CMLL Forjando un Idolo, Part 1


My plan was to recap all the TV shows, since I’d effectively done half of all of them by watching these matches. But then then the TV shows never turned up and I’ve watched three dozen other matches since thinking about these ones. Alas.

#porraReyCometa (and the other guy)

Hijo del Signo vs Hombre Bala Jr., Arena Puebla, 04/11/2011: this was the match where Hijo del Signo really impressed me; maybe he’s a better singles wrestler, maybe he’s just better when he gets to b a good rudo, but this was a solid smart focused match that CMLL youngsters don’t normally do.

Diamante vs Puma King, Arena Puebla, 04/11/2011: That other match felt more IWRG style, this one was CMLL.

Palacio Negro vs Rey Cometa, Arena Mexico, 04/12/2011: This has spots that went well and some that didn’t go quite so.

Angel de Oro vs Escorpion, Arena Mexico, 04/12/2011: Not sure if they even know where they’re going with this idea (or if they are), but the UG/Rey Scorpion stuff is at least catching people’s attraction.

Fuego vs Pólvora, Arena Coliseo, 04/17/2011: Polvora really doesn’t interest me, but Fuego had a really strong tournament.

Magnus vs Angel de Plata, Arena Coliseo, 04/17/2011: Not a disaster! Hooray.

04/30-05/01 lucha videos


  • 04/30 WWC and 05/01 WWC
  • 04/30 CMLL 52MX:
    Rayo Tapatío I & Rayo Tapatío II vs Enrique Vera Jr. & Hombre Bala Jr.
    Felino, Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero vs Black Warrior, Metro, Palacio Negro
  • 04/30 AAA – a good show!
    Angelico, Argenis, Fenix vs Dark Dragon, Polvo de Estrellas, Tito Santana
    Extreme Tiger & Jack Evans vs Silver King & Último Gladiador [AAA TAG]
    Dr. Wagner Jr. & El Mesías b Damián 666 & LA Park
  • 05/01 ACM:
    Caifan 69, Máscara Púrpura, Silencio vs Antifaz del Norte, Hator, Veneno. I believe Veneno is still karate chopping someone right this moment
  • 05/01 CMLL Gala:
    Escorpion vs Rey Cometa [Forjando Un Idolo]
    Ángel de Oro vs Palacio Negro [Forjando Un Idolo]
    Héctor Garza, Hirooki Goto, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, Dragón Rojo Jr., Último Guerrero
    Blue Panther, La Máscara, La Sombra vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

LATV was a rerun.

Teleformula: CMLL GDL
Ángel de Oro, Ángel de Plata, Valiente b Dragón Rojo Jr., Shigeo Okumura, Virus
Felino & Mr. Niebla b Hijo del Fantasma & Máscara Dorada


CMLL Guadalajara on Teleformula #44 (04/24/2011)

poor Hooligan :(

taped @ Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, 03/15/2011
file: here
recap: here

Arkángel de la Muerte, Hooligan, Skándalo vs Diamante, Gallo, Sagrado: Fair. I’m a sucker for any time Hooligan pulls off his boot and starts hitting people with it, though it seems to be backfiring more times than it’s worked. I may just be a sucker for more Hooligan. Sagrado was really going after him with the boot after, he’s not letting the rudos have any fun.

Máximo & Rush vs Negro Casas & Rey Bucanero: This arrangement did not bring out the best of anyone. Getting another Bucanero/Maximo match after they negelected to show the blow off for that feud is annoying, though at least they had Maximo work Negro instead most of the time.


GDL, Valiente/Virus, Aerostar

photo by Black Terry Jr.

CMLL (SUN) 05/01/2011 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Leo b Titanio
2) Black Metal & Magnum b Drago & Metalik
3) Astro Boy & Tigre Blanco b Mortiz & Semental
4) Estrellita, Princesa Sujei, Tiffany b Lluvia, Luna Mágica, Marcela
Rudas had all not been here for at least 3 months, but got the win in their return.
5) Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Texano b Máximo, Toscano, Valiente
Easy win for the new rudo trio.

Hooray for the return of GDL recaps.

