CMLL (TUE) 04/12/2011 Arena Mexico [CMLL, Record (6), Record (2, 4)]
1) Astro Boy & Bengala b Disturbio & Zayco
2) Bobby Zavala, Bronco, Nitro b Metálico, Starman, Super Halcon Jr.
Super Halcon Jr.’s debut in this buildiing.
3) Palacio Negro b Rey Cometa [Forjando un Idolo]
Palacio Negro (3) won his opening match over Rey Cometa (0), but suffered a cut over his head after a dive.
4) Ángel de Oro DQ Escorpion [Forjando un Idolo]
Escorpion (0) lost by pulling Angel de Oro’s mask (3). Coach Ultimo Guerrero was annoyed by this. He and Escorpion argued, then shoved, then Guerrero slapped his pupil in the face. They eventually shook hands, but were not happy with each other.
5) Hijo del Fantasma, Sangre Azteca, Super Porky b Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
Porky sat on Averno for the win
6) Dragón Rojo Jr. & Último Guerrero b La Máscara & La Sombra [CMLL TAG]
Champions took the first fall, tecnicos take the second fall, stereo Guerrero Specials to keep the titles.
MrAlexisCMLL looks to be posting Forjando Un Idolo matches on his YouTube channel. First up are the matches from Puebla: Puma King vs Diamante & Hijo del Signo vs Hombre Bala Jr.
IWRG FIL (TUE) 04/12/2011 Arena Naucalpan [Mi Lucha Libre (1-4), Mi Lucha Libre (5), Black Terry Jr. (flickr)]
1) Mini Aero Cross, Mini Infierno, Mini Infierno Kid b Aurum, Mini Gatillero, Mini Sangre de Toro
2) Halcon 2000, Imperial, Volaris b Blue Monster, Guerrero 2000, Rolling Boy
straight falls
3) Dark Devil, Fly Infernal, Sky Angel b Dragon Celestial, Guizmo, Muerte Infernal
4) Alan Extreme, Black Terry, Dinamic Black DQ Bombero Infernal, Comando Negro, El Hijo del Diablo
Diablo fouled Black Terry for the DQ.
5) Centurión b Eterno, Black Lancer, Bizarro, Beta, Taurus, Tempalrio, Fresero Jr., Dragon Fly, Negro Casasola, Saruman, Maquina Infernal, Kortiz, Scanner [torneo FIL]
opposing students were from the Villano Gym, though Ojo de Tigre and his students tried to intercede and take the match for themselves. (They were asked to come back another time.) Not sure if I got everyone, but Centurion (IWRG) beat Negro Casasola (Villanos) in the end. Post match challenges set up Black Terry & Fresero Jr. vs Villano IV & a student (or maybe Villano V)
Main cage match of Arena Aficion Tuesday night ended in a double disqualification draw. Last two in were Hijo de Dr. Wagner and Hijo de LA Park, and one pulled the other’s mask while the other fouled, and that was the finish. If I was in the crowd and that’s what they did for a result, I’d never return.
Gronda is listed on a Kid’s Day show in Tijuana, with LA Park, Super Porky, and a Histeria which really could be II or III. Anyway, Gronda is wrestling again, though if he’s on that sort of show, this might not be the one in Pachuca.
LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update and the 2010 countdown from 20 to 10.
Links
- Mi Lucha Libre has lucha libre artists (though if they sell their figures online, maybe it would’ve been helpful to have a link?)
- Sombra, La Mascara and Brazo de Oro wrestled at a kid’s birthday party.
- Nosferatu spotted wrestling in Morelos, working in a trios with his dad. So he’s healthy but not in CMLL.
- Daga‘s goal for 2011 is to make it to AAA.
