CMLL (FRI) 09/19 Arena Mexico
1) Alex Koslov, La Sombra, Volador Jr. vs Damián 666, Mr. Águila, Texano Jr.
2) Héctor Garza, Hijo del Fantasma, La Máscara vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
3) Dos Caras Jr., Dr. Wagner Jr., Marco Corelone vs Heavy Metal, Lizmark Jr., Mr. Niebla
4) Rey Bucanero vs X-Pac [CMLL LH]
5) Atlantis, Negro Casas, Último Guerrero vs Alex Shelley, Chris Sabin, Sonjay Dutt [CMLL TRIOS]
6) Blue Panther vs Villano V [mask]
X-PAC. X-Pac. Next time I need a job, I’m going to Marco Corelone, the man gets it done.
If people believe in the main event, it’d make this work as an event. There’s nothing much special – foreigners getting title shots is unusual, but I don’t if it draws – and everything else is about getting people on the card. But unless they were willing to do Wagner/Niebla, this may be as good as they were going to do with what they have at the moment. (Too bad no one believes in Panther/V5 and V5’s not capable of changing their minds in his shape.) That’s not to doing as good as they should – there should be some sort of hot feud in the place of Rey Bucanero vs X-Pac – but since you can’t fix what didn’t work so far, I’d rather this than trying to stunt book something.
It doesn’t matter much, but as far as these things goes, the undercard trio teams make far more sense than usual. If Felino replaced Lizmark Jr., it’d be perfect, but Lizmark is surely there to counter Dos and Marco.
game theory question: gotta this feeling the main event is going the tecnico way, so does that mean one of the foreigners is winning a title, or will they go with the all home team finishes for the anniversary show?
I’m too fascinated by Rey Bucanero vs X-Pac to be down on this show. (And I can’t believe there’s questions about what I like in the comments when I say things like that.) Plus, the ex-champs vs the unbreakable Triad should be fun, right? And having limited time will only help the Perros focus, surely? Give me 3 more minutes and I can talk myself into the whole card.
At the same time, I’m setting the opening line at 12,000. It can appeal to me all it wants, I ain’t the one buying tickets.
UPDATE: Paco Alonso gets into the HOF. Must’ve been the exceptional job he did in building up a card featurning one guy being brought in completely out of blue, one feud only occuring due to heavy encouragement by another promotion, and a main event of an old guy looking for one last big payday. (Or perhaps it was the vision of the Felino turn?) The power of paying people what they were supposed to get in the wrestling business can never be underestimated.
If anyone from CMLL was going to get vote inflation for slightly questionable reasons, wouldn’t you figure it would’ve been Blue Panther? The man’s about to headline the biggest show of the year of his promotion for two straight years after a good long career. He went DOWN.
Didn’t “Cinturon de Oro” started on ESPN? It’s just a little torneo, not a weekly tradition as the Empresa used to do in their venues (they even downplayed Lucha saying they’re actually Boxing promoters… losers)
I think boxing went right from Televisa to MVS and MVS started the “Cinturon de Oro”.
Vince McMahon himself even tries to downplay his role, calling himself a producer, and trying to branch off into other ventures. Being as asshold should not exclude admission into the HOF though. Based on attendace, revenue, popularity, etc…..CMLL is still the number two promotion in the world, behind WWE, and ahead of TNA.
Nope, boxing was canned from la Empresa’s venues. Cinturon de Oro last only a few weeks and is nowhere near what Boxing Wednesdays at Coliseo and Saturdays at ArMex meant. It’s barely a step ahead of amateur championship, mostly 4 round tourney with them always running into trouble to fill up the brackets for lack of interest, and is run on Corona’s money.
I doubt you have any numbers about attendance, revenue, popularity etc to make that statement mean anything. The fact is, Paco has been there 30 years, and only 3 or 4 years of them have been any “great”, you can’t even count “the last 3 years” since they only had brief periods of good attendances, anniv 63 tanked with less than a half house (7 thousand), 2007 and 2008 will go down with probably only 2 shows selling out and mostly because of Wagner who the company has not done anything to promote.
So you are saying that a 12% hit and 88% miss is enough to warrant you a HOF?
Boxing is not canned. They rent to boxing promoters all the time.
CMLL draws about 500,000 fans a year on ArMex Fridays, plus Tuesday and Sunday Coliseo. Throw in Puebla and GDL and they are doing about 1,000,000 fans a year. Sponsorships, tv rights, beer, soda, sandwiches, etc…. and I’d have to figure CMLL is a $10,000,000 a year company.
Sellout or not, drawing thousands of fans to the same venue weekly is HOF. Like Memphis. They drew big crowds for years, not always sellout out, but it was still an amazing run. Jarrett is HOF material for that, reason, just like Paco is for his run in Mexico.
“CMLL draws about 500,000 fans a year on ArMex Fridays, plus Tuesday and Sunday Coliseo”
You make it sound as if they’ve been doing 10,000 per week for 30 years, but the truth is for long stretches they’re doing less than 1000. In the Peña days, they’re doing 2,000,000 (in Mexico City alone they used to run ArMex on Fridays and Sundays with Coliseo running Sundays as well, Peña took them on tour also but that numbers are not included) so how come now making only 500,000 is a great thing? Paco gets in the HOF for doing at best, 25% of what they did 18 years ago?
“Sellout or not, drawing thousands of fans to the same venue weekly is HOF. Like Memphis. They drew big crowds for years, not always sellout out, but it was still an amazing run. Jarrett is HOF material for that, reason, just like Paco is for his run in Mexico.”
Again, what has Paco to do with that?