Infierno en el Ring Discussion (Live Results?)

Feel free to comment about the show in the comments. Not bothering with cover it live – we’ll see if WordPress can handle the traffic! I’ll be updating here, maybe in the comments, maybe on twitter, maybe still distracted by this 2-2 game. Edit: Spoke too soon.

As of 9, radio was still doing soccer coverage. May be a while.

Pachuca won 3-1 over Queretaro. Now you know.

There’s no way we’re getting results for the opener. I notice SuperLuchas isn’t bothering with live results! This will allow me to catch up on the all important Alexa rankings. (Do you think they’d do live results for X-LAW?)

9:26: Are they on? As soon as they get the introductions done, yes

9:34: Semimain is on. Or at least introductions are on. No idea on the first two matches.

3) La Sombra, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Ultimo Guerrero
Fall 1: tecnicos
Fall 2: tecncios – rudos Mistica on UG, rudos yank Mistico’s mask. Thought it was a DQ, but apparently not? They’re still wrestling, you see. Or hear. Whatever.

Fall 2: rudos – Mistica on UG, but UG tosses his mask off to draw the DQ.
Fall 3: tecnicos by DQ, Mistico doing the mask yank fake.

Plenty of time to set up that cage.

Atlantis chats with the announcers. I’m going to go make some popcorn.

10:00 Entrances going on for the main event…

4) Shocker vs Hector Garza, Toscano, Negro Casas, Black Warrior, Terrible, Texano Jr., Naito, Yujiro, Shigeo Okumura, Blue Panther, Maximo, Ray Mendoza Jr., Heavy Metal, Mictlan [cage, hair]


1) Mictlan
2) Heavy Metal – dived out of the cage onto Mictlan
3) Blue Panther
4) Okumura
5) Terrible
6) Maximo
7) Shocker
8) Texano
?) Ray Mendoza Jr.
?) Negro Casas
– Garza and Warrior both do dives instead of leaving.
11) Hector Garza
12) Black Warrior (!)
13) Yujiro

Final is Toscano vs Naito. For real. Crowd is about as thrilled as you’d expect.

Naito beats Toscano with a Tiger Suplex. I swear, the call was like “uno, dos…tres?” If you’re going to have the final two be THAT final two, that’s actually the right finish.


1) Flash, Metalico, Stuka Jr. vs Euforia, Skandalo, Virus
2) Hijo del Fantasma, La Mascara, Sagrado vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

EstadioW feed: mms://

Infierno en el Ring preview

What better way to start a preview then with a review:

previous CMLL major shows
03/20/09: Ultimo Guerrero beats Villano V
(there is no 12/08 major show)
09/19/08: Villano V beats Blue Panther
06/13/08: Heavy Metal loses to Perro Jr. in 10 man cage match
05/23/08: Toscano b Heavy Metal & Perro Jr. in a hair
03/21/08: Perro Jr. beats Hector Garza’s hair

It’s been 14 months since the last strongly build CMLL main event. It’ll be a couple more, at least, before the next one. I’ve spent enough time on why this match is boring, why this show is boring, and don’t feel like I’ve got anything new or special left to say about it. If CMLL can draw a great crowd with this match and this build, great for them, bad for the rest of us. This show should not be encouraged or endorsed.

The upside to the main event cage match is there’s no certain winner. The down side is there’s plenty of people who could lose, without it meaning much the next day. As usual, I’ll try to separate this out into groups, but the difference between the groups are slighter than ever.

Odds on the losers:

Would be really dumb to lose
– Negro Casas – strong shot to get the win as momentum
– Shocker – would be a total waste
– Hector Garza – Puebla injury sets up a nice near loss storyline
– Blue Panther – would be the most anti-climatic loss of his career, if not for the whole mask thing
– Mictlan – what point there is to having him would be gone

Long shots
– Terrible – ought to lose his hair somewhat more meaningful the first time
– Texano Jr. – why waste the really good elevation by knocking him back down in a meaningless way?

Maybe, but Maybe Later
– Toscano – would they risk him actually showing up?
– Maximo – already lost his hair once this year
– Ray Mendoza Jr. – still too soon
– Naito
– Yujiro – supposed to be around for a few more months, might as well save it

Strong chance
– Black Warrior – quite clearly has grown his hair out the last few months, much longer than usual. Maybe too obvious?
– Shigeo Okumura – however, the lowest guy on totem pole is usually one of the first few guys out
– Heavy Metal – lost this match last year, which maybe is the only reason he doesn’t lose it this year

Winners are tougher to figure. Shocker, Garza, Mictlan, Texano, Terrible and Negro all seem like guys who get credited with the win, and everyone else might be the first one out, I guess.

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Predictions & Previews:

Luchando Libre
SuperLuchas – nicely detailed
Estadio Deportes

Plan is to do have a post up for live coverage and comments tonight, probably sometime 9ish.

