11/17-23 CMLL Lineups

CMLL (TUE) 11/17 Arena Mexico
1) Apolo Estrada Jr. & Corazón de Barrio vs Camorra & Zayco
2) Astro Boy, Delta, Trueno vs Bronco, Calígula, Méssala
3) Fabián el Gitano, Flash, Rouge vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Hooligan, Pólvora
4) Máximo, Metro, Toscano vs Euforia, Nosferatu, Vangelis
5) Atlantis, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero vs Blue Panther, Máscara Dorada, Shocker

More Negro/Dorada. On Tuesday’s lineup, they spell his name “Rush.” On Sunday’s, it’s Rouge. Maybe there are two! I’m scared.

CMLL (FRI) 11/20 Arena Mexico
1) Guerrero Maya Jr. & Metálico vs Disturbio & Semental
2) Ángel Azteca Jr., Ángel de Oro, Ángel de Plata vs Puma King, Skándalo, Tiger Kid
3) Euforia vs Máscara Dorada [lightning]
4) Blue Panther, La Sombra, Volador Jr. vs Ephesto, Mephisto, Virus
5) Naito, Shigeo Okumura, Yujiro vs Terrible, Texano Jr., Vangelis
6) Místico, Shocker, Strong Man vs Averno, Felino, Negro Casas

Vangelis? With two Hijos de Avernos in the semimain and one in the main? Have they forgot Terrible & Texano are in the group? Possibly!

I think I just suggested Vangelis in the main event. Maybe I need to rethink this. Anyway, remember how they had to give Okumura the Gran Alternativa to justify him being in the semimains with No Limit – does this mean that didn’t work and Vangelis is on his level, or it didn’t have to happen since they can just book anyone in meaningless extra man in feud positions.

(At some point, I promise to you I will get over Okumura winning the Gran Alternativa. It just might take until the next one.)

There are good matches, but is there anything else going on here? Not so much. Judging from the comment on the news page, they may be wanting to get Mistico some Friday wins to make up for losing the IWGP title. You know what might work? Doing the Leyenda de Plata tournament.

CMLL (SUN) 11/22 Arena Mexico
1) Rayo Tapatío I & Rayo Tapatío II vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Mima Shimoda, Yezca, Zeuxis vs Dark Angel, Estrella Mágica, Star Fire
3) Dr. X, Hooligan, Loco Max vs Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Starman
4) Máscara Dorada, Máximo, Rouge vs Euforia, Pólvora, Virus
5) Blue Panther, Héctor Garza, Místico vs Atlantis, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

Toughest match for Dark Angel – this one with 4 novatas, the one where she had 2 rudas on her team and was facing 3 rudas (what happened to the Zorras, anyway?), or any match with the Beautiful People?

No Brazo de Plata and Strong Man this week. They’re only two feuds away from being done for the year.

11/13 Arena Mexico results (No Limit vs Terrible/Texano?), links

CMLL (FRI) 11/13 Arena Mexico [SuperLuchas, Cesar, ESTO]
1) Escorpion & René Guajardo Jr. b Bengala & Súper Camaleón
2) Estrella Mágica, Lady Apache, Lluvia b Amapola, Mima Shimoda, Yezca
3) Ángel de Oro b Arkangel de la Muerte [lightning]
4) Ephesto, Mephisto, Virus b La Máscara, La Sombra, Máximo
5) Shigeo Okumura, Tetsuya Naito, Yujiro b Averno, Terrible, Texano Jr.
6) Héctor Garza, Místico, Strong Man b Atlantis, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero

Clean tecnico win in the main event. Mistico got Ultimo Guerrero with La Mistica.

Ola Amarillo took the semimain in straight falls. Okumura got the pin on Averno in the first, Yujiro fouled Texano and got away with it for one pin in the seond fall, and Terrible got fouled and rolled by Naito while complaining about it. This led to Texano & Terrible challenging No Limit for a hair match, which sure sounds like the last major main event of the year. No date was put to it here, but figure it happening the first or second Friday on December.

Mima Shimoda fell to Lluvia in the women’s match for the deciding pinfall. On her blog, Mima says she’s got to visit the dentist after getting hurt in that match.

Nothing much of note elsewhere. Cesar says all the matches were good.

Hans Greeman has a collection of 20 full & partial 2001-2003 lucha libre posters, as an illustration of deisgn. For our purposes, it has a couple interesting lineups – do we have the wrong date for Brazo de Platino‘s mask loss?

Box Y Lucha looks back at Dizzy Gardenia Davis.

Cronicas y Leyendas writes about La Guerrilleras and Ultraman 2000.

No lineups.

Mexico Preview, Perros del Mal, AAA movie (but not that one), IWRG tournament, Vampiro

Preview of tonight’s Arena Mexico show: ESTO, Notimex, SuperLuchas.

