yes, this far behind.)

Great/Excellent Matches


Watched, nothing made the list
CMLL on CadenaTres: 2012-11-03 – trios title match was good but not enough to make the list
AAA on Televisa: 2012-11-04
CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2012-11-03
CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2012-11-03 – best show of the week!
CMLL on Televisa: 2012-11-04
CMLL Sin Piedad: 2012-11-04 – only watched (no recap) the Rojo/Valiente match, didn’t feel it made it
IWRG Zona XXI: 2012-11-05
AAA Fusion: 2012-11-07

Possible Qualifying Matches I Haven’t Had A Chance To Watch (yet)

CMLL Guadalajara: 2012-11-03 – Pequeno Reyes del Aire.

Time Period Where I’ll Combine These All Into One More Useful Post


11/24-26 lucha videos

This week’s playlist:

La Historia de La Lucha Libre Mexicana from History Channel en Espanol:
I watched half of this before realizing I’d seen it already, but here it is anyway. Enjoy the 15 seconds of Saruman & Magnus wrestling in Tony Salazar’s class, and a moment in time where Dragon Lee only existed as someone for Guerrero Maya to do moves on. Imagine if, instead of Reyes del Atlantida, there existed a long running trio of Negro Casas, Hijo del Signo, and Diamante – that would be odd.

El Luchador 2×6:

11/24 Sobre el Ring (Octagon guests):

11/24 WWC:
11/25 WWC:

11/24 En Busca de un Idolo: – Titan talks Triton off a ledge. 

CMLL Guadalajara: 2012-11-24
taped 2012-11-20 @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Dalis la Caribeña, Estrellita, Silueta vs La Comandante, Princesa Blanca, Zeuxis
2) Atlantis, Hijo del Fantasma, Máscara Dorada vs Morphosis, Psicosis, Tama Tonga
3) La Máscara vs Volador Jr.

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX: 2012-11-24
taped 2012-11-18 @ Arena Mexico
1) Fuego vs Namajague in a lightning match
2) Blue Panther, Hijo del Fantasma, Rey Cometa vs Kráneo, Mr. Águila, Olímpico
3) La Sombra, Marco Corleone, Máscara Dorada vs Tama Tonga, Terrible, Tiger

CMLL on Fox Sports (Mexico): 2012-11-24
taped 2012-11-16 @ Arena Mexico
1) La Máscara, Rush, Shocker vs Felino, Negro Casas, Volador Jr.
2) Titán vs Averno for the Mexican National Welterweight Championship

CMLL on Televisa: 2012-11-24
taped 2012-11-16 @ Arena Mexico
1) Hombre Bala Jr., Pegasso, Super Halcón Jr. vs Hooligan, Raziel, Virus
2) Diamante vs Mephisto in a lightning match
3) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, La Sombra vs Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero

CMLL on CadenaTres: 2012-11-24
taped 2012-11-20 @ Arena Mexico
1) Freesbe & Robin vs Cholo & Zayco
2) Camaleón, Höruz, Molotov vs Bobby Zavala, Disturbio, Inquisidor
3) Diamante, Fuego, Sagrado vs Arkángel de la Muerte, Sangre Azteca, Skándalo  
History: 1940s and Arena Coliseo
4) Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr., Valiente vs Felino, Negro Casas, Puma
Stellar Moments
5) Euforia, Niebla Roja, Último Guerrero vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Pólvora, Rey Escorpión

AAA on Televisa: 2012-11-25
taped 2012-11-09 @ Gimnasio Miguel Hidalgo de Puebla
1) Cuervo & Fabi Apache vs Gran Apache & Mari Apache
Noti AAA
2) Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Silver King, Toscano
AAA on Televisa (Regional): 2012-11-25
taped 2012-11-09 @ Gimnasio Miguel Hidalgo de Puebla
1) Lolita, Mascarita Dorada, Pimpinela Escarlata vs Mini Psicosis, Polvo de Estrellas, Taya Valkyrie
2) Cuervo & Fabi Apache vs Gran Apache & Mari Apache
3) Escoria, Espíritu, Ozz vs Devil Rocker, Machine Rocker, Soul Rocker
4) Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Silver King, Toscano
5) Cibernético & El Mesías vs el Hijo del Perro Aguayo & Texano Jr. 
CMLL Sin Piedad: 2012-09-09 – aired previously, wasn’t posted complete here
taped 2012-09-03 @ Arena Puebla
3) Atlantis, Diamante Azul, Titán vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Tiger
4) Rush vs Hiroshi Tanahashi 

