11/30: Todos x El Todos, Lineups

indy (SUN) 11/23 Centro Deportivo Cordobes, Cordoba, Veracruz [SuperLuchas #292]
1) Maldito & Sombra Negra b Crazy Star & Spider Boy
2) Infierno Negro & Super Orion Jr. b Cometa Azul & Duende Acosta Jr.
3) Ringo Acosta, Rockero Tri, Tigre Blanco b Demonio Rojo, Marinero Acosta Jr., Super Orion
4) Angel del Futuro b Frankenstein 2000 [mask]

Frankenstein 2000 is Raul Gutierrez, 55 years old, 32 years of experience and best known as Barba Negra.

Todo x El Todo (SAT) 11/29 Circo Price, Madrid, Spain [pressing catch via SuperLuchas]
1) Corazón de Barrio b Magno
2) Mascarita Sagrada & Octagoncito b Lobito Feroz & Pierrothito
3) Casandro b Incógnito
4) El Hijo Del Santo & Solar I b Blue Demon Jr. & El Hijo del Solitario

This mini Pierroth with this group has to be a different one, or he’s banned for sure.

SuperLuchas 292 includes an interview with Mil Mascaras, Black Shadow Jr. the promoter of NWE for Mexico (not Juvi.) He says they plan on running two shows in February, and says the wrestlers involved will include Ric Flair, Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Super Nova, Ultimo Dragon, Pac and other usual NWE wrestlers. I’m highly skeptical of those first three names, it may be news to them that they’re working these shows.

Accion had highlights of CMLL’s main event (focus on Shocker and Mistico beating their rivals) and Latin/Zorro from AAA. WWE’s clips were of the women’s match, again.

SuperLuchas says Rey Misterio still has not signed his WWE deal. His old one runs out early next year.

The Gladiatores has an interview with Marco Antonio Moreno of IWRG.

LuchaWorld has KrisZ’s news update.

AULL (WED) 12/03 Arena Lopez Mateos
1) Lady Apache & Vicki Carnaza vs Martha Villalobos & Rossy Moreno
2) Danny Boy, La Flecha (Skayde), Lasser vs Bronco (UWA), Rocky Santana, Romano Garcia
3) Villano IV & Villano V vs Scorpio Jr. & Shu el Guerrero and Super Astro & Ultraman and Kahoz & Rambo [Copa UWA Toreo]
4) Dr. Wagner Jr. & Mil Mascaras vs Canek & Dos Caras Sr.

This is the El Toreo farewell show. I’m assuming that’s Skayde there, and not the more recent Flecha.

CMLL (SUN) 12/07 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Imposter & Plata vs Ebola & Fraile de la Muerte
2) Virgo vs Samurai, Thunder Boy, Quazar, Neon, Milenio, Azazel, Relampago Azul [mask]
3) Hijo del Fantasma & La Máscara vs Terrible & Texano Jr.
4) Marco Corelone & Shocker vs Lizmark Jr. & Mr. Niebla

IWRG (SUN) 12/07 Arena Naucalpan
1) Eragon & Goleador vs Anticristo Jr. & Nemsis (IWRG)
2) Marco Rivera & Tony Rivera vs Trauma I & Trauma II
3) Oficial 911, Oficial AK47, Oficial Fierro vs Black Terry, Cerebro Negro, Dr. Cerebro [EdM Trios]
4) Cien Caras Jr., Hijo del Cien Caras, Máscara Año 2000 vs Arlequin, el Hijo del Pierroth, Pierroth II
5) Scorpio Jr. vs Mascara Ano 2000 Jr. [Rey del Ring]
6) Fuerza Guerrera, Super Astro, Tinieblas Jr., Zumbido vs Head Hunter I, Masada, Tetsuya, Veneno

Tony hasn’t been back in Arena Coliseo since he lost his hair last month to Loco Max (and Arena Mexico since August.) I still maintain that finish was no surprise given how Tony had been using, but the fact that it was no surprise means it’s also no surprise he’s out of there.

This show, IWRG’s 46th anniversary celebration of wrestling in Mexico State (Arena Naucalpan and the predecessors), also goes up against the Perros show and the Sunday Arena Mexico show.