Not a lot new; more Ultimo Guerrero vs Strong Man, more Hijo de Avernos/No Limit. There should be something new coming out of it – either one or both of those feuds should probably announce a date for their big matches.

Perros del Mal is back on TV. Sort of. They’ve announced on their facebook that they’ll be airing at different times in different cities; I assume this is just a second half of hour of the previous taping.

The list

Veracruz Canal 5: Saturday, 18:20
Monterrey Canal 34: Saturday, 17:30
Guadalajara Canal 4: Saturday, 18:00
Puebla Canal 3: Saturday (?), 18:20

No mention of Mexico City. They all seem to be regional Televisa stations. It’ll be neat for the people who get to see it, but I can’t believe it’ll have any affect on their business. (Website STILL not updated.) Oh well.

Will AAA’s plans reinvigorate the concept of lucha libre films? There’s talk in this article of putitng AAA stars in real movies, saying people don’t want to see luchadors face vampires or monsters, but social issues. Isn’t the big bad guy in the anime a giant evil robot, and most of the characters spend the movie traveling thru time? Shouldn’t someone have done the slightest bit of research to see WWE hasn’t made money from it’s film division? What is clear is, sometime a couple years ago, someone in AAA made a checklist of everything WWE tries, and is just crossing things off.

Anyway, the goal is to produce a new movie by the end of 2010. Adjusting that for AAA standards, that probably means mid of 2011. There’s absolutely no mention of the movie they’re currently working on and advertising, which is very odd.

IWRG will be running a torneo El Pirata Moreno sometime next month.

La Columnaria Blog has a story on Vampiro’s appearance on V3 television. Vampiro talked about his life, like having to wrestle 37 matches in one week at his peak. The recap goes straight from cutting off his braids to joining the Guardian Angels, so it must’ve been a short one.

The Color + Design Blog has color themes based on lucha libre.

La Parka Jr. visited a Make a Wish kid. AAA will be doing autograph signings

Ohtani’s Jacket enjoys the high quality and quantity of mat work in Blue Panther vs Atlantis from the Cops Victoria final in 1997.

LuchaWorld has the newest Slammin’ Stan Episode 19. I’m a little behind on listening, but I can not believe Kurt Brown has not heard the William Shatner album. I don’t know if Kurt would totally hate it or totally love it, but he would definitely have strong feelings about it.

AAA (FRI) 11/13 Centro Deportivo y de Convenciones, Minatitlan, Veracruz [Diario de Listmo]
1) Fabi Apache & Sexy Star vs Goddess & Tiffany
2) Jack Evans & Marco Corleone vs Electroshock & Teddy Hart
3) El Mesías & La Parka Jr. vs Cibernético & Silver King

Article about AAA with a CMLL picture – drink!

CMLL (MON) 11/16 Arena Puebla
1) Mr. Rafaga & Siki Ozama Jr. vs Black Tiger & Centella de Oro
2) Escorpion, Espiritu Maligno, Karisma vs Delta, Sensei, Trueno
3) Euforia, Pólvora, Virus vs Leono, Pegasso, Rey Cometa
4) Máscara Dorada, Shocker, Toscano vs Naito, Shigeo Okumura, Yujiro
5) Místico, Strong Man, Volador Jr. vs Averno, Terrible, Texano Jr.

Okumura’s first match after triumphantly beating Maximo. (Or losing to Maximo, maybe.)

CMLL (FRI) 11/20 Arena Neza [Mr. Reyes]
1) Brazo de Platino, Super Brazo, Turbo vs Black Killer, Black Thunder, Demonio Negro
2) Mascarita Dorada & Pequeño Olímpico vs Pequeño Damian 666 & Pequeño Warrior
3) Dark Angel & Lady Apache vs Amapola & Princesa Sujei
4) Felino, Negro Casas, Texano Jr. vs La Máscara, Místico, Volador Jr.

Interesting not only that they’re running here (which they flirt with every so often), but that they’re running a Friday night show here. Going to be busy night for some people.

thoughts on Konnan on F4D

(interview was subscription only @ f4online. go sign up.)

There really wasn’t a lot of news – some confirmation of what we’ve heard elsewhere (though often that’s because it was previously Konnan’s words coming out of other’s mouths) – just a lot of Konnan’s thoughts about things. It really wasn’t the MMA/Boxing discussion I thought – no pick for anything on Saturday!

Konnan also didn’t seem plugged into with the day by day for AAA; obviously he goes to tapings, he probably watches the TV, and he definitely has influence on the stylistic direction of the promotion, but there were bits where someone who’s more intimately involved with AAA might know stuff Konnan wasn’t sure of or had wrong. Konnan (and Bryan) were unsure if the Lucha Libre Premier show on Fox was airing in the US (it’s not), talked about all the shows having one match of minis, one match of women, one match of hardcore, one match of something else (may be the ideal, but doesn’t usually happen that way.)

