07/25 AAA TV Lineup (Lucha Libre Expo)

AAA TV (SUN) 07/25 Centro Banamex
1) Mascarita Divina, Mini Charly Manson, Octagoncito vs Mini Abismo Negro, Mini Histeria, Mini Psicosis
2) Cinthia Moreno, Fabi Apache, Mari Apache vs Christina Von Eerie, Jennifer Blake, Sexy Star
3) Chris Stone, El Elegido, Relampago vs Cuervo, Escoria, Ozz
4) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Extreme Tiger vs Electroshock & Último Gladiador
5) Cibernético, Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown vs Alex Koslov, Hernandez, Konnan, Zorro

2010 AAA TV Chart
Projected Air Date (#948)
Mexico: 08/01
US: 08/14

This is about normal for one of the big two LLExpo shows – a lineup full of names but not necessarily moving anything forward. The problem here is this is the second to last taping until Verano de Escandalo, and you still can’t figure out the matches for that show. Vampiro is nowhere to be found, so either they’re building to his big title match by having him run/walk in to match, or he’s not in a big title match. I’m not sure!

Verano has played second fiddle to the Pena show the last couple years. It’s going to do it again this year, because they might actually figure out a plan sometime later.

Is this the time the Clowns lose? (No, probably not.)

Dr. Wagner is on the lineup, which means AAA must think he’s working the show. He probably will. Signing a contract is a different thing.

Chris Stone seemed to be in the process of turning rudo, and Relampago was a rudo for five seconds. Might be a long night for Elegido.

This is the same night as the Perros show, so there surely will be some crossover.

Oriental unmasked, killers sentenced

El Cuadrilatero En Accion
Oriental/El Cuadrilatero En Accion

The newly unmasked Oriental talked to the press after the match, while Wagner talked a bit, didn’t explain much.

María de Los Ángeles Sánchez Rueda and Estela González Calva, the two women found guilty of murdering La Parkita & Espectrito II last June, were sentenced to 47 years in jail. If they’re required to serve out the full term, it’s essentially life in prison for both.

Reynosa wrestler La Imagen, Jorge Cantu was killed by gunfire. He was 30. It sounds as if the Army was chasing drug dealers, and Imagen and two other people were caught in the middle.

The IWRG Heavyweight title match for the Lucha Libre Expo will actually be Silver King defending against Mascara Ano 2000 Jr., not Parka. Makes much more sense.

Gato Volador lost his hair to Red Flamer on Sunday.

Ovaciones hypes up the tag title match on Friday.

Silueta declared to Fuego en el Ring that she’d expose the fake Puerto Rician Seuxis on Sunday. A fake Puerto Rician in lucha libre? Crazy! I don’t have a good feel about who’s going to lose their mask, but I do find it unlikely that a new mom would work hard to get back into ring shape only to lose her mask a couple masks after returning. Also on Fuego, Mascara Dorada talks about his latest win.

DJ Spectro has a recent interview with El Halcon.

Perros del Mal mentions Perro Aguayo Jr. will be on the cover of a magazine that comes out in August. Better Housekeeping? (No. Dos de Tres.)

Amapola talks to ESTO about wrestling at the Lucha Libre expo and being part of the fashion show.

Rob looks back at his favorite Oriental & Histeria memories. They all seem to end in the early 2000s.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update. Kris will be on Rubber Guard Radio tomorrow.

Lineup

EAW (SAT) 07/17 Palenque de la Feria de Chilpancingo, Guerrero
1) Dinamita Kid & Silver Dragon vs Neurosis & Startron
2) Kung Fu Jr. & Turbo vs Cerebro Negro & Thunder Black
3) Chico Che, Pollito, Pollo vs Chamuel, Henry, Ku Kux Klan
4) Eriak DErico vs Leiva Jones, Caroline More
5) Gigante Extasis vs Shawn Spears
6) El Hijo de Rey Misterio & Máscara Púrpura vs Super Crazy & Zumbido
7) Hijo del Lizmark & Latin Lover vs el Fauno & Juventud Guerrera

It certainly is an EAW show. Fauno is a debuting guy. At least I found out where Zumbido is.

PdM (SUN) 07/25 Centro Banamex
1) Drastik Boy, Konami, Naruto vs Heddi Karaoui, Pesadilla, Ragde
2) Celestial & Cósmico vs Mr. Aguilita & Talisman
3) Annie Social & Diva Salvaje vs Medussa & Shelly Martinez
4) el Ángel, El Hijo de Rey Misterio, Hijo de LA Park vs Bestia 666, Black Warrior, TJP
5) Supreme vs X-Fly, Damián 666 [hardcore]
6) el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Halloween, Hijo del Lizmark vs El Hijo Del Santo, LA Park, Marco Corleone

Updated lineup via R de Rudo – this one makes more sense. We do get that Damian 666 vs Supreme match, and the foreign guys do make the card. Hijo de Rey Misterio doesn’t get his match, but he only challenged for it, the Perros didn’t actually accept.

