El Universal writes about CMLL’s women’s wrestlers, noting that they have yet to main event any wrestling card. Semi-amusing aspects:
* this article is illustrated by pictures of the valets
* Paco says CMLL has “10 or 12 women” (and over 150 men.) I could understand not knowing off the top of your head, but you think they could find out the exact number of women in CMLL for an article on the women in CMLL. FWIW, Amapola, Dark Angel, Goddess (still around), Hiroka, India Sioux, La Nazi (quoted in this article, but hasn’t been around), Lady Apache, Marcela, Medussa, Mima Shimoda, Princesa Blanca, Princesa Sujei, Rosa Negra and Sahori is 14, though Rosa is MIA and I’m not sure if I’m supposed to count the new ones.
* the reason given for no main event is there’s not enough women, so they do the same matches over again, so, uh…actually, I don’t know how to fake making sense of that. There’s logic I’m clearly missing here, but to me, it doens’t matter how many people you have as much as it matters having one really hot feud you can push to the top.
There’s the usual discussion of conditions for women in wrestling (pay is generally said to improved has improved, sexual harassment – by fans, and for independent women – is still an issue,) and it’s mentioned that six more women are planned to debut in April (in addition to Lluvia and Yesca? I’m thinking they’re included and we’re not getting 8 new women in 6 months.)
The more intersting to me is – is there a women’s main event on the roster right now? I’m not the best judge of this, because if someone suggested doing a Dark Angel/Amapola title match as Friday’s main event, I’d be all down with it but it’s not actually realisitc. Outside of Sujei, none of the top women are masked. Maybe Dark Angel vs Sujei in a hair/mask rematch of Sarah’s mask loss? That seems not big enough for a Friday show main event, but too big for them to put on a Tuesday or Sunday. The women’s titles mean as any titles here, but even men’s title matches tend not to be main event (only exceptions are Mistico and Dos on Monday). The big women’s matches have been treated as equals to the big minis matches and the big midcard matches, at the semimain level, and I think it’s more likely than ever, there’s just no obvious match we’re waiting to see happen that’d fit.
With the minis, if they put a long enough build into it, I could see something like Mascarita Dorada putting his mask up against Pierrothito as a real main event. In fact, if I were a mini, that’d be the match I’d be hoping for – you want the match mostly likely to deliver, to give everyone the best chance at getting another one. Bam Bam and the Mini Perros del Mal could deliver too, but I can’t imagine them doing more than they’ve already done and that’s not been good enough to be main event.
CMLL may be airing in Spain, though not the Sunday airing advertised.
SuperLuchas looks back at the night Konnan lost his mask and Tinieblas vs Canak from before I was born.
WagnerMania looks at the career of Huracan Ramriez (Daniel Garcia).
LuchaWorld has CMLL 06/01/07 (Sombra’s debut; hard to believe it’s only been a year with that name), CAN52 06/09 and FS3 06/10. There’s also KrisZ’s news update.
CMLL (SUN) 12/28 Arena Coliseo
1) Ángel Azteca Jr. & Astro Boy vs Apocalipsis & Inquisidor
2) Pequeño Olímpico, Shockercito, Tzuki vs Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Universo 2000, Pequeño Warrior
3) Fabián el Gitano, Leono, Mictlán vs Euforia, Nosferatu, Shigeo Okumura
4) Máximo, Sagrado, Valiente vs Lizmark Jr., Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero
5) Dos Caras Jr., Místico, Volador Jr. vs Averno, Mephisto, Texano Jr.
If Dos isn’t booked next Tuesday and Dos is really leaving at the end of 2008, this would be his last CMLL DF match. It probably isn’t. If the minis terceras are going somewhere, it’s Shockercito vs Mini Universo or Mini Warrior.
We’ll catch up with Monterrey results and more on Monday.
Cue a Henrik rant now..
Like you said, the only match that would probably even have a chance of making a main event for the women is Angel/Sujey Mask/Hair. If that does happen, It should take place in a cage. But knowing CMLL, that won’t happen.
Rob. I saw your question on superluchas asking which show CMLL is airing in Spain. You forgot to ask if it’s the Cadena Tres or even 52mx shows.
Cubs makes me feel so old, by telling everyone he’s at least 8 years younger than me.
FSE is airing
12/12 Mexico: Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Lluvia vs Hiroka, Mima Shimoda, Princesa Sujei
12/14 Coliseo: Flash & Stuka Jr. vs Euforia & Nosferatu [ARENA COLISEO TAG]
Sadly, FSE does not list CMLL for 1/4(technically 1/5, but the grid extends).