There’s just three points of what he said I thought worth making

– Either’s a misunderstanding, a disconnect, a strawman argument being used, but I don’t think most people actually have a problem with AAA trying to be WWE like. They’ve been trying to be WWE like for over a decade, it’s really not a big change.

What people are actually complaining about is AAA coming off a like a third-rate WWE knockoff. There’s too much trying to repeat angles seen on TV elsewhere three years ago, except done half as well, because they’re not executed as well, or they’re forgotten about halfway thru (are Nicho & Lider still taking jobs?), or they’re completely missing the context that made them work in the first place (DX was a heel stable, people only started cheering them because they were so good at it.)

Why watch a third rate WWE when the actual one airs? People have been very clear on voting with their remotes on that one. It’s not even like a third rate WWE is an innovate idea. They have in the US too, they call it TNA, they also air “shoot” vignettes that turn out to be fake, and they also get about 40% of the audience who watches WWE. You’ve got to be something new, something different, nothing just something else.

There’s also the whole confusing thing about the new writers and Moody Jack taking over Creative from Doain. They might have different people at the wheel, but if you ignored the production, any episode I’ve seen this month could’ve aired any other time this year, or maybe in the last couple, whenever else Konnan and Roldan were feuding. There’s the same bad pacing, there’s same characters turned and dropped without an attempt an explanation (all that TV time on Gato/Pimpi and it just stops after the date), there’s the same guys in the spots. You could point to little touches, like the clocked being lifted from 24 for one episode, but the show’s laid out the same as it always was.

– There’s a lot of circular and specious reasoning that one could have fun with, if arguing with Konnan about near irrelevant things is what you wanted to accomplish with your life. Like

Konnan, while talking on a show solely listened to by people who read/write stuff about wrestling, noted early on how irrelevant the opinions of fans who go read/write stuff about wrestling on the internet. Later, he hyped the hipness and plugged-in news of the new AAA writers by mentioning how they’re all about the internet.

Konnan justified the amount of foreigners in AAA by saying they’re all over, and proved this by talking about how each guy was over. Either he got lost on his way to his point, or he just didn’t have one to say, and it was goofy.

– I hope, when the history of lucha libre gets written for all us who are too dumb to be fluent in Spanish, it’s not all based on Konnan’s view of history. Over the course of his appearances, Konnan’s description role in the formative years of AAA has seemed to grow. No one’s denying he had a big part in it, but it seems to get a little bigger every appearance, not too dissimilar from Hulk Hogan’s stories of WrestleMania III. This time, we heard the previously untold story of how Antonio Pena actually got cold feet about leaving CMLL and was going to go back, only Konnan and Octagon told him they were going to form a promotion without him, and Pena decided to with them after all.

That story may be true – a lot of smart people seem to trust what Konnan says, and they’d definitely know better than I. Still, a lot of the stuff he says sets off every BS alarm in my head. It may be entertaining, but that doens’t mean I believe him without someone else verifying. (And then there’s stuff I couldn’t find myself believing even it could be verified – the bit where he said he’d never used drugs before WCW was a reminder that wrestlers define “drugs” a whole lot different than the average person.)

Konnan may well have been the Forrest Gump of the last twenty years of lucha libre, running into one generational importance moment into another and having big impact along the way, but I wouldn’t have believed Gump’s story on it’s own either. I need a second viewpoint…but since Konnan is the only one who talks to the likes of pointless people on the internet, it may be all we have.

(Not to mention – Konnan knows a lot about the life of Konnan. Konnan may know/care little about what happened in Lucha Libre from the day WCW stopped Promo Azteca to the day he came back. Wasn’t at all surprised he didn’t know who Path Finder – he quite likely never actually seen Path Finder. Still, very funny.)

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I posted over on F4 that I found the show entertaining, because it was. I wasn’t alone on that, but I’m thinking I may have been one of the few who found entertaining in a DDP-sort of fashion than the gospel.

Konnan would like everyone who hasn’t watched AAA in a while to give another shot. Let me know how that goes.

Mexico, GDL, Culican, links

FELINO XXX!/CMLL
FELINO XXX/CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 11/10 Arena Mexico [CMLL]
1) Apocalipsis & Ramstein b Principe & Trueno
2) Diamante, Leono, Tony Rivera b Bronco, Dr. X, René Guajardo Jr.
3) Flash, Rouge, Stuka Jr. b Loco Max, Nitro, Skándalo
4) Sagrado, Toscano, Valiente b Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Sangre Azteca
5) Héctor Garza, Máscara Dorada, Shocker b Atlantis, Felino, Negro Casas

Dorada got Negro again, which sets up a Welterweight title match next week. Dorada will be carbo-loading all week to bulk up from Super Lightweight. I’m thinking some good pasta meals, maybe steak and potatoes, ice cream – got get on those 10 extra pounds from making weight on Sunday at Super Lightweight to making weight here at Welterweight. Or does Dorada just walk around at Welterweight and drop down to Super Light? Can Fuego or someone ask for me? That’d be great.