What we know about Dr. Wagner’s status, at the moment

typing this knowing it may be irrelevant at any moment

Doctor Wagner Junior is without an AAA contract. He signed a one year deal in the run up to last year’s TripleMania and worked this year’s TripleMania without one. AAA put the AAA World Heavyweight title on him to keep him happy and get him to stay, and were under the belief he’d be signing a two year deal contact, and possibly an additional one to lose his mask.

AAA was unaware Wagner was showing up in Nuevo Laredo, finding out around the same time as everyone else. Dorian Roldan and Dos de Tres have noted the situation, but haven’t strongly reacted to it. (Dorian’s been overly magnanimous, congratulating Mistico and wishing Histeria luck for Sunday.) AAA hasn’t t buried Wagner or threatened punitive action and Dr. Wagner said he had no problem with AAA,  so he could easily end up merrily back in AAA.

Dr. Wagner Junior is not listed on any AAA spot show until the TV taping in Toluca on 07/29. AAA isn’t consistent or complete about putting out lineups, so that may not especially mean anything. Also, we’re still waiting on their Lucha Libre Expo TV taping lineup, which they’ve said will be out today.

It’s not clear how much a CMLL was a part of it; while this was a show with CMLL wrestlers, it was still one being run by the local promoter. I doubt the wrestlers would’ve let him walk out there without some understanding, but it’s not as meaningful or permanent as if the same bit was done in Arena Mexico. They might have let Wagner walk around just to prove a point in Nuevo Laredo, but he wouldn’t be allowed to do the same in Mexico City without a done deal.

The contract’s the issue. AAA’s probably going thru some issues, since we just heard about Rocky Romero leaving after the last set of taping due to a pay cut, and maybe that’s an issue with Wagner’s deal as well. However, CMLL hasn’t been handing out great deals either. About a month ago, the WON mentioned CMLL had major cutbacks in wrestler’s deals, taking everyone besides five (Mistico, Ultimo Guerrero, Shocker, Negro Casas, Hector Garza + outsiders) off guaranteed contracts and back to being paid via (low) percentage of the house. There are always different better deals available to top guys jumping from one company to another, but it’s not a profitable time to be a luchador.

There’s also the possibility of Dr. Wagner going back to the indies for some time, as he did between his last CMLL stint and this time in AAA. There’s much fewer options now than there were in the independents a year and a half ago – Los Perros are almost done, EAW is barely running shows, Monterrey is quiet, he may be locked out of Arena Naucalpan due to their deal with AAA – but Wagner coming off AAA TV with the title will have tons of promoter interest. It could be like what’s happened with Bryan Danielson’s schedule, but ten fold. Wagner would also be a great addition to the MTV2 Masked Warriors group. They already have all that AAA footage with him!

With the AAA video game not out for three months, Slang and AAA could certainly change the cover, and they had mock ups for alternate Parka/Elegido/Silver King covers at E3. If he left, Dr. Wagner would become the eleventh guy currently listed in AAA’s video game who has quit the company, one quarter of the video game roster.

07/10 lucha videos

LATV was a rerun. Noches de Coliseo is still off. AAA was the second part of TripleMania. In the best edit in years, they cut out Vampiro/Zorro vs Cibernetico/Abyss. A fine choice!

Links

07/12 CMLL in Nuevo Laredo Results (Oriental loses his mask to Mistico)

CMLL Gutierrez (MON) 07/12 Plaza de Toros Lauro Luis Longoria [@ENRIQUEYNIESTA]
1) Mini Alebrije, Mini Cibernetico, Mini Oriental b Astral, Mascarita Dorada, Shockercito
2) Lady Apache, Lluvia, Marcela DQ Rossy Moreno, Sexy Flor, Tiffany
3) Ephesto, Mephisto, Rey Bucanero DQ Charly Manson, Juventud Guerrera, Mr. Águila
4) Hijo de LA Park, Hijo del Dr. Wagner Jr., Scorpio Jr. DQ La Máscara, Máscara Dorada, Valiente
5) Héctor Garza, Terrible, Texano b Jushin Lyger, Shigeo Okumura, Yoshihashi
6) Místico & Oriental L Atlantis & Olímpico and Averno & Último Guerrero and El Alebrije & Volador Jr. and Histeria & La Sombra [ruleta de la muerte]
7) Místico b Oriental [mask]

Oriental is Noe Astro Moreno Leon, according to CMLL Magazine. (Astro?) He’s 37, 17 years a wrestler. No photo as I type this, but I’m sure we’ll see one later.

Order of escape went Sombra & Histeria (who’s now free to put his mask up on Sunday), Alebrije & Volador, Averno & Ultimo Guerrero, and Atlantis & Olimpico. Mistico beat Oriental in what seemed like a longer match than the entire eliminations prior.

The big news from the rest of the show was the appearance of Dr. Wagner Junior. It was hinted early this morning by SuperLuchas, and was revealed a few hours before the show by Box Y Lucha. He appeared after the fourth match, first posing with his son, then circling around in the ring, all while wearing his AAA World Heavyweight Championship belt (he also had the video game belt.) When he went to the ring and posed, everyone was under the impression this meant Wagner had left AAA and was joining CMLL as an Invader. Upon returning to the locker room, Dr. Wagner instead told the press that he was on good terms with AAA, and everyone backed off saying he was leaving.

