Sin Salida preview

A little busy, site down a little, so this is a little shorter than usual.

1) Rouge, Rey Cometa, Pegasso vs Loco Max, Skandalo, Hooligan

Just your normal segunda as an opener. Rey Cometa will try his dive and hopefully not die. Rouge will probably get to pin Loco Max. Everyone else will move on.

2) Mascarita Dorada vs Mini Damian 666

This should be superb. One of the disappointments of 2009 is CMLL hasn’t done nearly the amount of big minis matches as it was doing last year, but this still should be a nice treat. I’d guess Dorada wins because it’s shaping up to be that kind of show, but it could go either way

3) Brazo de Plata, Maximo, La Mascara vs Misterioso II, Negro Casas, Felino

La Mascara and Misterioso somehow got pulled into what will be an comedy match otherwise. Either it works and it’s amusing or it doesn’t work and it’s the worst match on the show, but I suspect this is not the last time CMLL does a Brazos/Peste Negra match any time soon. Might as well take the rudos in that case.

4) Strong Man, Mistico, Hector Garza vs Ultimo Guerrero, Atlantis, Mr. Niebla

This was being billed as the Last Time The Guerreros del Atlantida Would Team, which was never actually going to be true to begin with and seems even less so now. Strong Man took the personal loss last week, so he’s got to get the win back here unless they’ve already decide to part ways with him (and it is that time of year – may not be worth it to bring Strong Man in for the next couple months if they’re not going to be doing much), but there’s still no idea where they’re ultimately going with him. Doesn’t seem like CMLL has confidence enough in him to do the singles title match with UG, but there’s no other way out of this feud.

Mistico’s not losing on this big show anyway.

5) Volador Jr. & Sombra vs Mephisto & Ephesto [CMLL TAG]

This feels like a status quo match to showcase the tecnicos and keep them as champions. Mephisto & Ephesto aren’t a normal team, not that means CMLL won’t put the titles on them just to be random. I really just think this just fits in line with the other high profile defenses Volador & Sombra have had this year (Metal/Negro, Atlantis/Bucanero, plus Felino/Negro and Terrible/Texano in Puebla), where the tecnicos triumphs over names to try and establish themselves as top guys. Not sure this will get them there still, but it won’t hurt.

This also seems added just to add a really good match to the show. Even though it’s a new pair matchup on the rudo side, these sides have faced off roughly a thousand times in slightly better matches. This should be great, as lon as they’re not bored with it.

[poll id=”50″]

6) Texano Jr. & Terrible vs Naito & Yujiro [hair]

Reasons No Limit could actually win

– This isn’t the end of Mexico vs Japan
– CMLL makes weird decisions

That’s all I got. CMLL once had Terrible beat Cien Caras in a hair match, years before they actually decided to do anything with Terrible (though mostly because Mascara Ano 2000 and Perro Aguayo Jr. were also involved), and Terrible’s not even the high ranking member of his team. It would be amazing to see Texano and Terrible to take the loss here, but only amazing in how dumb that would be.

No idea on how this will turn out as a match.

[poll id=”51″]

Other previews: ESTO, Notimex

I plan to have some sort of live coverage tonight, though I’m not exactly sure what.

12/05-06 Lucha Times


I am baffled. Cadena3, CAN52, Galavision in the US will all be pre-empting their regular programming on Saturday (and Friday) to take part in the annual Teleton for developmentally disadvantaged children. Televisa is actually the company running the Teleton. Yet, Televisa Canal 9 (and 5) are listed with normal programming.

This presents a problem for both promotions:

AAA-MEX: no new footage available (next taping won’t be until later Sunday)

CMLL-MEX: new footage available, but they don’t want to show it (all big match shows have been held off air this year)

It sure seems like both promotions were expecting not to have to deal with putting on a television show this week, and I’d presume they were right if Televisa’s own listings weren’t disagreeing. If they do air, they’re going to air reruns of previous weeks most likely.

(Pause to note this is a really pointless weekend to start getting the extended latino channels.)

As for everything else

AAA-US: as mentioned, no show on Saturday afternoon, though the Sunday overnight and Sunday afternoon shows are scheduled. The standard in these situations has to air a rerun if they can’t air in the new spots, so expect to get last week’s episode again. Maybe someone can explain figure out why they showed Ultimo Gladiador working spots with his mask off this time?

CAN52: Not on Saturday, but will air as normal on Sunday. Blanco/Leono/Rivera vs Tiger/Puma/Inquisidor, plus Yellow Wave vs the yellow-ish trio of Dorada, Metro, Toscano.


CMLL-FOX: Cancerbros vs Oro/Fabian/Rouge, plus Panther/Mistico/Volador vs the Triad

AAA-LLP: first show from the last taping; guessing the near relevos AAA and the Wagner/Mesias match. Gotta split up the Wagner appearances.