IWRG results, Garza, Delta, La Parkita/Espectrito

indy (SAT) 07/25 Centro Banamex, DF
1) Mascarita de Oro & Mascarita de Plata b Mini Cibernetico & Mini Scorpio
2) La Chola & Rossy Moreno b Esther Moreno & Flor Metalica
3) Acuarius, Gringo Loco, Robin b Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro, Espiritu (local?)
4) Juventud Guerrera & Zumbido b Histeria & Scorpio Jr.
5) Mascara Ano 2000, Mascara Ano 2000 Jr., Universo 2000 DQ Dr. Wagner Jr., Intocable, Olimpico

Just posting the underdcard to note Chicago’s Gringo Loco working the underdcard. And winning!

IWRG (SUN) 07/26 Arena Naucalpan [the gladiatores]
1) Keshin Black b Alan Extreme
2) Eragon & Exodia b Blasfemia & Carta Brava Jr.
3) Chico Che, Pendulo, Rigo b Bushi, Cerebro Negro, Fantasma de la Opera
4) Trauma II b Avisman [IWRG IC LIGHT]
5) Ricky Cruz, Scorpio Jr., Trauma I b Hijo de Mascara Ano 2000, Toxico DF, Veneno

Cruz got Veneno in the main.

Title match was split 1-1, into the third, when the match was paused after Trauma took a bad fall on to a shoulder. The doctor checked on him, and gave him the OK to keep fighting. Avisman went after the shoulder, and the doctor paused the match to check on Trauma again. This time, the doctor was going to stop the match, but Trauma insisted on fighting on. Good call, because he ended up pulling out a submission for the win. Bushi decided he’d like to play fair with the tecnicos in the tercera, which annoyed his partners greatly and caused them to lose the match. Alan Extreme debuted, lost in straight falls.

SuperLuchas has video of Hector Garza talking about his interview on Tercera Caida.

RFC says the yet-to-debut CMLL wrestler Delta is Hijo del Trueno. Shh, don’t tell CMLL we know.

This article wonders if Mistico, Atlantis, Averno and Mephisto might be in the AAA video game. I’m going to go with “no”.

At a press conference for a show tomorrow, a La Parkita claimed he was the original, has paperwork proven he owns the character, had been wrestling as that character for 20 years, the one who died was the fourth version, and AAA & Televisa conspire to replace wrestlers and steal their characters. 20 years ago would be 1989, which is 3 years before La Parka debuted. This article also includes (a) Huracan Ramirez and Pierroth II agreeing that independent wrestlers are more powerful than CMLL and AAA. It’s one of those articles. I am totally with them on the whole ONE NAME, ONE PERSON deal, but I’m thinking these aren’t the guys who are getting it done.

LuchandoLibre looks at Cibernetico added to the Verano de Escandalo match.

Ohtani’s Jacket says there’s better Dos Caras than his match versus Enqirue Vera in ’84.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news updates from Wednesday and Thursday. Did I mention the AAA movie is coming out 10/09? I feel like this isn’t new news but I can’t remember now. LuchaWorld also has Robert’s recaps of AAA 06/01/08 and CMLL 06/14/08, plus Alfredo & Kurt on Slammin’ Stan #7.

CMLL (MON) 08/03 Arena Puebla [CMLL]
1) SWAT & Tigre Rojo vs Ares & Siki Osama
2) Astro Boy, Centella de Oro, Metalico vs Caligula, Espiritu Maligno, Messala
3) Asturiano, Mascarita Dorada, Pequeño Olímpico vs Pequeño Universo 2000, Pierrothito, Sauron
4) Hijo del Fantasma, Mascara Dorada, Valiente vs Black Warrior, Dragon Rojo Jr., Sangre Azteca
5) La Mascara, Mistico, Volador Jr. vs Averno, Terrible, Texano Jr.

This looks really good. I like how Valiente appears to be stalking Sangre Azteca until he gets his title shot. This needs to be a vignette: Sangre working out at the gym, and Valiente’s there, asking for a title shot. Sangre walking in the park, whistling a happy tune, until Valiente pops (flips) up, asking for a title shot. Sangre enjoys a nice breakfast in the morning, reads the paper, puts the paper down to grab a slice of toast, and there’s Valiente, in full gear, demanding a title shot.

CMLL (WED) 08/05 Domo de la Feria de Leon []
1) Mistico vs Negro Casas [CMLL WELTER]

CMLL #928 (06/13)

taped 06/12. Things take a while (especially when good video games show up.)

Parts: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

Really neat to see the quicky Blue Panther submission in the first fall of the opener…until I remembered this was one of the tournament shows, and there were going to plenty of quick falls on the night. It’s a nice bit for occasions (the mat expert should actually benefit from being the mat wrestling, or it’s kinda pointless) but maybe an occasion where it had a bit more impact?