CMLL recap oddly mistakes Skandalo for Shocker. Who should be offended there? There’s also pictures on the news page of wrestler at the opening of Rosalio Vera’s photo exhibition, and Shocker looks 300 years old for some reason. You fill in the reason here.

CMLL (TUE) 11/10 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Thunder Boy & Virgo b Katana & Titanio
2) Acertijo & Ebola b Metatrón & Nube Roja
3) Drago & Mr. Trueno b Astaroth & Hierro
4) Metal Blanco, Metro, Palacio Negro b Ángel del Mal, Arkangel de la Muerte, Rey Trueno
5) Blue Panther, Brazo de Plata, Máximo b Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

Billed as the first team up of Porky & Maximo since Porky’s been back. Nothing storyline wise.

AAA GLOBAL (SUN) 11/08 Parque Revolucion de Culican [Noroeste]
1) Monster Truck, Muralla Negra, Vampiro Infernal b Kempo Dragon, Psiclope, Relampago
2) Aerostar & Fabi Apache b Billy Boy & Sexy Star
3) Extreme Tiger b Joe Lider [AAA CRUISER]
4) Cibernético & El Elegido DQ Chessman & Zorro

Ciberentico turned on Elegido. So I guess he’s still a rudo?

LuchandoLibre posts more pictures of “Alebrije” helping building houses and is pretty sure it’s a new one.

Reforma via WagnerMania has an interview with Dr. Wagner, who complains the new place is too late the old place: they won’t let him take the Parka’s mask, management doesn’t promote him enough, blah blah blah.

AAA talks to Rocky Romero about his ROH trip. It’s Alex, Rocky, Teddy and Jack going. Rocky says he wants a singles match with Alex on the New York show, and that they’ll only be in the US for a few days before coming back.

El Mexicano has an interview with Blue Demon Jr., talking about his career and wrestling being ruined by television.

The Gladiatores have video interviews with Chico Che and Gringo Loco about last week’s hair match.

Record posts an interview with Jushin Liger, presumably from their magazine. Liger calls Mexico his second home and declares he’ll take the title back from Misico (so, this is clearly a while ago.)

A Masked Repbulic press release on SuperLuchas says they’ve hired Konnan, and will create Konnan shirts and gear. I’m sure they’ll be very popular in the comment section of this site.

Cronicas y Leyendas has part 3 of a series on Rey Misterio Jr.

R de Rudo has a bio of Halloween.

Kcidis posts a video of Santo and others in action from the movie “Santo y el Aguila Real”.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

AAA CANTU (MON) 11/16 Arena Cuatro Camino de Nuevo Laredo [RFC]
1) Angeluz & Super Boy vs Crazy Warrior & Mini Rio Bravo
2) Mari Apache & Street Boy vs Black Mamba & Tiffany
3) Babe Rap, Estrella Universal, Hombre Sin Miedo vs Joe Bravo, Tigre Cota, Tito Santana
4) Alan Stone, Joe Lider, Máscara Púrpura vs Monster Clown, Murder Clown, Psycho Clown

Mascara Purpura has been working around here for a while, but this placement adds to the rumor of him joining this promotion. Welcome to AAA, now lose to the Psycho Circus! What an odd trio.

Joe Bravo is either a typo or they’ve decided to just change Rio Bravo II’s name to something else. Something else weird, but something else.

11/14-15 Lucha Times

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AAA-US: Try 2 – Marco/Chessman, Psycho Circus actually on TV, and Hermandad vs Air Force.

52MX: Tuareg vs Flash/Horus/Metro, plus Panther/Maximo/Valiente vs No Limit/Sangre Azteca

CMLL: just 90 minutes, so just top 3. Strong Man back against UG, Avernos vs Japan.

AAA-MEX: WagnerManiacs vs Mesias & Friends, Zorro reunited with the Legion, Mantra’s debut.

CMLL-FOX: This week, 2:30 pm on Saturdays. Looks to have the Armed Forces/Escorpion vs Diamante/Maya/Starman, plus Porky vs Avernos

AAA-FOX: Last week is a new episode, so this probably is a repeat, with the mixed tag and Wagner/Jack vs Alex/Teddy

C3: usual top 4, with Dorada vs Negro in trios.

Puebla: TVC Deportes doesn’t have the time for this show up yet. A match with Horus (getting hurt every time) and Fabian seems like an easy way to drop.

Monterrey: KONNAN VS KONNAN