FSE is airing:
– Euforia, Nosferatu, Satánico b Flash, Leono, Stuka Jr.
– La Sombra, Mascara Dorada, Místico DQ Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto

11/29: Neza, Mexico, RVD, lineups

CMLL (SUN) 11/23 Arena Neza [the gladiatores]
1) Aullido & Beta b Elektro Boy & Magic Man
2) Hermano Muerte II & Hermano Muerte III b Hombre Bala Jr. & Okawa
3) La Nazi & Medussa b Goddess & India Sioux
4) Cocolores, Rayo Tapatío I, Starman DQ Chacmol, Corsario, Ramstein
5) Arkangel de la Muerte, Black Warrior, Sangre Azteca b La Sombra, Mascara Dorada, Stuka Jr.

Ramstein fouled Starman for that DQ. Arkangel beat Sombra in the final fall, which I can’t imagine ever happening on TV.

CMLL (FRI) 11/28 Arena Mexico [SuperLuchas, ESTO, Ovaciones]
1) Metálico & Tigre Blanco b Carrona & Pólvora
2) Amapola, Hiroka, Princesa Sujei b Dark Angel, Princesa Blanca, Sahori
3) Felino, Heavy Metal, Sangre Azteca b Máximo, Mictlán, Volador Jr.
4) Héctor Garza, La Máscara, Mascara Dorada DQ Ephesto, Terrible, Texano Jr.
5) Místico, Shocker, Toscano b Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

Shocker pinned Niebla in the main for the clean win. Pesta Negra screwed with Shocker’s father before the match. Terrible fouled Garza in the semimain. Dark Angel had Princesa Sujei beat in the women’s match, but Hiroka (first match in a month) snuck in and over turned the pin for the rudas.

CMLL’s news page teases both Terrible/Garza and Shocker/Pesta as fueds. Maybe something will happen on 12/12, maybe they just needed something to talk about today.

According to the Record, via SuperLuchas, Dos Caras Jr. is off the Perro debut card (at the request of CMLL) and Rob Van Dam *MAY* be on it.

No one’s noticed, since he’s working everywhere else, but according to this article, the DF Box Y Lucha commission suspended Dr. Wagner one month, for throwing that chair earlier this month. The article does note that they’ll let him work the Perro’s debut show.

The Gladiatores has video interviews with Dr. Wagner Jr., and Scorpio Jr.

SuperLuchas looks back at Chris Jericho’s debut in CMLL.

AAA looks back Los Gringos Locos.

Lucha Libre Madrid/London:
Santo talks to the Sun; it’s correct but unusual when they refer to AAA as the biggest promotion in Mexico
Santo talks to AS.com and explains that he would beat Rey Misterio Jr. in a fight. Good to know.

LuchaWorld has Robert on IWRG 08/13/06, CMLL TV 09/02/06, and AAA 08/17/06, as well as KrisZ’s news update.

CMLL (TUE) 12/02 Arena Mexico
1) Ángel Azteca Jr., Angel de Oro, Metálico vs Artillero, Pólvora, Súper Comando
2) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Sahori vs Amapola, Hiroka, Princesa Sujei
3) Mascara Dorada, Máscara Púrpura, Valiente vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Ephesto, Sangre Azteca
4) Mictlán vs Loco Max [hair]
5) Héctor Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, Místico vs Averno, Mephisto, Texano Jr.

Loco beat Tony Rivera, but I don’t think he’s going to build up a win streak here.

CMLL (FRI) 12/05 Arena Mexico
1) Calígula & Méssala vs Molotov & Sensei
2) Bam Bam, Pequeño Olímpico, Último Dragoncito vs Mr. Aguilita, Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior
3) Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara, Valiente vs Dragon Rojo Jr., Misterioso II, Virus
4) Máximo, Shocker, Toscano vs Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas, Sangre Azteca
5) Héctor Garza, Marco Corelone, Místico vs Atlantis, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero

Perhaps they’re actually going somewhere with Shocker vs Pesta, but obviously Garza/Terrible was a one week thing.