The tournament was a lot better at picking it’s spots. Only the Mephisto/Hector Garza match felt like they were wasting time. Everything else was pretty packed. For CMLL tournaments going 3 minutes, anyway, which keeps it from feeling all that great.

Dos Caras Jr. was horrible as a rudo in CMLL, and not much better as a tecnico. As lucha libre fan, I am so happy to have dodged that bullet (at least for now) with Dos going to WWE and not making every match he’s in worse. Dos was clearly more interested in getting Dos over at the expense of having a decent match, and it doesn’t sound like it was going to change -if you think it’s a good sign that you’re getting cheers as a rudo, you’ve looking at things a lot different than me.

Tuesday Guadalajara results, notes

CMLL (TUE) 07/28 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara [Fuego en el Ring]
1) Milenio & Skaxy b Hierro & Novato
2) Idolo & Metal Blanco b Acertijo & Malefico
3) Casanova & Gallo DQ Asesino Negro & Satanico
4) Mictlan & Sagrado b Misterioso II & Shigeo Okumura
5) Blue Panther & Toscano b Naito & Yujiro

Panther replaced Hector. Rudos were heading to a win in the tercera when Leon Blanco attacked Gallo. Satanico did not appreciate the win being taken away from him, and they set up a Casanova, Gallo, Leon Blanco, and Satanico super libre match (four way? tag? dunno) for next week.

SuperLuchas points to a Televisa Deportes with Mistico. He does NOT complain about CMLL, this time.

Ovaciones profiles Maximo leading into the cage match. Things mentioned here not usually mentioned: his brother being on of the Psycho Circus, Maximo being married to India Sioux.

Fuego en el Ring has an interview with Hijo del Fantasma. He’s rooting for the tecnicos and the Mexicans in Infierno en el Ring, but would like to face one of No Limit in a mask/hair match if they’re not bald after Friday.

DTU reposts a video from their Lucha Libre Expo show.

08/01-02 Lucha Times

box. LATV’s twitter said no more CMLL 1-hour hour. Ras de Lona will continue.

AAA-US: Charly/Wagner/Jack vs Chessman/Silver/Teddy. Last 2h30m show for the time being.

52MX: Women’s Trios, and Poder Mexica. I think CMLL’s doing a Princesa Blanca/Lluvia title feud, but I’m scared of contemplating such things.

CMLL: As noted in the comments, only a half hour show. Guessing they’re show the Mistico match and not the cage match.

AAA-MEX: battle royal for THE title shot (for a while, anyway.) Not sure what they’re cutting here, if anything, because everyone but the Clowns builds something up for Verano de Escandalo, and they’re probably not cutting out Wagner and Marco.

FSE: Segunda from Friday, main event from Sunday – Pesta Negra vs Sombra/Mistico/Toscano

C3: Amapola/Marcela and other lesser matches. (Good ones, though. Show of the week for sure.)

Puebla: Not sure what they’re dropping here, because it’s a solid lineup. Obviously, title match in the main event.

Puebla (UG retains, Garza hurt), Mexico (Amapola retains)

CMLL (MON) 07/27 Arena Puebla [Estrellas del Ring, Ovaciones, [Betabelmx @ box y lucha]
1) Fuerza Chicana, Policeman, Toro Bill Jr. b Black Tiger, Blue Center, Tigre Rojo
2) Asturiano, Mini Fantasy, Ultimo Dragoncito b Mr. Rafaga, Pequeño Warrior, Pierrothito
3) Dr. X, Skandalo, Virus b Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Stuka Jr.
4) Blue Panther, Shocker, Toscano DQ Felino, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Ultimo Guerrero CO Hector Garza [CMLL HEAVY]

Garza took the first, UG the second, and Garza crashed and burned on a dive in the third. Garza never returned to the ring, and was taken to the back with a leg injury. CMLL hasn’t posted anything about his status for Friday, so I presume he’s going to be ok.

CMLL (TUE) 07/28 Arena Mexico [ESTO, Record]
2) Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior b Bam Bam, Bracito de Oro, Pequeno Olimpico
3) Metro, Pegasso, Rey Cometa b Arkangel de la Muerte, Loco Max, Vangelis
4) Amapola b Marcela [CMLL WOMEN]
5) Dragon Rojo Jr., Hijo del Lizmark, Sangre Azteca b La Mascara, Mascara Dorada, Valiente
6) La Sombra, Shocker, Volador Jr. DQ Felino, Heavy Metal, Mr. Niebla

Metal fouled Shocker in the main event. Amapola retained the title clean. Damian’s side won in straight falls.

Highlight of this Dr. Wagner Jr. interview: calling Cibernetico “a spoiled child who thinks he can come and go when he wants.” Doctor Wagner is an incredible person.

