CMLL Guadalajara on Teleformula #13 (09/18/2010)


taped Arena Coliseo Guadalajara, 08/24/2010

Angels/Rush vs Azteca/Japan was really ordinary, and the main event was really not interesting comedy. It’s not that entertaining to see Maximo & Porky do the same bits every week, trust me on this. This is a show that I wouldn’t be watching if it didn’t come to my TV for free (and I wasn’t this strange.)

CMLL Guerreros del Ring on 52MX #252 (09/18/2010)

taped 09/12 Arena Mexico

In opposite order for reasons which will be come obvious

Místico, Strong Man, Valiente vs Terrible, Texano Jr., Volador Jr. – Cesar accused Volador of being a Payaso during this match, and I disagree. The Payasos I know are either funny or undefeated and Volador was neither. This was all Volador refusing to fight Mistico (fair) and refusing to fight Strong Man (at all – completely derailing the match.) If there was a section of Volador being awesome with Valiente, that might have worked, but not this time. This was not very satisfying at all.

Dalys la Caribeña, Estrella Mágica, Star Fire vs La Seductora, Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sujei:

I remembering thinking this wasn’t as bad as I thought after watching it. Later, going back thru the report, I noticed how many times I caught a blown spot or something gone wrong, and I wasn’t even writing them all down. This was not historically bad, but this really wasn’t a match that was Arena Mexico level. New wrestlers, whoever they are, need to work in front of an audience to get better, but most of the guys are having these matches in smaller arenas and aren’t committed to tape. Wish this one wasn’t either.

The news that Estrellita is coming in wasn’t a surprise on Thursday, but that she’s coming in as a ruda in perplexing. It makes sense for the Invasors story, but it doesn’t work once you add her to matches. She never got a lot of consistent work while I’ve been watching AAA, but she always seemed an OK tecnica, and CMLL really could use some of those. If you split up the women’s roster between “women who can have good matches”, “women who will not mess up the good matches” and “women who need a lot more work”, it’d look like this:

this is how the match started
rudas                       tecnicas
Amapola                     Marcela
Princesa Sujei              (Lady Apache)
(Hiroka)                    Dark Angel
Tiffany ??
Princesa Blanca
Estrellita ??
La Comandante               (tumbleweeds)
Mima Shimoda
La Seductora
Seuxis                      Estrella Mágica (?)
Yezka                       Dalys la Caribeña
                            Goya Kong
                            Luna Mágica
                            Star Fire
                            ?? Silueta ??

There’s a drop between the top tier CMLL women and the Magica/Dalis group. It’s even bigger at the moment, because Lady Apache won’t be back until next year, and Dark Angel just missed a month and is probably going to be busy with TNA. CMLL really could’ve used a tecnica Estrellita – and a tecnica Tiffany! – to help lead the girls who aren’t ready thru this matches, but instead we’re getting more of a feud that sure seems to have peaked already. (Which is another reason 10/15 is too late, but this seems like an odd place for Charly Manson/Negro Casas commentary.) CMLL can’t even just turn someone else – La Comadante, Mima and Blanca are associated with rudo groups and it doesn’t make sense to split them up, and Seductora is probably not going to set anyone’s world on fire as a tecnica.

Any match that doesn’t have Marcela or Dark Angel in it will be bad, and they can’t be in every match. And even if one of them are, you’re still starting with two people who are going to be not ready for primetime, no matter who they’re facing. There was a point where CMLL had a consistent amount of good matches out of it’s women’s division, but that ain’t happening again any time soon.

One of the essential differences between the big two companies is AAA focuses on the big picture and forgets a lot of the details, and CMLL works more in the details while giving the main picture a push every so often and hoping the momentum carries it farther. When AAA has problems like too many people on the wrong side, it still needs to be fixed, but I expect them to have those problems. CMLL not thinking things thru is a bit more concerning.