CadenasTres: moved to noon on Sunday this week. It’s called Especial Lucha Libre CMLL, which could mean it’s not the usual Tuesday show.

Puebla: moved to 4pm this week. Looks to be a tough week to finish all four.

ACM: The mask matches, for sure. Wonder what they’ll do next week, when they have no Sunday taping to work off. Maybe it’ll just be all Tuesday.

Teleformula: STILL can not find a programming guide for this channel (this is the closest, not sure how accurate), so I have no idea if it’s being pre-empted as well. If not, this should be the Jack & Oficial 911 vs Freelance & Offical Fierro relevos suicidas show.

AYM Sports: says it’s airing something at 12:00 AM Friday/Saturday morning. Who knows.

Monterrey, IWRG mask match, Octagon

indy (TUE) 12/01 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [RFC]
1) Lover Boy & Sangre Negra b Infinito & Solovino
2) Aguila Extrema & Gato Fantasma b Bello Rubi & Gemelo Muerte I
3) Bengali, Difunto I, Difunto II b Furor, Lover Boy, Mongol Chino
4) Hijo del Ninja, Potro Jr., Silver Star b Pierko el Boricua, Sergio Romo Jr., Zumbido
5) Ángel Dorado & Koko Viper b Angel Night & Sky [Relevos Increíbles, hair, mask]

Angel Night lost his mask, no name. Sky lost his hair.

The big story of the day is the Bushi vs Oficial 911 mask match in IWRG tonight, which may tell you all you need to know about the day.

[poll id=”49″]

This is pretty close to a 50/50 deal. On the surface, it fits the same form of Rudo Home Team vs Evil Foreigners match CMLL is running tomorrow, but IWRG has often had it’s home team lose when it’s not expected (this may be why there are no stars in IWRG, but that’s another post.) People get masks to promote them in CMLL, and they get masks to lose them dramaticlly in IWRG. Plus, while I still figure Bushi will lose his mask before he goes back home, IWRG runs mask and hair matches more frequently than CMLL; he could have a chance to lose it next week for all we know.

In it’s preview of the match, SuperLuchas touches on the Cerebro Terrible’s title change to Poder Mexica, and says esperemos que regrese el convenio entre ambas empresas y que esta lucah pudiera ocurrir. It’s “expected” that CMLL and IWRG will resume their deal? This seems like news, but it’s passed off like I should’ve known this already.

The Gladiatores should have live coverage on their radio channel.

Octagon tells TelevisaDeportes that he’d like to be as big a legend as El Santo. It’s good to have dreams. To accomplish this, Octagon thinks he needs to be in more movies, but they can’t be movies like Santo was in because no one took them seriously. And yet, he’s still famous. Odd. Also, what serious movie is Octagon going to be in?

News of a Guerreros del Atlantida breakup is Atlantis. Maybe he and Ultimo Guerrero should talk, one of these days. Or maybe UG and CMLL should talk about what storylines they want to get out publicly. Atlantis figures he’ll be on top, as a tecnico or a rudo, so isn’t much worried about it.

Cesar has a recap of Tuesday’s Arena Mexico show.

All you need to know about Blue Demon in one quote: he tells Notimex he thinks he’s making progress in the US because he was ranked #6 in Pro Wrestling Illustrated, “higher than some WWE wrestlers.” Not saying people aren’t willing to buy into it. Also, Perro Jr.’s not getting a title shot at the NWA Heavyweight Title because he’s only a middleweight, but he’d take a mask vs hair match. Demon notes he doesn’t actually like his teammates (Groon, Demon) for the Perros Arena Neza anniversary show, but dislikes his opponents more.

LuchandoLibre says Arena Isabel de Cuernavaca has changed ownership and this month is the last month of shows before it’s torn down. This seems to be the second time this news has gone around this year (the first time was months ago), but maybe there was just a delay in changing ownership over. Not sure where/if CMLL will run monthly shows in Cuernavaca.

DJ Spectro reposts a Box Y Lucha article about the continuing Which Coco Rojo is the legal owner of the name? This’ll never be settled.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

Negro Casas & Texano retain their titles, updated IWRG lineup

CMLL (TUE) 12/01 Arena Mexico [Notimex]
1) Astral & Fantasy vs Pequeño Nitro & Pequeño Universo 2000
2) Dr. X, Durango Kid, Escorpion vs Guerrero Maya Jr., Sensei, Tigre Blanco
3) Arkangel de la Muerte, Bronco, Virus b Ángel Azteca Jr., Ángel de Oro, Ángel de Plata
4) Blue Panther, Toscano, Valiente DQ Averno, Dragon Rojo Jr., Mr. Niebla
5) Negro Casas b Máscara Dorada [CMLL WELTER]

Toscano and Escorpion were their cornerman for the main event. Names out of a hat! Negro took the first, Dorada the second, and Negro took the third clean to retain the title. Notimex’s recap says Dorada did not fly as much as usual, but the pictures make it look as though he got caught going for one too many.