IWRG Zona XXI: 2012-11-26
taped 2012-11-25 @ Arena Naucalpan
1) Dinamic Black, Golden Magic, Niko vs Araña de Plata, Eita, Imposible
2) Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Veneno vs Alan Extreme, Carta Brava Jr., Eterno
3) el Ángel, Hijo de LA Park, Hijo de Pirata Morgan vs Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Oficial 911
4) Factor vs Cien Caras Jr. for the IWRG Rey del Ring Championship


indY () 12/02 Kids Arena, Monterrey
1) Star Boy vs Spider Boy vs Magistral
2) Super Cometa, Pirana, Xtasis vs Black Poisson, Dragon Kid, Cadaver
3) Chacala, Dark Fantasy vs Dama de Hierro, Nahomi
4) Epydemius, Demenzia vs Angel del Silencio, ANgel del Futuro vs Dranzer, Scravos vs rey Pantera, Mr. Pantera
4) Tigre Universitario, Galactar, Rey Imagen vs Barba Roja, Tony Boy, Iron

Guerra de Titanes, AAA Reina de Reinas in Japan and upcoming TV schedule, Samuray del Sol

AAA held a press conference in Guadalajara to promote Guerra de Titanes. Perro Aguayo, Chessman and Cibernetico were to talk about the main event. Cibernetico said he’d prefer a one on one, and Perro suggested they just let the other four go so they could have itThe TNA surprise wrestler was not mentioned in the cruiserweight ladder match discussion; they didn’t just not mention a name, but they didn’t mention there was supposed to be a guy from TNA at all. Maybe there won’t be? Octagon Jr. was officially announced as La Parka & Octagon’s partner, as presumed. The match is being billed as Consejo vs AAA, but the gimmick is Dorian and Konnan are picking Silver King’s partners. In a separate interview, LA Park says Dr. Wagner always flees from him wherever they go (hmm) but they could settle in the cage. Park is totally uninterested in the other four guys, but would easily beat them should they end up together.

AAA also held a press conference in Japan, to hype today’s Reina de Reinas show with local promotion WAVE. Dorian Roldan traveled with the luchadors to this show, as did the crew from TerceraCaiada. Which leads today’s show

WAVE 11/27 Reina de Reinas:
Sexi Star b Jennifer Blake [Reina de Reinas, semifinal]
Kaguya b Fabi Apache [Reina de Reinas, semifinal]
Ayako Hamada, CIMA, Bashiko b Pimpinela, Lolita, Fenix
Sexi Star b Kaguya [Reina de Reinas]

Sexi Star keeps her title. Fenix impressed in his match.

AAA’s TV announced a year end taping in Acapulco on 12/21. That matches up with what Konnan was saying about the break period. The year end show is usual in Chilpancingo, though they went back there in May (maybe knowing they wouldn’t be going later?) The last taping I can find in Acapulco is July 2007, though there was a planned and canceled taping in 2008. My best guess at the TV schedule is

11/09 Puebla (11/17 & 11/24 – finished up this week)
11/15 Naucalpan (12/01 & 12/08 – everything airs)
12/02 Zapopan/GdT (12/15 & 12/22)
Best of filler show (just 12/29?)
12/21 Acapulco (01/05 & 01/12)
01/10 TBA

They usually run more than one week of filler shows and still could, but the schedule works nicely for just one. The pattern of two tapings shows continues, and will continue until there are more venues they can run.