CMLL (SUN) 12/07 Arena Mexico
1) Ángel Azteca Jr. & Angel de Oro vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Pequeño Damian 666, Pequeño Halloween, Pequeño Warrior vs Nino de Acero, Pequeno Ninja, Pequeño Olímpico
3) Mascara Dorada, Máximo, Valiente vs Felino, Heavy Metal, Sangre Azteca
4) Dos Caras Jr., La Sombra, Toscano vs Ephesto, Misterioso II, Último Guerrero
5) Blue Panther, Héctor Garza, Místico vs Averno, Black Warrior, Mephisto

Arena Coliseo Tag match to be added. Which means we’ll have another Arena Coliseo Tag Team Title match in Arena Mexico. I understand there’s history under that name, but they should’ve just called it (or got) the DF Tag Titles.

As SoloLuchas points out, this runs against the Perro debut show, at discounted prices.

CMLL (SAT) 12/13 Arena Juba de Reynosa [la tarde]
1) Asterisco, Magnifico, Rey Patriota vs Hlacon de Oro Jr., Imagen I, Imagen II
2) Asterisco & Principe Diamante vs La Bestia Negra & Turok
3) Shocker & Toscano vs Terrible & Texano Jr.
4) Marco Corelone & Místico vs Rey Bucanero & Último Guerrero

CMLL’s Ras de Lona is on LATV

If you have the Latino Alternativo Television Network, you can watch CMLL’s half hour news/recap show. It’s currently airing a half dozen times a week, including 2 AM eastern tonight (and also as I’m typing this.) The new episode seems to be the Wednesday airing.

LATV is actually an over the air channel, so you don’t need cable to get it, but you do need something that picks up digital channels (and cable is helpful there.)

LATV seems to be airing some other 52 MX/MVS television, but not the Guerreros del Ring show. Couldn’t hurt to ask politely on that. The downside is it appears to be on a little bit of a delay; they’re airing matches and talking with angles from the week of 11/09 (and only highlights from the top 3.) Anything’s better than nothing, and it’s nice to get the show where they actually try to get over the angles.

If you don’t get this channel, I will be uploading these.

11/28: Olimpico, Mexico, GDL, UDG

(SoloLuchas) The mystery guy in the Perros debut show will be Olimpico. He’s left CMLL and will join this group. Seems like a risky move, but I guess it’s better than being passed up by younger rudos.

CMLL (FRI) 11/28 Arena Mexico
1) Metálico & Tigre Blanco vs Carrona & Pólvora
2) Dark Angel, Princesa Blanca, Sahori vs Amapola, Hiroka, Princesa Sujei
3) Máximo, Mictlán, Volador Jr. vs Felino, Heavy Metal, Sangre Azteca
4) Ephesto, Terrible, Texano Jr. vs Héctor Garza, La Máscara, Mascara Dorada
5) Místico, Shocker, Toscano vs Atlantis, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas


Storyline for the show is Shocker’s return and Toscano’s return to the tecnico side. Shocker’s interviewed in Ovaciones, though he doesn’t say much. If CMLL is going to end the year with a big show two weeks from now, they have to make it clear tonight. Perhaps they are setting up a trios title match, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they just ran two normal shows and that was it.

Coliseo Coacalco has a website at http://www.coliseocoacalco.com.mx/.

Ohtani’s Jacket writes about Panther vs Averno

CMLL (TUE) 12/02 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Plata vs Valentin Mayo
2) Carlo Roggi vs Ebola
3) Palacio Negro vs Güero Loco
4) Bam Bam & Último Dragoncito vs Mr. Aguilita & Pequeño Damian 666
5) Casanova vs Super Maquina [mask, hair]
6) Black Warrior, Euforia, Mr. Niebla vs Máximo, Toscano, Volador Jr.

An odd selection of guys for the main event, but usually Euforia and Maximo would be tagging with locals in the semimian. No idea about a winner there.

indy (SUN) 11/30 Arena Tiger Padilla [box y lucha]
1) Colombiano & Cyber Gata vs Blue Ice & Goliath
2) Diablo I & Diablo II vs Erick el Rojo & Hechicero
3) Sic Boy & SKam 13 vs Darlion & Nightmear
4) Volador I vs Volador Jr., Misterioso II, Misterioso Sr. [mask, hair]

Main event has resurfaced, for a different building.