People who are on good terms with a company do not show up at a major show for a rival promotion, being as visible as possible. (And CMLL isn’t going to let Wagner be part of the show unless they wanted him to be part of the show.) Wagner may end up staying with AAA, uninterrupted, but this was a very petulant move to make a point; AAA’s treated him as an afterthought to the Perros del Mal entry, the Parka/Park story, and the Legion stuff, and Wagner has always felt he should always be on top. That seems to be the wrestling he grew up with – in the UWA, Canek doesn’t seem to have ever been cycled down the card or bypassed much; he was either the top rudo feuding with the top tecnico, or the top tecnico feuding with the foreign guy. That’s spot doesn’t really exist in either promotion, but Wagner can sure come close by jumping back and forth between them like this.

This bit was also totally hilarious. For most of the night, AAA only response was an enigmatic tweet from Lucha Libre AAA, which is so unspecific, it may have nothing to do with any of this. Later, Dorian Roldan seemed surprised, generally the same reaction as everyone else, though his post gives the impression Wagner left.

Dr. Wagner is not listed on any lineups from now until the Toluca taping, though he’s almost surely scheduled to be on the Lucha Libre Expo show, and there’s probably other lineups AAA hasn’t put on it’s website. At the point, the expectation is he’ll still be working AAA shows, but it’s a fluid situation. We’ll know more soon. This would be a fantastic time for Cesar to come back from his blog vacation.

If we’ve been reminded of anything, anything at all, from La Parka vs LA Park, is that people remember what they saw in the ring and not what was said later. Tonight, Wagner made people believe he’s jumped to CMLL, and interviews aren’t going to undo that.

Not a lot of noteworthy material on the show. Tiffany was the mystery woman for the Invaders. At the time of the press conference, she was still working AAA spot shows, which is probably the reason they kept it quiet. Not sure if this means anything for her brother, ex-Night Queen Jessy, who’s also working AAA spot shows without making TV in years. Tiffany was a big part of AAA in the mid 2000s, but really hasn’t been used much since Pena’s death and since she left to have a kid. She was still good, last we saw her, and would fit in well in CMLL if that’s why she and they want to do.

The first four matches all did have non-clean finishes. Mini Cibernetico broke the law by removing Dorada’s mask before pinning him, but was not charged with the crime. No specific word on the DQ in the second match, but it probably was for one of the rudas pulling Lluvia’s mask. DQ in the tercera was for Ephesto taking off his own mask and tossing it. (Mephisto hurt a knee in this one.) DQ in the cuatro was for Scorpio (Solitario replacement) fouling and unmasking Mascara. Japan vs Renegados finished clean, we think.

Before the opener, Enrique pegged the crowd as 10,000, 80% of capacity. It’s possible it filled up a bit more as the show went on. The show was to be taped for television, but there were lots of pre-show issues – many guys only made it last minute, and the lights were late – so who knows.

Doctor Wagner Junior just walked out of AAA with their heavyweight title belt (edit: or not)

…shouldn’t Dr. Wagner Jr’s contract be up by now?…

Konnan says they’re trying to get Dr. Wagner to sign a contract to lose his mask..

Doctor Wagner Junior is the cover luchador for AAA Heroes en el Ring

@ENRIQUEYNIESTA

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THEY PUSHED MESIAS TO THE MOON AND THEY STILL CHEERED FOR HIM

HE CARRIED ELECTROSHOCK FOR FOUR MONTHS AND WAS STILL OVER

WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO NOW WITH DECENT PEOPLE TO WORK WITH!?!?!

HE HAD THE MATCH OF THE YEAR! BUT HE MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST MAN IN THE PROMOTION

HE MAY HAVE THE MATCH OF THE YEAR AGAIN! HE MAY MAIN EVENT BOTH OF THE BIGGEST SHOWS OF THE YEAR!

AAA IS LOSING THEIR MIND!

SOMEONE IS WAKING UP KONNAN

PACO ALONSO IS A HALL OF FAMER!

DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN

DO NOT MAKE SOMEONE HAVE A MATCH WITH VAMPIRO

ALL 1000 PEOPLE SHOWING UP TO TUESDAY SHOWS WILL GO CRAZY

AAA LOST THE ONLY BELT THEY CARE ABOUT!

CMLL HAS IT’S NINETEEN TITLE! MAYBE IT’S TWENTIETH! I DON’T KNOW!

HIJO DE DR. WAGNER HAS A CMLL JOB FOR LIFE!

WHO WILL HE CHALLENGE TO HAVE A MASK MATCH WITH?

WHO WILL HE NOT CHALLENGE TO HAVE A MASK MATCH WITH?

THE VIDEO GAME COVER! THIS IS WHY YOU PUT PARKA ON THE COVER!

WILL THE LAST ONE LEFT IN AAA PLEASE TURN OFF THE LIGHTS?

DOUBLE RAINBOW

DOUBLE RAINBOW!

edit: Wagner is telling people he’s on great terms with AAA. People on great terms with their promotion often fly out to appear on the opposition’s shows, don’t you know. This was a fun hour, anyway, it’ll be far more confusing in the morning.