luchablog chat: El Cielo Y El Infierno

Cover It Live chat is here. Chat starts at 8:30, as does the show. Main event should be a couple hours later, and hopefully it’s a quick night.

I’m not doing another chat until the December shows, I swear.

UPDATE: Chat is bilingual! El chat está en Inglés y Español!

AAA on Televisa #959 (10/09/2010)

Centro Civico de Ecatepec, 09/19/2010


Cinthia Moreno & Esther Moreno vs Jennifer Blake & Sexy Star: Back to these three match shows and everything getting a heaping help of time. This might have been a good 6 minute match, this was an eh 11 minute match. It wasn’t bad, better than someone of the other women’s stuff of late. I thought we were being set up for the Morenos to turn ruda again (Esther’s character makes more sense that way), then foreigners did a post match attack, then they’re gone and it’s not being followed up. So whatever.

Silver Kain & Último Gladiador vs Joe Lider for the AAA World Tag Team Championship: speaking of too much time, maybe you shouldn’t book your handicap matches to go 9 minutes. Maybe you shouldn’t be doing a heavy injury angle right right after you just did another heavy injury angle. And maybe you shouldn’t show how little you take injury angles seriously by having someone return from the one last week and beat up four people. This was actually an OK match for the story they were telling, just not the right show for it. And it very barely set up FdT/Lider/Nicho.

It doesn’t matter as much, because it’s not PPV, but AAA really should have it’s own Event Center bit to run down the big matches on the upcoming major shows. CMLL goes over the matches that matter, but if all the matches on AAA major shows are supposed to matter, they need to spelled out before hand. They have the time.

El Mesías, Heavy Metal, La Parka Jr. vs Electroshock, Hernandez, Zorro: Different, but still with a whole bunch of people I’m not looking forward to seeing.

AAA in Guadlaajara, Charly/Casas, Viva La Lucha, Santo

AAA (THU) 10/14 La Glorieta Minerva, Guadalajara [AAA]
1) Fabi Apache, Octagoncito, Pimpinela Escarlata b Mini Psicosis, Polvo de Estrellas, Sexy Star
2) Aerostar, Argenis, Súper Fly b Cuervo, Escoria, Ozz
3) Dr. Wagner Jr., El Mesías, La Parka Jr. b Chessman, Hernandez, Zorro

Special show for the one year countdown until the Panamerican games in GDL. Mesias and the Air Force wore special masks for the occasion, and at least part of this aired on TVC Deportes.

Tonight’s card, repeated since it kept on changing:

CMLL (FRI) 10/15 Arena Mexico
1) Mascarita Dorada, Shockercito, Último Dragoncito vs Pequeño Olímpico, Pequeño Warrior, Pierrothito
2) Amapola, Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sujei vs Estrellita, Marcela, Tiffany
3) Valiente vs Dragón Rojo Jr. [lightning]
4) Blue Panther, Diamante, Metro vs Histeria, Mr. Águila, Ray Mendoza Jr.
5) La Máscara, La Sombra, Máscara Dorada vs El Alebrije, Olímpico, Psicosis
6) Negro Casas vs Charly Manson [hair]

(fourth match is fixed.)

It’s really a one match show. The theme is CMLL vs Invasors but none of the matches mean much but the main event. The second most meaningful match might be the lightning match; perhaps Dragon Rojo is getting a win to justify his membership in Guerreros, and maybe that sets up yet another title match for him.

The main event finish is a little bit of a puzzle, where neither side can really afford a loss.

If Charly loses his hair, the Invasors are done. The steam is out of the group already, but it’d two apuesta losses in six weeks (Olimpico losing his mask too.) If CMLL was fearful of selling a show around a Psicosis mask loss at Anniversary, it’d be impossible after another Invasor loss. The guys may stick around, but they wouldn’t be a top group any more.

As a character, Negro Casas is bullet proof. As a draw, it might be tough going if he loses another hair match. He’s sliding into the old man spot where everyone likes you but no one thinks you’re going to win the big matches anymore.You’re happy to see that person there, but I don’t if people are going out of their way to see him when they know they’re going to be depressed with the result. On the other hand, the likes of people Negro has beat in a hair match in the last eight years are Okumura, Nosawa, Masada and X-Fly, while losing to top guys like Mistico and Perro Aguayo, and he’s still Negro Casas, so maybe it doesn’t even matter.