DRAGON GYM (SUN) 12/14 Arena Coliseo [Mr. Burbu @ el Martiente]
1) Negro Navarro vs Terry 2000
2) Marcela & Pequeno Ninja vs Mima Shimoda & Pequeño Halloween
3) Satoshi Kajiwara vs Súper Camaleón, Ministro, Adam Bridle, Trauma I, Trauma II, Disturbio, Miedo [Copa Dragon]
4) Brazo de Platino, La Máscara, Valiente vs Atlantis, Loco Max, Shigeo Okumura
5) Último Dragón vs Ohara [NWA IJH]

Yea, sure, why not. Noon show, with the CMLL guys assuredly working a double header in this building since one-third of the roster will be in Guadalajara on this day. Should I know Adam Bridle? Dragon just won this title in Dradition over Super Delfin, and I’m going to guess Ohara takes it from him to continue his spot as young rudo ace in this non-group. Judging from the poster, the mixed rudo pair was supposed to be Hiroka and Pequeno Damian, but Hiroka’s in GDL.

AAA #860 (11/22)

taped 10/24

I figure, the months ahead will provide me with no shortage of opportunity to mock the matches. Though – wait, I just realized a point that needs to be made…

ATTENTION: putting aside who they are or where they’re coming from, if you want to bring in better wrestlers to improve AAA, there’s definitely places where it can improve. The problem is, they’re talking about bringing in guys to be midcarders. The midcard isn’t the problem! Even if you believe Mark Briscoe is better than Night Queen Jessy, it doesn’t make the main events any less horrible! And the matches will continue to suck unless they change THOSE guys or they let the guys who can actually have exciting matches do more than sell all match.

Anyway. It’s important to remember they really don’t want to have better matches, they want to have matches that look different than the WWE stuff. So we get endless hardcore and ladder because WWE doesn’t do that on free TV (for good reason!) and we’ll get ROH style matches for the same reason. Since the emphasis is on style rather than quality, I still think it’d be easier to just buy a bunch of ROH DVDs and have their guys watch them than to buy ROH wrestlers, but this is also a subtle networking bit.

(and I think it’d be better if they just skipped ahead to buying CHIKARA DVDs, but I’ve totally digressed here.)

Getting back to the part where I actually talk about the show:

– minis match, chopped up and not especially compelling. But watch it below!
– torneo de Pena – everyone not named Mesias and Pirata (and maybe Elegido) buried 6 feet under. I know the point here is to subtly push Mesias as a tecnico and snuff out the feud with the Dark Family (he’s a main eventer, they’re a midcarder, they’re not allowed to feud) but it also kinda seemed like the point was to showcase Mesias inability to work anything but the same exact match seeing as he did it about five straight times.

Also, what was the point of having all three referees out there? They didn’t anything to stop the interference, which would be the reason to have them there. Which leaves me with no reason for them to be there.
– cage match: at least it felt shorter than usual?

What I planned on talking about was the non match stuff, but this is at a billion words already. Let’s see how quick I can do it.

* AAA would be so much better off if Octagon and Atlantis switched places. Octagon forever gets booked in these matches as the older legend of AAA, the symbol of traditional wrestling in an traditional world, the mentor to all the young guys. (Tecnico Atlantis. Or maybe Panther.) Unfortunately, he’s awful at it; he works as symbol, but he seems like he could care less. Getting his trademark spots in and taking off was such a typical moment for Octagon, that’s what he’s done for years. There’s tons of CMLL guys who can (and do) play the legendary wrestler defending his company from invaders, but AAA’s stuck with Octagon and no one really else – La Parka strength is comedy and doesn’t work as serious, so they have to bring back Latin to be the defender of all things AAA. It’s not a problem AAA can fix, there’s no obvious replacement, but the problem sticks out every time they do one of this angles.

* You’re also left with problems like “X-Pac, the man of reason”. Why does DX care about AAA going into chaos? Don’t they want a revolution? Maybe I can count them out.

* Did AAA make enough money by switching from the usual Auditorio to the baseball stadium to make up for the absolutely dead sounding crowd? I think the crowd was actually making noise and it was just audible, but the biggest memory of this show is people waving to the crowd to try and get a reaction every twenty seconds.