Today’s Arena Mexico show has Ultimo Guerrero, Terrible, and Tama Tonga taking on Marco Corleone, Brazo de Plata, Maximo. The only built match is Niebla Roja vs Polvora, two rudos on opposite sides of the Guerrero breakup. The biggest match of the day is over in Guadalajara, where Princesa Blanca defends her Mexican National championship versus Estrellita and a title change is realistic possibility.

Diamante replaces Super Porky on Sunday’s Guadalajara show. The bigger news is that card is the same day as Guerra de Titanes, but it’s so ordinary that I didn’t realize it was meant to be opposition. It is a few more CMLL guys than usual, but anyone interested in heading to Zapopan for a six way cage match is not going to be change their minds because of a Volador vs Maximo main event. It is a token futile effort.

Samuray del Sol says he’ll be only using the Octagon Jr. in AAA. I think that’s the right move for him in the US; he can only change to Octagon Jr. later on when he needs a a fresh look for whatever reason. Samuray’s just breaking thru on the bigger promotions, not the right time to make the name change and confuse people. And the reality is, Octagon Jr. is going to mean something in front of the lucha audiences but not really much for the iPPV crowd. That’s where AAA is right now.

Dark Angel talks about her preparation for the bodybuilding contest this Thursday. She makes it sound like a fun challenge. I didn’t know this, but apparently no one knows who’s actually competing in the contest until the day of the contest.

IWRG has a couple of videos talking about the upcoming 50th anniversary of the family promoting in Naucalpan.

Rob has highlights of this year’s Heroes Inmortales.

There’s a column in SuperLuchas this week strongly critical of what I wrote about Pantera I, of the luchawiki, and of this site. I don’t have the time to respond today (and I don’t know that anyone cares about inter-media arguments), but I did want to at least acknowledge I saw it since I think that was the goal. Maybe I’ll get to it on Thursday. Always nice to find out people are actually reading the site, even when they greatly despise it.


Lucha Libre in Japan

11/25 FUKUMENMANIA 22: Stuka Jr. [O], Mr. Cacao , Hariken Kid b Arkangel de la Muerte [X], Diablo de la arna Negra, Mineo Fujita – Stuka torpedo splash in 23:40

11/27 NJPW: Strong Man & Manabu Nakanishi [O] b Diamante Azul [X] & Rush
Azul & Rush fall to 2-3, need to win out to have a chance


CMLL HERDEZ (SAT) 12/08/2012 Super Kompras, Santiago Tiangustenco, Mexico State
1) Camaleón & Leono vs Cancerbero & Raziel
2) Atlantis, La Máscara, Máximo vs Averno, Mephisto, Último Guerrero

Tickets free with $40 ($3 USD) of Herdez purchases at the supermarket. Sangre Azteca, recognizable enough to get his mask used for this promotion, not a big enough star to be on the card.

Factor keeps title, IWRG prision, Volador/Maximo, GALLI, Mistico

IWRG (SUN) 11/25/2012 Arena Naucalpan [Estrellas del Ring, The Gladiatores]
1) Dragón Celestial & Power Bull b Fulgore & Serpiente de Oro
straight falls. Power Bull’s debut on the main show after appearing on a few FILL shows.
2) Dinamic Black, Golden Magic, Niko b Araña de Plata, Eita, Imposible
Niko beat Eita.
3) Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Veneno b Alan Extreme, Carta Brava Jr., Eterno
Eterno replaced Canis Lupus, who is officially out with an injury. Tecnicos took 2/3, though Dr. Cerebro had Carta Brava beat and Cerebro Negro stole the win. Dr. Cerebro attacked Cerebro Negro after the match, and title and mask match challenges followed.
4) el Ángel, Hijo de LA Park, Hijo de Pirata Morgan DQ Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Oficial 911
Tecnicos took 2/3. 911 pulled Angel’s mask for a DQ, which set up more mask challenge between the two.
5) Factor b Cien Caras Jr. [IWRG Rey del Ring]
Factor came in as champion. Cien had Hijo de Mascara as his second, while Oficial 911 was forced to be Factor’s second. 911 attacked Cien in the first fall, Mascara ran in for revenge, and Mascara was caught of the DQ. Mascara was kicked out of ringside too. Cien protested that he must have a second, so the commission made Hijo de Pirata come out for it. This didn’t turn out well either, Pirata accidentally hitting Cien with a chair to set up Factor’s win. Mascara, Pirata, Factor and 911 agreed to Prison Fatal match next week where someone will be unmasked.