Cesar says upcoming CMLL debuts are Rouge (who has turned up outside of DF) and Delta (who has not, masked), and mentions both are part of lucha libre families. He also wonders who’ll take the dive off the top of the cage Friday. There’s not a typical high flyer in the bunch.

Ovaciones has his an interview with Villano V.

DTU has photos of it’s lucha libre expo show

Box Y Lucha has a video interview with Jaque Mate

CMLL (WED) 07/29 Arena Xalapa [Diario Xalapa]
1) Mascarita Dorada & Shockercito vs Pequeño Damian 666 & Pequeño Warrior
2) Lady Apache, Lluvia, Marcela vs Amapola, Hiroka, Mima Shimoda
3) Blue Panther, Shocker, Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, Naito, Yujiro
4) Mistico vs Negro Casas

Reads like a non-title match.

Super X (SAT) 08/15 Deprotivo el Recreo [DJ Spectro]
1) Dick Angelo, Jago, Negra Sexy vs Cazador, Oculto, Salvaje
2) Veneno vs Ricky Cruz
3) Psicosis & Zumbido vs Mascara Ano 2000 & Negro Navarro
4) El Alebrije & Fuerza Guerrera vs Solar I & Super Astro
5) Super Porky vs Head Hunter I
6) Angelico vs Juventud Guerrera, Black Dragon [COPA XL]

The winners of all the matches meet in a battle royal at the end to be “#1 contender of the GPWC Monster World Champion.” Last we cared, the guy who held that belt was Mesias. Probably not getting that match. Juvi hypes the promotion to el Manana, talking about the first show being in September, among other things.

last bit of the LLExpo, AAA taping schedule for the rest of the month

Previews of tonight’s card: LuchandoLibre, ESTO, Ovaciones.

And here’s a poll:

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More LuchaLibreExpo
– LuchandoLibre on CMLL & Wagner, DTU & Perros and AAA.
– DJ Spectro pictures 1, 2, 3, DTU, Perros,
– WagnerMania on Day 2 and Day 3

Look like AAA is taping 08/07 (Zacapuaxtla), 08/17 (Tehuacan), 08/21 (Madero, Verano de Escandalo), and 08/30 (Tlanepantla).

Kcidis draws Texano & Shocker.

Cesar looks at who did and did not make the Infierno en el Ring card.

Estrellas del Ring has an interview with Acapulco wrestler Dr. Aereo

New details of the AAA video game: they’re 70% done, price will be $60 and rated T.

Ras de Lona has an interview with Plata, among other stuff. Enjoy the Oro footage you really didn’t want to see. Yes, that footage. Maybe I’m different, but I’d rather see footage of Oro being an awesome wrestler so those who didn’t and haven’t seen much of him (myself included) could better appreciate what we missed out on. There was much more to his life than his death, same as true with anyone.

Luchas 2000 #480 has Metalicos, Hijo del Fantasma, and Wagner & Mesias,

WrestlingObserver has their AAA recap

LuchaWorld has Robert on IWRG 10/27/08, CMLL TV 06/07/08 and KrisZ’s news update

AAA #892 (07/04)

taped 06/07

This was OK until the nonsensical booking of the main event. The whole show long story of inept referees building to a special referee for TripleMania didn’t feel pushed as strong as it read, but then maybe the announcers made the difference.

La Parkita, Mascarita Divina, Octagoncito © vs Mini Abismo Negro ©, Mini Histeria, Mini Psicosis – really good! Parkita’s comedy is refreshing when we see it once a year, so I had no problem with him. Octagoncito was really good as usual, and everyone else held their part. I should know better, about two months later, that this whole Guapito angle isn’t actually going anywhere subtly and I should stop trying to figure out meanings; if they’re going somewhere with it, they’ll hammer me with it (and then show it again in the news section.)

Aerostar, Fabi Apache, Gato Eveready vs Billy Boy, Sexy Star, Tigre Cota – usual good match, but kinda fell apart at the end because someone forgot the finish. Or was that playing into the storyline? If I have to ask, it probably wasn’t a good idea.

Crazy Boy, Laredo Kid, Ultimo Gladiador vs Killer Clown, Psycho Clown, Zombie Clown – the match itself is nothing new, but this particular finish kinda worked better on TV than in did in the descriptions. The interview before the match set it up well. The Clowns are sick of not having equal competition, so they took out their frustration on the tecnicos, almost to their determent. Though, even as lame as this streak has been, ending it on a DQ for excessive violence would’ve taken it to a new level.

Jack Evans, La Parka Jr. ©, Octagon vs Electro Shock ©, Kenzo Suzuki, Teddy Hart – angle.

Mesias & Silver King vs Dr. Wagner Jr. & Konnan – angle, but one where they didn’t even bother having a finish, and had people not in the match fighting people they were presumably allied with. A true AAA mess.