GDL, Bracito de Oro, CMLL/NJPW, AAA/TNA


CMLL (TUE) 09/28 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Angelo & Thunder Boy b Acertijo & Templario
2) Ángel del Mal & In Memoriam b El Divino & Idolo
3) Black Metal & Leo b Drago & Ebola
4) Blue Panther, Máximo, Sagrado b Dragón Rojo Jr., Euforia, Último Guerrero
5) La Sombra b Mr. Águila

Main event was said to be very good. Sombra won clean.

Acertijo was hurt in the opener.

Gossip story of the day involves Bracito de Oro. The story varies slightly depending on where you read it, but it seems like there was a CMLL Anniversary party last night, a fight between luchadors broke out, Bracito de Oro was clocked in the head, bled a bit, and passed out on the street. Medical personal helped him, police were involved in breaking up the fight, and the story got out to a lot of people. No mention of any one else involved.

CMLL announced ticket prices for CMLL’s 10/15 Negro Casas vs Charly Manson hair match. They’re running from 30 pesos to 400 ($2.3 to $32), so not a lot of increase. The article says those to will only meet once more before their hair match, so maybe they won’t be on the card next week?

The article also mentions CMLL will be running a major show on 10/12 in Guadalajara. It’s a holiday, but I wonder who else is running in Guadalajara that day.

NJPW’s President Sugabayashi and Tiger Hattori are in Mexico thru Friday, to check out the shows and talk with CMLL and plans for 2011 (including the 01/04 dome show.) They say they’re happy with the luchadors who’ve come over to Japan, and want to give chances to more wrestlers, as well as send new people to Mexico.

In other talent exchanges, yesterday’s Wrestling Observer Newsletter reported on Jeff Jarrett’s meetings with AAA. Zorro was offered a TNA contact (which would probably allow him to continue working in AAA, just like Hernandez). TNA was interested in Jack Evans, Extreme Tiger and other high flyers. AAA was interested in bringing in the Motor City Machine Guns, who were previously in Mexico when TNA & CMLL had the deal.

The WON also said Extreme Tiger is being pushed because “he’s so over with the live crowd.” True?

Dos de Tres’s facebook announced their editor is the guy running Mi Lucha Libre. In case you were wondering why that site writes about AAA, IWRG, DTU, WWE and never CMLL. Actually, I feel better knowing that, because I was going to accuse them of working for AAA because they just seemed to put up AAA press releases, and then I realized it meant I’d have to suggest a half dozen other sites of doing the same thing.

Konnan’s Heroes del Ring bio is so great. Really hard not to quote it all.

But truth be told, the same people who hate Konnan also secretly admire his boldness and strength.

A master of chaos, Konnan specializes in the art of soulless humiliation in order magnify the destructive consequences of his powerful assaults.

Wow. Anyway, I preordered the game yesterday at GameStop and was told I do not get to select a mask before hand, but just get to pick from whatever they send. If I get stuck with the Elegido mask, I’m just not getting a mask.

LuchaWorld has KriZ’s news update.



CMLL (TUE) 10/05 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Tondar vs Titanio
2) Astaroth & Hierro vs Ángel del Mal & In Memoriam
3) Black Metal & Palacio Negro vs Exterminador & Malefico
4) Fabián el Gitano, Metro, Rush vs Shigeo Okumura, Vangelis, Yoshihashi
5) La Sombra, Místico, Rotoporky vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

Okay, that’s a GDL episode I should just skip out on recapping. (Unless I get the web feed recording to work.)

CMLL (TUE) 10/05 Arena Mexico
1) Freesbe & Principe vs Cholo & Semental
2) Astral, Pequeño Olímpico, Shockercito vs Pequeño Universo 2000, Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior
3) Fuego, Sagrado, Stuka Jr. vs Demus 3:16, Pólvora, Virus
4) Atlantis, Dragón Rojo Jr., Último Guerrero vs Héctor Garza, Mr. Águila, Olímpico
5) La Máscara vs Volador Jr. [MEX LH]

Olimpico’s already a rudo in Puebla, but still on the tecnico side here.

It really is like someone realized they ought to have been teaming Fuego & Stuka up once that tag team tournament was announced. They’ll probably team up much more after they lose the titles than they have in the last six months.

I believe Mascara vs Volador will be better than Mistico vs Volador.