Dos Leyendas/AAA in DF live coverage

Felino unmasked

The chat is over.. My guess is I’ll be up to 1am CST at least to cover it, though I don’t expect anyone else will. I’ll remove the link after the chat goes down.

Today’s cards



1) Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca b Ángel de Oro, Fuego, Stuka Jr.
2) Mephisto, Terrible, Texano Jr. b Hijo del Fantasma, Máscara Dorada, Valiente
Crowd is LOUDLY pro-rudo
Villanos appeared to honor Ray Mendoza

3)Blue Panther, Brazo de Plata, La Máscara DQ Negro Casas Okumura, Ray Mendoza Jr., Taichi
– no Negro Casas. Okumura replaced him. Straight fall win for the tecnicos. DQ for Taichi pulling Mascara’s mask.

4) Héctor Garza, Máximo, Mr. Niebla Negro Casas b Atlantis, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero
Negro Casas is here! For Mr. Niebla, who is who knows where. Maximo wins by beating Rey.

5) Volador Jr. & Místico b Felino & La Sombra (Sombra pinned by Misitco, Felino pinned by Volador)
6) Sombra b Felino via casita [mask]

Felino is Jorge Luis Casas Ruiz, 45 (46 on Monday.)



Before the first match, the Legion hit the ring. Bits included

  • the comedian from the press conference getting involved
  • Hermandad and NOAH guys having issues
  • Dorian and Konnan including their newest recruit Heavy Metal. Metal isn’t sure he wants to join, and has some issue with Zorro, so he’s got till the end of the night to decide.

3) Extreme Tiger, Jack Evans, Rocky Romero b Rió Bravo, Tigre Cota, Tito Santana – out of order! I dunno. Rocky beat Cota

1) Cinthia Moreno & Fabi Apache DQ Rain & Sexy Star – After Tirantes helped the rudas all match, Piero ran out to DQ them.

In Ring Bit: WagnerManiacos (Silver, Wagner, Electro – no UG or Pimpi) hit the ring. Wagner congratulates Electro on his win, asks for first shot. Electro says no and quits. They fight.

2) Cuervo, Escoria, Escoria b Aerostar, Laredo Kid, Súper Fly – Super Fly hit Aerostar early (by accident?) to give the Sect the edge. Super Fly wiped himself out on a dive late, needing medical attention. Cuervo got the pin on Laredo, maybe because they were being distracted by Super Fly being carted off.

Alex Koslov lost to clown Yurem. AAA got rid of goofballs for about a day. There was a foul and Pimpinela involved.

4) Taiji Ishimori & Takeshi Morishima b Joe Lider & Nicho el Millionario [AAA TAG] – NOAH guys are now considered part of the Legion, so now the Legion has these titles. Clean win. Konnan appears to explain this is payback for working for Roldan & AAA (by teaming with Pimpi.)

5) Cibernético, Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown b Alex Koslov, Hernandez, Kenzo Suzuki, Zorro
Konnan, with a Psycho Clown mask on, attacked referee Pepe Casas. Just as his brother is losing his mask across town, Heavy Metal appears, attacking Kenzo to help the Clowns win. He’s anti-Legion.

6) El Mesías, La Parka Jr., Octagón b Dr. Wagner Jr., Pimpinela Escarlata, Silver King
As expected, Pimpi is the new WagnerManiaco. Neither the rudos nor Parka like this idea. (Octagon could care less, I guess.)
Mesias pins Silver King. Post match, Sabu runs in and helps the Legion beat down the tecnicos, while LA Park jumps La Parka Jr.

Things we’re watching


  • @reformacancha on twitter is reporting on the show live, and updating every few minutes. It is great. I’m under the impression Reforma has good lucha coverage, but it’s behind a paywall (and I’m not sure I could even pay for it if I wanted, being out of the country and all.)
  • EstadioW will have radio coverage at some point.


more Dos Leyendas previews, Puebla & GDL lineups

AAA says they’ll start their coverage of the DF taping at 8:30 local (9:30 luchablog time) which usually means the coverage won’t actually get going until a half hour later. I will have another post up when coverage starts, but the more stuff I do now, the later I can sleep tomorrow.

Though I’m still not on AAA press list, LuchandoLibre has the AAA version of their press conference yesterday, and none of the CMLL comments are included (which is probably why it also didn’t show up in the other press.) I would’ve figured they said Felino was going to lose his mask specifically to get the press to pick up on it, but maybe AAA’s PR disagreed?

Today’s Wrestling Observer news update picked up on the idea that CMLL might change tonight’s finish because of Dorian’s comments. It’s possible, but they haven’t reacted to stuff that’s web only, and it doesn’t feel like it’s gone past that. Plus, Dorian saying Felino is going to lose is really no different from the press saying the same thing to Felino this week. This is not a new revelation and they’d be silly to change their plans. (Doesn’t mean they won’t.

Late Dos Leyendas previews:
Rob predictions.
Looking at our poll, about 90% of the voters think Felino will tonight, but there is no consesus about who will take it.

Maximo says it was great teaming with his father and uncle, and will battle Asesino Negro if he takes either of their hair.