My guess is Negro Casas gets an excuse, with Tirantes helping Charly again. I think the fans are generally tired and annoyed with that finish, but they’ll end up stretching out the Invasors feud to a team versus team match two months from now.

What do you think?

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I’m planning on holding a chat tonight for tonight’s Arena Mexico show. If no one shows up, I can continue my 200 match losing streak versus Espectro Jr., so good either way.

If you’re in the US and looking for lucha to watch, the newest Viva La Lucha PPV premiers tonight on InDemand. There’s a video preview on their site. This show has matches from the Lucha Libre Expo show.

Other previews: quotes from Panther & Charly, I forgot the link to the generic Notimex preview

AAA notes LA Park sure is being difficult with Dorian and Konnan lately. To be fair, he did open that bottle for Dorian on TV. You know, an easy way not to have to do La Parka vs LA Park feud anymore is for both of them to be tecnicos…

El Hijo del Santo and his lawyer went on a gossip show to talk about his issues with AAA. Words to live by: if you ever feel the need to bring a lawyer with you when you go on a TV show – DO NOT GO ON THE SHOW.  Anyway, you can tell by the link going to the AAA website that his went poorly for Santo. They have a minute by minute breakdown of Santo looking like an unprepared double talking fool. Santo repeatedly says he had no contract with AAA, they just did a verbal deal, so I can’t imagine his lawsuit is going anywhere. Hijo del Santo also says he’s just patented his own creations, which is not quite right.

Hijo del Santo was also at the opening of the new Santo exhibit at Leon, where he found time to say television and AAA were killing lucha libre, but but only he and his band of carefully selected professionals were keeping the sport alive by running shows in Europe. (When was the last time they ran in Europe, anyway? Or the next time?)

The new Slammin’ Stan is up.


  • I guess Mi Lucha Libre’s new (accidental) feature of Dropped AAA Storylines is going to be daily. Today, they talk about that time Zorro lost his hair but gained a mask to hype his hair match with Nicho.
  • Another Heroes del Ring: Charlas del Duende (a good first installment.)


CMLL (TUE) 10/19 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) El Divino vs Nube Roja
2) Samurai & Virgo vs Acertijo & Ángel del Mal
3) Metal Blanco & Palacio Negro vs Exterminador & Malefico
4) Ángel de Oro, Ángel de Plata, Fabián el Gitano vs Escorpion, Misterioso II, Semental
5) Blue Panther, Hijo del Fantasma, Máscara Dorada vs Averno, Mephisto, Shigeo Okumura

Semental gets to travel and makes TV. First match here this year.


Belatedly remembered the stuff from the WON and didn’t want to do a separate post.

  • The newsletter says Mistico did talk to AAA & Perros del Mal, after an earlier meeting with Paco Alonso. Alonso pointed out that three of his biggest stars in the last twenty years were Santo, Konnan, Vampiro, he catered to them, they left, and he’s still doing fine. (That’s HOF move right there.) Other sources still disagree that these meetings happened.

    It really doesn’t actually matter if Mistico met with them or not, except if you want to figure out who you should believe and when. (And the answer to that is: no one & never.) It seems pretty likely a message was passed and nothing came of it in the end.

    Whatever happened, Mistico wanted more money than AAA or the Perros were offering. Just like he said in his interview with SuperLuchas, Mistico would be willing to leave if he got a better deal elsewhere, but that’s probably been the case all along. Just, with slower times, the difference between what he’s making in CMLL and what other people are willing to give him has lessened. But no one expects any jump to happen any time.

  • Cheerleader Melissa is heading into AAA, taking Christina Von Eerie’s spot. If AAA’s reads this, and they don’t just close up the window after reading this, can you come up with a better gimmick for her? Do not mistake me, she’s an attractive woman, but very few of your fans are going to know who Melissa (or Mercedes) are before you bring them in, so give them masks and gear so they look like a team and they have something to lose when you get bored again and switch them out with another set of women.

Edit 2: this is why I just need to do small posts.

Extreme Tiger & Jack Evans won their first block match in the NOAH Junior Tag Team tournament, defeating Osaka Pro’s Atsushi Kotoge & Daisuke Harada and ruining at least one breakfast. Evans pinned Harada with the 630 splash.