IWRG (SUN) 05/01/2011 Arena Naucalpan [Black Terry Jr. (flickr), Mi Lucha Libre]
1) Tonatiuh b Muerte Infernal
straight falls
2) Carta Brava Jr. & Imposible b Dinamic Black & Eragón
3) Golden Magic, Miss Gaviota, Turbo b Alan Extreme, Comando Negro, El Pollo Asesino
with everyonoe else outside after the ring after dives, Golden Magic powerbombed Comando negro for the win.
4) Multifacético, Trauma I, Trauma II b Cuervo, Espíritu, Ozz
upset! Multifacteico got the win, sect set up a rematch.
5) Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown b Bestia 666, Hijo de LA Park, Pirata Morgan
Psycho got away with a foul on Pirata Morgan

CMLL Gaceta previews Valiente vs Virus for the Mexican Welterweight Championship, noting they were both trained by wrestler Fuerza Aerea.  I’d expect Valiente to hold on to the title.

A day before Aerostar was strechered out in Chilpancingo, Aerostar was strechered in Puebla after injuring his noise on his dive. Noticing a pattern. A child he hit also suffered a bloody nose.

TNA TV show will now start airing at the exact same time as the AAA TV show. I’m thinking that doesn’t help (though I’m not sure it matters.) Speaking of unfortunate timing, Drago is going to debut on US TV this Sunday doing the same green mist spit Rey Misterio did last night at the WWE PPV. Drago did it a month before, not sure it matters.

Forjando un Idolo



IWRG FIL (WED) 05/04/2011 Arena Naucalpan
1) ? vs ??
2) ? vs ??
3) ? vs ??
4) Dragon Fly, Hijo del Pantera, Triton vs ?, Comando Negro, Dark Devil
5) Alan Extreme, Centurión, Dinamic Black, Eterno, Fresero Jr., Golden Magic, Rolling Boy, Saruman vs ?, Beta, Bizarro, Black Lancer, Kortiz, Maquina Infernal, Negro Casasola, Templario [cibernetico]

Only off by 10 days.  Also, they seem to be using their twitter again; we just need them to link the posters. (This one was posted by the Villano side on the poster

CMLL (SUN) 05/08/2011 Arena Mexico
1) Astro Boy & Bengala vs Bobby Zavala & Zayco
2) Guerrero Maya Jr., Hombre Bala Jr., Sensei vs Mortiz, Rayo Tapatío I, Rayo Tapatío II
3) Metal Blanco, Metro, Palacio Negro vs Cancerbero, Raziel, Yoshihashi
4) Ángel de Oro, Diamante, Rush vs El Alebrije, Misterioso II, Olímpico [MEX TRIOS]
5) Black Warrior, Máximo, Strong Man vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

Dragon Lee seems to have been disappeared from the Gen2011 vs Rayo Tapatios feud for a while.

No Forjando un Idolo quarterfinals here. That must mean they’re doing the other half next Friday (05/13), and they’ll be doing the semifinal and finals on the same night (05/20.)

Alebrije, Misterioso, and Olimpico winning those trios titles would get CMLL to 15 champions (+ the lightweight title.) On the other hand, that is a bizarre trio and one I’d never expect to beat Angel de Oro, Diamante and Rush in any other situation. I don’t think they’re losing here.

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX #283 (04/23/2011)

taped @ Arena Coliseo, 04/17/2011

file: here
recap: here

Gen 11 vs Vets cibernetico: a brief ranking of the Gen2011 wrestlers

Comando Clutch

Hijo del Signo as a rudo (though not the biggest upside)
Hombre Bala Jr.
Bobby Zavala (least certain)
Dragon Lee
Hijo del Signo as a tecnico (so of course he’s one half the time)
Enrique Vera Jr.
Super Halcon Jr.

(Palacio Negro, Metal Blanco and everyone else you’re thinking of don’t count because the secret critera here is “Arkangel trainee.” Which may clue us in to who’s in charge of these matches.)

Super Halcon Jr. is so not ready for even openers. Magnus is ready for openers; makes a fine pair with Mortiz! Enrique Vera Jr. is ready for a promotion that doesn’t already have Rush because he’s basically the greener version. Dragon Lee is the most DTU wrestler in CMLL since Crazzy Boy. Hijo del Signo is the four year college basketball player, solidly fundamentally but no one believes he’ll carry a team. Bobby Zavala hasn’t been on my TV much. I genuinely believe there’s something in Hombre Bala that really may work out. Also, as interesting as this continues to be, I also genuinely believe that the absolutely last thing CMLL needed is seven more young wrestlers that they wanted to get over right away.

Delta, Toscano, Valiente vs Felino, Misterioso II, Shigeo Okumura: I watched this a week ago, it was fine, I do not recall it at all. Everyone did about what they usually do, Valietne was great.