A new promotion is starting in Chicago on 04/11, though their website actually says they have a show next weekend.


IWRG (SUN) 03/21 Arena Naucalpan
1) Daga & Héros vs Comando Negro & Eterno
2) Maldito Jr. & Samoth vs Trauma I & Trauma II
3) Chico Che, Freelance, Leopardo vs Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro
4) Bobby Lee Jr., La Roca, Ultramán Jr. vs Máscara Año 2000, Máscara Año 2000 Jr., Veneno
5) El Hijo del Diablo vs Dr. Cerebro [IWRG IC Light, WWF WELTER]

Main event is title vs title, and Dr. Cerebro is clearly getting the short end of the deal. Diablo is a former WWA Welterweight champion, but he won and lost that belt to Santo long ago. I have him picking up a “World Welterweight Championship” on June 15, 2006 – maybe that’s what this is? Maybe I’ve put too much thought into this already? Maybe the DF commission will be right on this in three weeks or so? Sure.

CMLL (MON) 03/22 Arena Puebla
1) Alarido, Ares, Barbaro I vs Asturiano, Milenium, SWAT
2) Hiroka, La Seductora, Princesa Blanca vs Goya Kong, Lady Apache, Marcela
3) Metro, Stuka Jr., Valiente vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca
4) Felino, Negro Casas, Taichi vs Brazo de Plata, La Sombra, Toscano
5) Místico vs Volador Jr.

This match is building off the finish last Monday, but obviously it’s interesting to have all four wrestlers from tonight in the building at the same time. Mistico is listed for Sunday’s Coliseo show, Volador is in GDL, and the other two are not billed until this show.

Dos Leyendas preview, Koslov

There’s no real need to do to a full preview of Dos Leyendas tonight. While it wouldn’t be too big of a surprise for a storyline to turn up in one of the other matches, there’s only the main event worth considering.

Everyone expect Felino to take the loss, with “Blue Panther vs Villano V” being the strongest reason why he might not. Felino being picked to lose isn’t about Felino; there’s no reason to believe this would be the end of his career, and it’s unlikely to even be the start of a ramping down towards it. Felino has actually been on the upswing in the last 9 months, since he really got into the Peste Negra angle, and he’ll probably continue being involved for years to come. I’d be surprised if Felino, who will turn 46 next Monday, wasn’t still wrestling five years from now.

If Felino’s losing, it’s because of his opposition. Rudo or tecnico, Mistico remains the straw that stirs CMLL’s drink. If Mistico lost his mask tonight, the mask reveal would actually be dwarfed by whatever events had led him to quit wrestling or at least quit CMLL, because those would be the only possible explanations.

CMLL could manage on with an unmasked Volador or Sombra. Felino’s mask is easily more valuable than either of them, but the future of CMLL (short term, at least) requires one of them to actually get a meaningful win. Previews of tonight’s show note that Volador has one some minor hair matches, and Sombra (under that name) has never actually won any hair or mask match. Together, they’ve won tag and trios titles, and individually have one weight division championships, but they’ve never had the career defining win. Volador’s singles wins over Mistico have been the closest, but both men need the kind of win that’s not easily forgotten about a month later.

CMLL’s strategy has been to not give out those big wins that often to keep them big (when they talk about Felino’s big wins, they have to go back to his mask win over Ciclon Ramiez from 17 years ago and his title match win over Santo), but this is the time to give one out. Part of the reason Averno has never become a really meaningful rudo is he’s never gotten that win; they may give him occasional wins over Mistico, but those victories are fleeting and the idea that he’s just the guy who lose to Mistico is what’s stuck in everyone’s mind. Volador (and Sombra) can quickly get slotted into the same spot unless he proves to the fans that he’s a real threat, and there’s no better way of doing than picking up a mask win here.

If it isn’t Felino losing tonight, Volador actually makes the most sense. There’s a history of an unmasked Volador, and maybe being the high flying tecnico who isn’t masked makes him a little different. Mistico makes no sense, and Sombra just as much – if he’s supposed to be the reincarnation of Oro right down to the mask, he’d have to be completely reinvented without it. Still, looking forward, the strongest match they have for the anniversary show is Volador vs Mistico, mask vs mask. CMLL’s invested the turn and the wins over Mistico in Volador, and you can’t easily recreate that with someone else.

If you’re looking for hope in Felino keeping the mask, you should be looking for an alternative Annviersary main event to start some place on the card. CMLL doesn’t need to even run an angle, but showing they have another plan frees them up from being Mistico/Volador. It would have to be two equally big masks on the line to work, and there are only a few possibilities for that.

As mentioned yesterday, we’ll be running a chat later tonight. I’ll have a post up before it to remind you, and to do some live results during the show.

Other CMLL Dos Leyendas previews: Ovaciones (says the show won’t be aired on TV – all of it?), MT, ESTO

Alex Koslov has his first edition of KoslovCam.

DJ Spectro looks back at Solar as el Mariachi, Ray Mendoza vs Colos Colosetti, and the Hermanos Corzo

Cronicas Y Leyendas has the second part of it’s interview with El Sinodal, as well as Negro Navarro’s troubles with tecnico fans in the late 70s, and AAA debuts of 1997