What’s odd here is IWRG’s twitter says Angel accepted 911’s mask challenge. I thought last night that meant the cage match wasn’t until down the road (and so the the Luchas2000 cover with it was kind of spoiling the Angel/911 finish), but maybe it’s the Angel/911 that’s later? Maybe Angel finds his way into the cage match – but he probably could’ve still been around when they made that match last night and didn’t take part the challenges. This will make sense at some point.

CMLL (SUN) 11/25/2012 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [El Occidental (5), Informador (5)]
5) Máximo, Shocker, Valiente DQ Averno, Mephisto, Volador Jr.
Tecnicos took 1/3, Maximo kissing Volador and Volador fouling Maximo for the DQ. This sets up a singles match next week.

GALLI (SUN) 11/25/2012 Arena GALLI, Villa Park, IL [KC]
1) Ripper DQ Mike Anthony
Anthony low blow dropkicked Ripper, and Ripper managed to get the foul call. This sets up a fans hold the straps strap match between Ripper and Anthony’s manager Dante DVS on 12/09
2) Dark Scorpion & Traidor b Matt Creed & Tommy Heisman
good match, Traidor wins via Gori Special. Traidor demanded rival Atomico come out to face him
3) Atomico b Traidor
quick match.
4) Marshe Rocket & Willie Richardson b Jon Morales & Matt Knicks
5) Bryce Bengajmin & Golden Dragon b Mojo Mcqueen & Rob Michaels
Bryne pinned McQueen. Mojo’s manager Dante DVS blamed Rob for the loss, slapping him. Michaels choked out DVS with his chain until Mojo & Anthony made the save.
6) Jake Shinning b Acid Jazz [GALLI CHAMP]
Mason Conard, who also earned this title shot last week, was not presented with the ring announcer noticing it. Shinning’s friends Morales, Knicks and manager Jason Russo interfered. The wrestlers were run off by the rest of the Soul Touchaz, but Russo still managed to blow Chocolate mist in Jazz’s face to blind him, and Shinning superkicked Jazz to win the title. Shinning pointed at Extreme Tiger after the match.
7) Bandolero & Noriega b Azteca & Calvin Beckham
switched to a pairs match because Fuego couldn’t make the show; Furia Roja snuck into give Beckham a Sliced Bread #2 to give the tecnicos the win. Furia went to shave Beckham, but Funebre ran in for the rudos – then Discovery returned to help the tecnicos! Matches were made for 12/09 (Discovery vs Azteca) and 12/16 (Beckham, Azteca, Funebre vs Rey Fuego, Noriega and Bandolero, elimination match, final two in an apuesta match, admission free with a gift for the toy drive.)

Extreme Tiger signed autographs as the show and is doing a seminar today.

Mistico is still being advertised for an Arena Xalapa show on 12/05, which would be just over 3 weeks from his injury. Tickets went on sale yesterday; they probably should’ve advised the local promoter if Mistico wasn’t coming before he started selling tickets, so I assume he’s working the show.

On his MLW Radio podcast, Konnan mention AAA’s off from 12/21 to either 01/06 or 01/10. That leaves time for one, and maybe two, tapings after Guerra de Titanes. Konnan also feels like the Guerra de Titanes cage match is unlike most lucha cage matches, because everyone who’s in it is a big deal and there’s no obvious loser. (Chessman is the obvious loser to me, but I can generously say he’s not as obvious as some cage matches.) Konnan thinks Vampiro needs to play more off his classic look rather than trying to change things up, because he’ll be more marketable that way, and told a story about Vampiro showing up one day with Nazi gear. Konnan also said “Jeff Jarrett is in our long term plans”, but noted he was carefully speaking about the situation for whatever reason. Konnan also seemed to think Daga won the QPPLC minis division, which may explain why he’s not gotten that cruiserweight title shot. Konnan says Samuray is free to use the Octagon Jr. in DGUSA and elsewhere, but seemed to want keep with his original name.