Rudos lost the semifinals in straight falls, Averno unmasking Valiente and Toscano getting filed by someone in the second.

CMLL (TUE) 12/01 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Exterminador b El Divino
2) Angelo & Metatrón b In Memoria & Malefico
3) Acertijo, Asesino Negro, Drago b Astaroth, Hierro, Metal Blanco
4) Atlantis, Naito, Yujiro b Brazo de Plata, Máximo, Sagrado
5) Texano b Shocker [NWA LH]

If I thought to do a poll for this one, the question would not be about the winner, but whether Shocker would show up. Happily, he did. Shocker won the first, Texano the second. Texano faked a foul in the third, but the referee did not allow it (that’s going around), and Texano won with two backcrackers.

Imagine if Texano beat Shocker and Atlantis clean in singles matches in Arena Mexico. That would actually be elevating someone. But at least now he’s big in Guadalajara. Anyway, Texano says he no longer feels like he’s a rookie and he’s becoming a star, but he’s not 100% satisfied because he still has that big match on Friday.

Cronicas y Leyenda looks back at Ultraman 2000 in FMW and the Mongolian Mauler in Mexico, “one of the worst wrestlers to ever visit our arenas”.

La Journda has an article on a new book on lucha libre in Aguascalientes, except they don’t seem to say where you might get the book. Or the name of the book.

IWRG (SUN) 12/06 Arena Naucalpan
1) Angel de la Noche vs Keshin Black
2) Gemelo Fantastico I & Gemelo Fantastico II vs Anubis & Mixteco Jr.
3) Eragon, Exodia, Freelance vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro
4) Bushi, Suicida, Zatura vs Histeria, Psicosis, Tóxico
5) El Alebrije, Hijo del Lizmark, Super Porky vs Hijo del Cien Caras, Pirata Morgan, Veneno

Plenty of changes, most notable the Oficials being missing but Bushi still being on after the mask match. Make of that what you will. The poster has Suicida on both sides of the semifinal, but I assume Toxico is still meant to be on the rudo side.

Puebla, IWRG mask match on Thursday, France, restaurants

CMLL (MON) 11/30 Arena Puebla [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Crazy Black & Toro Bill Sr. b Milenium & SWAT
2) Blue Center & Pegasso b Fuerza Chicana & Policeman
3) Marcela b Lady Apache, Lluvia, Dalis la Caribeña, Estrella Mágica, Hiroka, Zeuxis, Princesa Blanca, La Nazi, Princesa Sujei [#1 Contenders, CMLL WOMEN]
4) Héctor Garza, Místico, Strong Man b Terrible, Texano Jr., Vangelis
5) Averno b Volador Jr. [NWA MIDDLE]

Averno took the first, Volador the second. Third fall sounds really full of counters, but Averno killed the rocketman with three straight Devil’s Wings.

Strong Man replaced Shocker, who’s been MIA two straight days.

Marcela beat Sujei to get the title shot. Dark Angel is said to have not been included here because she’s got the fitness contest here – but seeing as she beat Amapola last Friday in the lightning match and won the bodybuilding contest, shouldn’t she be owed a title shot already? Anyway, Amapola/Marcela is next week and will be great, and it’s a good thing Marcela won this because who knows when she might get another shot. (Wait for it.)

By the way, if the R de Rudo folks happen to be reading this – where do you want me to link the Puebla reports? Your site, or when Fuego reposts them? I like R de Rudo better because they have actual RSS feeds, but I’m flexible

ESTO previews tonight’s Arena Mexico show: Mascara Dorada vs Negro Casas for the Welterweight title, last Fan Appreciation show of the year. Seems like a sure bet for Negro to win to me, but maybe you feel different?

[poll id=”48″]

IWRG announced their bonus match for Thursday: Oficial 911 vs Bushi in a mask match! Bushi just won the IWRG lightweight title, which seemed like an indication he was staying a while. Seems not so much.

Esto says most of the CMLL wrestlers returned from France on Monday. For reasons unknown, the last (third) show on the tour was canceled, and Nitro and Sangre Azteca stayed behind to work a Mexico vs France match on 12/06.

In an interview with Fuego en el Ring, Ultimo Guerrero suggests the Guerreros del Atlantida may not be breaking up after all. (Quit playing games with my heart.) UG says the idea behind the break up comes from “exterior forces”, but there may be changes in the works. He has no problems teaming with Atlantis, and thinks the group might be able to get some momentum when Rey Bucanero, but they’ll figure it out from there and he’s not yet sure how this situation will be resolved. UG mentions “exterior forces” as the reason behind the break up, and says he has no plans to join the tecnicos. I read this as the programmers having no plans for the trio, and then plans being divised after UG mentioned in publicly and the story got a reaction.