* The video packages they have now are better than what they had before, but they’re really not great and wearing thin. They’re trying to ape WWE here, and I wish they’d do a better job of it. WWE video packages start with one angle, follow it thru, maybe have some chaotic highlights underneath promos, and a dramatic conclusion. AAA video packages start with an angle, branch off to another angle, descend into random scenes and random promos and then just end with more random images, to the point where they have the show the graphic again to remind you what was supposed to be going on here.

* If Cibernetico vacating the title is supposed to be a big deal, maybe you’ve waited for another show where it would’ve come off like a big deal, instead of jamming it here overload. I think the people got their money’s worth with Konnan taking over, that could’ve been saved until the next taping.

(also, it would’ve been nice if Galavision aired the show in the right timeslot, so the end of the show would’ve be clipped off – like it is in my linked video. I’m sure it’ll repeat next week and five straight weeks after that.)

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CMLL Apertura 2008 Standings

Lucha libre, even CMLL these days, is far more soap opera and less sport. People win, people lose, and it doesn’t really matter unless you’re in a pre-programmed feud (in which case you either trade wins or the champions lose every match until they win the title defense.) It doesn’t matter what you did last Friday by the time next Friday rolls around. The top guys are identified by their position on the card and their involvement in storylines.

On the other hand, the Mexican Futbol First Division is wrapping up this half season right now. In professional sports, wins and losses are all that really matter, how you determine the winner.

Just for kicks, and because this is the kind of thing I like to do with the database, I though it’d be amusing to see who would be closing on the championship in a mirror world, where the top lucha libre wrestlers are determined by record. (I don’t have the knowledge to do it the other way for futbol.)

I includes only those with at least 17 matches between Coliseo and Mexico (First Division’s season length), and normalized the points for a 17 game season so those with the both matches aren’t unfairly rewarded. The first division season went from July 26 to November 16, so that’s what I used. There’s one show in that span where results never turned up, so that’s the U line. 2 points for a win, 1 points for a loss. Which two wrestlers would get demoted to the second division IWRG?

Name                W    L    D    U  Points
Blue Panther       28    2    0    0    32
Marco Corelone     22    6    0    0    27
Dos Caras Jr.      15    4    0    1    26
Volador Jr.        20    6    0    1    25
La Sombra          17    6    0    0    25
La Máscara         17    9    0    0    22
Héctor Garza       16    8    0    1    22
Sagrado             9    9    0    0    17
Valiente            9    9    0    0    17
Último Guerrero    12   13    0    0    16
Negro Casas         9   11    0    0    15
Atlantis            9   12    0    0    15
Rey Bucanero       11   16    0    0    14
Mephisto            7   14    0    1    11
Dragon Rojo Jr.     7   12    0    0    13
Ephesto             6   12    0    0    11
Averno              6   12    0    1    11
Misterioso II       6   14    0    0    10
Mr. Niebla          5   17    0    0    08
Terrible            3   15    0    1    05

Poor Niebla and Terrible. You know, CMLL enacting relegation and promotions would sure explain how Shocker and Toscano got back in, now that I think about it.

What really intrigued me out of this is Blue Panther’s record – 28 and 2! I think you can identify one of those losses pretty easily. By my count, Blue Panther won 11 matches in a row between losing his mask and losing his next, against Atlantis, Rey and UG on 11/14. There’s been a concentrated effort to build/rehab Panther here, and it’s been completely lost on me.

Note the top group is all tecnicos, the bottom group is all rudos, and UG has been both and is in the middle. That’s never changing.

CMLL FSE #120 (11/23)

taped 11/14-16

This was better than average but not a special episodes. Minis were good, but the bar is pretty high there and they didn’t quite reach it. Coliseo Trios was fine but a bit paint by numbers.

Mascara Dorada = Grey Shadow II. There’s some effort to position him as something on occasion, but it’s pretty clear they don’t have confidence in his work in the ring right now to sustain it. On the net, he’s going to move up from being second/third match guy to third/fourth match guy when everything settles down, but probably still not mean a whole much other than getting someone out there using the Mascara Dorada name (which they surely own, which may not have been as clear the case with ‘Metalik’.)

I can’t believe I’m not higher on a show with 27 minutes of wrestling.

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