Rey Escorpion wins (twice), DTU, lineups

photo by CMLL

CMLL (SUN) 05/01/2011 Arena Coliseo [Cesar, CMLL]
1) Bronco & Disturbio b Camaleón & Freesbe
Rudos took falls 1 and 3.
2) Guerrero Maya Jr., Hombre Bala Jr., Stuka Jr.Rayo Tapatío I, Rayo Tapatío II, Virus
Tecnicos took the last two falls.
3) Rey EscorpionPalacio Negro [Forjando un Idolo]
Palacio [3] did every crazy move he could think of – and ate a dropkick for the loss. Escorpion [6] finally wins clean, advances in second place.
4) Ángel de OroRey Cometa [Forjando un Idolo]
Angel de Oro finishes with 3 wins [9] and Rey Cometa [0] winless. The first place finishers – Oro, Delta, Diamante, Polvora – all end with perfect records. Cometa, Puma King and Angel de Plata all finished with zero points.
5) El Alebrije, Misterioso Jr., OlímpicoDiamante, Metro, Rush
Rudos took the last two falls, then made the expected title challenge for next week. Misterioso challenges Rush for a mask vs hair match. Keep dreaming.
6) Atlantis, Último Guerrero, Volador Jr.Black Warrior, Blue Panther, La Sombra
Rudos took one and three, Atlantis & Volador beating Sombra & Panther.


(photo by Black Terry Jr.)

Saturday’s Arena Lopez Mateos show, to help Rey Escorpion pay for an operation for his child saw Rey Escorpion, Ultimo Guerrero, and Atlantis beat Villano IV, Villano V and Scorpio Jr. Straight fall win for the Guerreros, Rey Escorpion wiping out Scorpio Jr. with a dive while his parnters took care of the Guerreros. Amo La Lucha Libre has video of this match. Black Terry Jr. has video of Navarro & Traumas vs Solar, Chucho el Roto, and Iron Love: fall 1, fall 2, fall 3.

DTU’s Kids Day show included lap dances, men on women violence, and other lunacy. DTU: Keeping It Real.

Forjando un Idolo

I enjoyed both of these. Seems like the Puebla matches aren’t airing. Just to rub it in, Porra Fresa says Delta vs Guerrero Maya Jr. was the best match he’s seen in the tournament.

05/01:  Davey Richards (O), Rocky Romero, Mascara Dorada b Prince Devitt, Ryusuke Taguchi (X), Jushin Liger
Next show is the 05/03 title match.

LuchaWorld has the last two Ras de Lonas.

SuperLuchas #411 has a spiffy new look. Inside is an interview with Hijo del Santo (in full Hijo del Santo, telling us he could’ve beaten Fishman or Villano III for their masks but he had too much respect for them to challenge them, fishing for someone to pay for a Hijo del Solitario mask match, explaining Super Astros set the stage for Sin Cara & Alberto del Rio)



IWRG (THU) 05/05/2011 Arena Naucalpan
1) Centurión & Rolling Boy vs Carta Brava Jr. & El Imposible
2) Eterno & Hijo del Pantera vs Alan Extreme & El Pollo Asesino
3) Multifacético, Negro Navarro, Trauma II vs Comando Negro, Fresero Jr., Pirata Morgan
4) Ray Mendoza Jr., Trauma I, Villano IV vs Hijo de Pirata Morgan, Silver King, Último Gladiador

Sort of rematch from last week in the main event.

IWRG (SUN) 05/08/2011 Arena Naucalpan
1) Dragon Fly vs Muerte Infernal
2) Miss Gaviota & Turbo vs ? & Alan Extreme
3) Dinamic Black, Eterno, Golden Magic vs Carta Brava Jr., Comando Negro, Imposible
4) Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Hijo del Pantera, Pantera vs Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro
5) El Mesías, Multifacético, Trauma I vs Barba Roja, Bombero Infernal, Pirata Morgan

Odds of that ? being Black Thunder: 99 to 99.999%

SuperLuchas says the next trainee show is 05/14. Scheduled to be a rematch with the Villano GYM, but they did run an angle with Gym Ham Lee last time.

CMLL (SUN) 05/08/2011 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Drago vs RáfagaMaleficoMr. Trueno [OCCIDENTE LH, #1]
2) Eléctrico, Shockercito, Último Dragoncito vs Demus 3:16, Pequeño Violencia, Pierrothito
3) Rey Cometa, Sagrado, Sangre Azteca vs Euforia, Pólvora, Vangelis
4) La Sombra, Máscara Dorada, Toscano vs Atlantis, Dragón Rojo Jr., Último Guerrero

That’s a match to challenge for Gallo’s title. Though I wonder what they’re going to do with Metal Blanco’s title if he’s not going to be around here (and probably isn’t losing to one who’s sticking around.) ACG Drago is not the AAA Drago.