R de Rudo interviews Okumura. What a year for that guy. This time last year, he was still dealing with a broken collarbone and *hoping to feud with Fabian el Gitano*. Okumura notes that he may have won the Gran Alternativa in a bad way, but since Yujiro didn’t want to team with any Mexicans, he had to help his friend out. They also have a audio via youtube interview with Perro Aguayo Jr.

Mesias talks to AAA about his trip to Puerto Rico. Mesias says he’ll be back in Mexico the day after the WWC show in Puerto Rico.

Croncias y Leyndas looks back at Octagon taking the mask of Huracan Ramirez, and Kamala in Mexico.

Not one (NYC Food Guy) but two (New York Mag) reviews of lucha themed restaurants in New York. Both of them – La Lucha and Cascabel – get positive reviews. On the other coast, it seems like I daily see happy twitter messages about enjoying the food at the Lucha Libre Taco Shop in San Diego.

DJ Spectro presents his national rankings for each divisions. I thought about doing something like this a long time ago (and wrote up the post for it once or twice, but can’t remember if actually posted it), but more like Boxing’s Ring Magazine rankings, where I’d recognize the true champ in each division and not list a champ if no one was worthy. Except it wasn’t amusing/informative to be useful and, more importantly, the weight divisions are compltely meaningless so why bother. DJ Spectro shows more heart than I, working top 10s in every division.

Segunda Caida has a road trip report on Queen’s Lucha Libre. Sounds like it was one Santo appearance from frustrating.

Box Y Lucha is doing a ticket give away to the Perros show in Arena Neza – you just must sing the Perros del Mal song when they call! Awesome.

CMLL (THU) 12/03 Gimnasio Marcelino Gonzalez de Zacatecas [El Sol de Zacatecas]
1) Marcela vs Amapola [CMLL WOMEN]
2) Hijo del Fantasma & Máximo vs Fantasma Jr. & Misterioso II
3) Héctor Garza, La Sombra, Místico vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

Oh. Well, two chances in a week for Marcela, maybe she might win one of them. (Likely not this one, but they can use it as a warmup.)

I’d guess Fantasma Jr. is supposed to be Dragon Rojo Jr.

indy (FRI) 12/18 Auditorio de Tijuana [Lider_TJ @ SML]
1) Fecha Roja & Psicomantis vs Pensaiento Negro II & Viento
2) Maquianelico & Tony Casanova vs Cardenal Jr. & Zaeta
3) Camaleon Negro, Cinico, Zarco vs Kennoe, Spark Jr., TG Power
4) Angel Metalico, Camaleon de Oro, Super Astro vs Angel Blanco Jr., Cien Caras Jr., Mortiz
5) Hijo de Rey Misterio vs TJ Xtreme [mask, hair]

No poll for that one.

a couple more thoughts about CMLL’s programming department

Cesar notes that, besides being an ex-parking attendant, CMLL programmer Edgar Noriega is also the new ref named El Guero. SuperLuchas adds he worked the last Europe tour and he’s Paco Alonso’s nephew.

A column in Zocalo says CMLL needs to go back to using older wrestlers to draw bigger houses. I don’t know about that (though I wouldn’t be surprised to see that tried in the next six months), but does remind me I need to change something I said yesterday.

The crew feels like they’ve elevated by Valiente (maybe), Mascara Dorada (sure), Dragon Rojo (yes), Sangre Azteca (yes), Misterioso (maybe)

On second thought: Yes, let’s say they did elevate all those guys – but from low midcarders who don’t really draw to high midcarders who don’t really draw. CMLL doesn’t need to shuffle the midcard, they need more stars, and CMLL did not really stars based on 2009. Doing the same things with the Angels and Delta and other second match guys won’t really help either. They need new top guys – new people who are actually on top, as opposed to wrestling in the main event of Tuesday shows 1/8th of the audience will see. Some one of those guys (Dragon, Dorada?) may get there based on their success this year, but if CMLL really thinks they’ve accomplished the mission on these guys and they don’t need to do any more, they’re lost. (It’s not totally clear that they DO believe this, but that’s the impression.)

The point of programming, at least as I understand it, is to get people to buy tickets, and only the hardest of the hardcore are buying tickets to see Misterioso at this point. *I* actually have bought tickets to see Misterioso, but they need to do a lot more work convincing people who are 1/10th more casual than I.

I guess the bigger question is – why wasn’t Texano Jr. on that list? Assuming he wins Friday, he’s as close as they’ve got to being a new star.