Cubs, I’m lazy to look back, is this FSE episode what you thought was going to air?
They better give the women the same treatment the mini’s got last week and edit it down to 5 minutes so the main can get as long as Sombra/Efesto did.
I’m surprised to see such normal lineups this week. Usually everyone goes home for Christmas/New Year’s so you get some odd lineups with primera guys in the segunda and random fill-ins (which could still happen). I hope Hijo Del Soberano has his gear ready!
Nah, i’m all ranted out. Suffice to say, fuck them, they’re shit, and they’ll never main event Arena Mexico. :)
To be honest, i’m just too excited by that amazingly awesome tercera next sunday to be down on anything just now :-p
Very good news for me!!
Canal de las Estrellas hasn’t aired any CMLL show since september; only AAA and Santo films. Now, thanks to VEO TV (a crappy TV channel participated by Sony) for bringing CMLL to the whole Spain!
CMLL, AAA, WWE, TNA-all one in the same. The women don’t get any real attention. In reality, who really cares? What fans are going to shows just to see the women? I don’t see what the big deal is-and I’m a woman.
@Rob:
Just watched CMLL on FSE, and Rob, you will be pleased to note that the women’s match was indeed edited to shreds and the tag title match got plenty of time. I thought it was a fun match, too. I’ve been without FSE or 52MX for a while, so I hadn’t seen any of these guys in some time and I was impressed. They even got some fans tossing money into the ring. Too bad the camera shots of the crowd didn’t really focus on those who appreciated the effort, though. After the match, the camera managed to find a few people who were on their feet, but also spent way too much time on a couple of sleeping children and one sleeping adult. Way to put over a long but interesting third fall. Oh well. :-)
@Victor Sosa: What evidence do you have that the match was edited to shreds vs. airing most of what happened live?
@LLL:
Well, I would hope they wouldn’t have booked the ladies match to be as short as it was on TV, especially since I believe it was the first appearance of Lluvia at Arena Mexico.
@LLL: SuperLucha had the match at 15 minutes; not paying attention, I’d guess it was under 10 as aired.
@thecubsfan: Considering they didn’t show the ring entrances, and went right to the intros, they seem to have cut nothing, since they had plenty of time. When you watch the match, you’ll see it’s pretty much complete.
@christi: I agree with you christi!
@Victor Sosa: That tag match was fun. The one thing I found annoying is the announcer (not Linares or Magadan, but the other guy) brought up the idea of a mask match between the two teams. Too freakin’ early for that. The women’s match was pretty dull. Mima Shimoda isn’t as good as she use to be IMO.
I agree about the poor camera work when it came to the crowd shots, but I’m pretty use to it nowadays. Its been that way for years. They’ll miss the fans that are actually awake and cheering and catch people sleeping or kids picking their noses. I’m just waiting for the crowd shot with some hot chick messing around with her blackberry or cellphone. I’m guessing its happened already and I missed it.:)
One positive is that they seem to be airing fewer of those show-long interview segments. I think Super Nova was the last one. Those things dragged the matches down for me personally since they seemed to be filler and not very informative.
@Pecharroman: Which CMLL show are they airing in Spain?
@LLL: You’re probably missing the cuts when the falls begin. When they do that stupid “primera caida” graphic – if you don’t see an edecan walking down the aisle you know there’s been an edit. Same goes for every fall. That’s always where they sneak the edits in.
“If the minis terceras are going somewhere, it’s Shockercito vs Mini Universo or Mini Warrior.”
Looks like you lose even though the lineups indicate nothing to further any of what CMLL wrote…
“La semana pasada, en la Arena Coliseo, Mascarita Dorada molesto por el trato de Pequeño Universo lo desafió a un duelo de apuestas, y ahora, el reto también va para el actual Campeón Nacional Ligero, Pequeño Pierroth, a quien desafió a una interesante batalla de máscara contra máscara.”
Dorada vs Pierrothito for the belt?
Dorada vs Pierrothito for masks?
Dorada vs Pequeno Universo for his mask?
My guess…
Tzuki and Dorada vs Pierrothito and Pequeno Damian for the Mexican National Mini’s Tag Team Titles.
So for those who haven’t heard yet – Cubs must be the new CMLL booker. They announced a cage match with the mini’s (masks on the line!) coming up in early January.
@Rob: I see what you mean. The first fall was “joined in progress”, thanks to the Primera Caida graphic. The rest looked unedited though.
For a one-hour show, I’d edit in a completely different manner of course.