- Nikita watches Brazo de Plata/Maximo vs Terrible/Texano & Averno vs Mascara Dorada
Lineups
CMLL (TUE) 04/19/2011 Arena Mexico
1) Leono & Molotov vs Bronco & Inquisidor
2) Ángel Azteca Jr., Fuego, Metatrón vs Dr. X, Loco Max, Nitro
3) Diamante vs Hijo del Signo [Forjando un Idolo]
4) Hombre Bala Jr. vs Puma King [Forjando un Idolo]
5) Delta, Metal Blanco, Valiente vs Rey Bucanero, Terrible, Texano
6) Blue Panther, Rush, Super Porky vs Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
If Metal Blanco & Delta are in a match opposing the guys who main evented the last major show (Terrible & Texano) and the guy who main evented the last major show before that (Bucanero), then what is he getting out of this Forjando un Idolo tournament? They’re already treated like an Idol, there’s nothing they can win in this tournament (and there’s nothing they’ve actually mentioned you can win in this tournament.)
Weakest CMLL roster since the mid-1994? Discuss.
(Or if you prefer I can just rant about how important Mistico was and how his absence alone has exposed the lack of star power in CMLL.)
The roster I don’t think is weak they have a great mix of amazing bases,spectacular flyers,established vets, and promising rookies they just got to get them to where they need to be popularity wise so they can be draws.
One question but does anyone know the name of the rookie in the red Shaolin/Ninja get up in the pic from the IWRG student show you posted, looks really cool.
I agree with DGF, I do not think that the talent is thin at all. I Think the roster is ridiculously deep actually. The problem is that for too long they booked Mistico as the clear cut #1 star, and the other top guys were Wagner and Perrito, etc., and not other young talent. As a result, when those vets left, the young had to be elevated quickly. Now with Mistico gone, the youth movement looks like a hunt for another Mistico, rather than just reloading.
I think this is somewhat what Guerrero was talking about in that interview a few weeks back; he just kinda kayfabed what he meant. Rather than putting young guys in big frauds with seasoned vets to help shepherd them up the card, they are just putting them at the top of the card. We should have guys like Panther, Casas, Felino, Atlantis, Buccanero squaring off with Rojo, Dorada, Rush, Mascara, etc. The top matches should be the guys in their primes like Guerrero, Vernon, Sombra, Volador, Texano etc.
“frauds” should be “feuds”.
Damn you Android spellcheck!!!!!!!
Rosters deep. Its a lack of star power. Also, the placement of everyone on the card.
@Nikita: @DragonGateFan: Sorry guys but when Metal Blanco, Delta and Polvora are semi-main eventing Arena Mexico shows you cannot possibly say (or type) with a straight face that the roster isn’t thin.
If you want to say the roster is deep, I can give you that. Problem is it’s deep with undercarders and midcarders who are being put in position they don’t deserve and aren’t ready for b/c of the simple fact the promotion is so starved for top guys.
You can’t make new stars by throwing 30 of them at a wall and seeing who sticks. You have to focus on a few and hope it works out. The crowd is never going to be able to focus on 30 guys at the same time, especially when most if not all of them look exactly the same and have the same movesets. What’s the difference between Hombre Bala Jr. and Super Halcon Jr. aside from their name? How about Angel De Plata and Magnus? Or Polvora and Hijo Del Signo? Or Diamante and Delta? CMLL is not only trying to create clones of Mistico, they’re even cloning the clones at this point! It’s a formula destined to fail.
CMLL’s hardcore fanbase has always turned on wrestlers pushed too fast. The only reason Mistico didn’t fall victim to that was b/c when he took off he brought in an entire new generation of fans with him. When they started to disappear is when he began to get boo’ed by the hardcore CMLL fans that had stuck around and were now audible without half the building full of kids chanting Mistico’s name. All CMLL has right now is their hardcore audience and they are even trying to alienate them by shoving all these inexperienced guys who couldn’t even cut it on IWRG rookie shows down their throats. How is anyone supposed to take Metal Blanco seriously as a semi-main eventer against the main eventers from the H2L show when only 14 days beforehand he was teaming with METATRON in Guadalajara? The same Metatron who is in the second match. Not only are you ruining the fans taking Metal Blanco seriously, you are also destroying the rudos by having them wrestle on the same level as a guy who was working with the second match guys only a few days beforehand.