In Pacucha, CMLL’s Mercurio agreed to a hair match with local tecnico Killer Boy.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Pachuca luchador Barrio Azteca will be honored at the Box Y Lucha year end awards.

Medico Asesino Jr. talks about traveling to Bolivia.


IWRG (THU) 11/29/2012 Arena Naucalpan
1) Galaxie vs Epidemia
spelling change for Galaxy?
2) Dinamic Black & La Cobra vs Alan Extreme & Eita
3) el Ángel vs Eterno [IWRG IC MIDDLE]
Angel is champion
4) Bestia 666, Damián 666, Fuerza Guerrera vs Dr. Cerebro, Pantera, Veneno
5) Solar I, Super Astro, Ultraman vs Black Terry, Negro Navarro, Pirata Morgan [super libre]
remach from the previous week

Angel vs Eterno sounds like it could be good.

CMLL (SUN) 12/02/2012 Arena Coliseo
1) Camaleón & Soberano Jr. vs Camorra & Guerrero Negro Jr.
2) Ángel Azteca Jr., Pegasso, Starman vs Bobby Zavala, Disturbio, Hooligan
3) Triton vs Skándalo [lightning]
4) Ángel de Oro, Hijo del Fantasma, Stuka Jr. vs Cancerbero, Misterioso Jr., Raziel
5) Atlantis, Delta, Guerrero Maya Jr. vs Kráneo, Mr. Águila, Psicosis
Atlantis team are the national trios champs. Non-title
6) Terrible vs La Sombra [CMLL HEAVY]
Terrible is champion

That’s a good show, not the least because they kept the Cancerberos and Tuareg on separate teams. If this means elevating Razial & Cancerbero, all the better.

Reyes del Atlantida and the Invasors are just locked in against each other. More Guerrero Maya vs Kraneo!

CMLL (SUN) 12/02/2012 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Black Metal & Halcón de Plata vs Espectrum & Sádico
2) Esfinge, Gallo, Smaker vs Bárbaro Cavernario, Maléfico, Ráfaga
3) Dark Angel & Silueta vs Amapola & La Comandante
4) Eros vs In Memoriam [hair]
5) La Máscara, Máscara Dorada, Super Porky, Titán, Valiente vs Euforia, Namajague, Shigeo Okumura, Tama Tonga, Último Guerrero [cibernetico]
6) Máximo vs Volador Jr.

Eros & In Memoriam have both lost their masks in the last few months.

Random ciberneticos often set up singles matches.

Where will Mije be? Volador really shouldn’t need Mije’s help to beat Maximo.

IWRG (SUN) 12/02/2012 Arena Naucalpan
1) Mini Batista, Mini Rey Cometa, Mini Super Astro vs Mini Espiritu, Mini Psicosis, Piratita Morgan Jr.
2) Centvrión, Cerebro Negro, Dinamic Black vs Alan Extreme, Carta Brava Jr., Eita
3) Oficial AK47 & Oficial Fierro vs Rayan & Spartan
4) el Ángel, Trauma I, Trauma II vs Bestia 666, Canis Lupus, Damián 666
5) Hijo de Pirata Morgan vs Hijo de Máscara Año 2000, Factor, Oficial 911 [cage, mask, Prison Fatal]

If I understand the main event right, there will be keys hanging in the cage, and you must use them to escape the cage. The last one locked in loses his mask. I guess it’s better than climbing out?  Police never do stuff in prision.

Centvirion and Dinamic Black need to assure Cerebro Negro they’re totally on his side and not on Dr. Cerebro’s, or that will go badly for them.

Minis match is crazy. There’s a lot of mini pirates. Cometa & Espiritu are from Puebla, Espiritu’s been in the QPPLC contest. Batista has turned on a small show lineup, but his entrance needs to make TV here.