CMLL (SAT) 05/21/2011 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Astral & Eléctrico vs Pequeño Warrior & Pierrothito
2) Puma King, Rayo Tapatío II, Tiger Kid vs Hijo del Signo, Mortiz, Semental
3) Ángel de Oro, Delta, Diamante vs Fuego, Metal Blanco, Palacio Negro
4) Metro, Sangre Azteca, Stuka Jr. vs Misterioso II, Pólvora, Vangelis
5) Rush, Sagrado, Toscano vs Rey Bucanero, Shigeo Okumura, Yoshihashi
6) Black Warrior, La Sombra, Super Porky vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
7) Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas vs Dragón Rojo Jr., Héctor Garza, Último Guerrero

This is (also?) a Rey Escorpion benefit show, though he doesn’t wrestle on this one. Really stacked lineup, should be a fun card.

04/30 AAA TV Results (Chilpancingo)

AAA TV (SAT) 04/30/2011 Plaza de Toros de Chilpancingo, Guerrero [AAAMi Lucha Libre]
1) Mascarita Divina, Mini Charly Manson, OctagoncitoMini Chessman, Mini Histeria, Mini Psicosis
Mascarita Divina pinned Mini Histeria
2) Aerostar, El Elegido, Laredo KidAlan Stone, Decnnis, Súper Fly
Aerostar shooting star press on Alan Stone.
3) Billy el Malo, Cibernético, EscoriaCuervo, Espíritu, Ozz
Escoria took the mystery spot. Black Family bled and lost on a powerbomb from Cibernetico on Ozz. After the match, Cibernetico pointed out he took out Parka’s troops and promised revenge for what Parka did to his motorcycle. (So that’s what Parka did at Cibernetico’s house.)
4) Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown DQ Damián 666, Halloween, X-Fly
X-Fly replaced Perro, who ran in with Bestia 666 for the DQ. Perro Jr. demanded a meeting with Dorian Roldan, angry about having to wait for an appointment.
5) El Mesías, Heavy Metal, Nicho el MillionarioChessman, Hijo del Lizmark, LA Park
Lizmark replaced Zorro, who claimed to be hurt. Once again, Park was about to beat Mesias when Zorro got involved. This time, it was Masked Zorro who ran in and caned Park. Park blamed Konnan, Konnan swore he had nothing to do with it. Sociedad is breaking apart.

2011 AAA TV Chart
Projected Air Date (#989)
Mexico: 05/15
US: 05/28

Mi Lucha Libre notes there were five bleeders on this show – Metal, Ozz, Cuervo, Espiritu, Damian – and AAA’s twitter said the Psycho Circus bled too. Also, rudos won 2 of the last 3 and are about to take the third when a rudo attacks a rudo. This was a Kid’s Day show. Eh. Mini Chessman & Laredo Kid were also mentioned as injured.

In an interview with Mi Lucha Libre, Zorro says he will be out 4-6 weeks with a leg injury. I have no idea if that’s a storyline or a legit injury, it’s getting hard to tell with Zorro. AAA’s live recap didn’t mention an injury. Zorro’s TNA deal is brought up here again – that I’m pretty sure is off (and has been since Hernandez got a different partner.)

One day after Perro said he’d definitely be wrestling on this show, Perro did not wrestle on this show. It’s almost like you can’t believe what that man says.

Next taping is 05/13 in Cuautitlan

Edit: I guess this is now fair game now that Dorian is tweeting about it, so might as well put it here: AAA is bringing in TNA guys for TripleMania. They’ll start appearing with the SLP taping. AAA’s done this in past years, and the result has been TNA (and outsiders) having decent->good matches and the fans (and especially the announcers) having no idea who these people are. Starting the involvement before TripleMania will definitely help, but if AAA’s so excited to turn unknowns into stars, maybe they need to work that magic on some guys they already have. The one guy who has definitely gotten over in the past is Jeff Jarrett, and I’d expect for him to be prominently involved. (This is also why it seems unlikely for TripleMania to have the LA Park/Zorro/Mesias match they’re building – got to get a TNA guy in there. Maybe a fourway?)

TNA is running in a Buffalo, NY minor league baseball stadium on the same night as TripleMania. Listed for that show are Hulk Hogan, AJ Styles, Abyss, Eric Young and Beer Money. Christopher Daniels may be available, but that means most of those in last year won’t be back this year. TNA airs on 52MX in Mexico; that’s pre-empted with other programming in the US.