What’s the difference between Gen 11 and guys like Mortiz, Delta, Diamante, Guerrero Maya Jr., Puma King, Tiger Kid and Angel De Oro? Cubs said it himself when the Gen 11 vs CMLL feud started – he was shocked that Mortiz was representing CMLL. A guy that had been around less than a year! Something has obviously gone screwy internally in CMLL. My guess… and this is only a completely uneducated geuss… would be two of the bookers are not on good terms with each other and each have a different idea of who should be pushed. My guess is they both see this as their time to “rescue” CMLL and prove they can be the top guy by themself. My supporting evidence here is this tournament starting before the Gran Alternativa even ended. Clearly one guy booked the Gran Alternativa and someone else went behind his back to disagree with the booking so he was given the chance to book his own youngsters tournament.
I have no problem with the second half of what you said Nikita. I’m all for young guys working with vets. I even ranted on twitter about it and listed all the guys I’d keep seperate at the top of the card.
“Top guys should be: Sombra, Dorada, Mascara, Rush, Panther, Fantasma, Garza, Texano, Terrible, Atlantis, Guerrero, Bucanero, Volador, Casas, Averno, Mephisto and Warrior. Not including Dragon Rojo b/c he’s a classic case of an overpushed guy the fans don’t buy as a main eventer. Dragon Rojo would do good working a midcard feud with Sangre Azteca and Valiente. He needs a big feud to establish himself rather than just being a GdA lackey. He also needs to get much better as a wrestler. Even a feud vs Panther would help. Stick to the plan and in 12-18 months if you suddenly start a feud between some of the Gen 11 guys vs Texano/Terrible/Garza, it might mean something. Doing Dragon Lee/Rush/Angel De Oro vs Averno/Mephisto/Efesto in a month will mean nothing at all except ruining the future.”
I said it on the ByL board but I’ll say it here in English: CMLL is desperate to create a new star. The solution is not Dragon Lee, it’s not Magnus, not Escorpion nor Metal Blanco… the solution is time.
Goldvillano even had the line of the day on twitter as relates to the current CMLL tournament: “Los ídolos nacen, no se hacen!”
It’s a shame CMLL thinks they don’t have time to make stars. That’s WWE style thinking.
I still think it has some to do with overexposure. CMLL has what 5 shows air a week? That’s way too much.
@Tim: You mean TV shows? 9 TV shows. Televisa, C3, Fox, 52MX, LATV, Teleformula (GDL), TVCDeportes (Puebla), Ras de Lona, the other GDL show. It is one of the bigger issues and it also doesn’t help that only 3 of those shows are done right.
Yeah that’s a great point actually. A few years back we wouldn’t even be seeing any of these guys who aren’t ready yet. Just the top 3 or 4 from Arena Mexico on Fridays and nothing else. Now pretty much the only CMLL DF matches that never see the light of day are the Sunday openers and segundas (on weeks when they do 6 matches).
Five years ago, would you have thought we would see 2 matches in one night from a opener guy like Cholo or Bengala? While it’s good for guys like them or the Rayos who have been around for years to finally get tv exposure, it hurts the mid carders like Delta and Metal Blanco. Seeing Blanco in GDL messing up moves left and right hurts his profile when he’s booked on the semi main on the Tuesday show. Seeing Mascara Dorada’s 2 performances in ACM was really eye opening. I know he’s great and coasting in ACM is probably smart given that he’s most likely injured, Playing second fiddle to Silencio was just sad.
Poor guys like Ramstein, Sangre Azteca, Ricky Marvin and Sombra De Plata. Had the TV situation been like this in the early part of the 2000’s they’d have been stars. Azteca wouldn’t have to wait 10 years for his first push, people would have known Ramstein existed, Sombra De Plata could have gotten a midcard role and Ricky Marvin would have been a star before Mistico and given CMLL some variety on top of their card. It’s frustrating to think Marvin was never given a chance in CMLL but a guy like Rush with 0.1% of the talent and the exact same look was shoved to the top of the cards right away.