02/19: notes

Arturo Rivera heard the Heavy Metal to AAA rumor about two weeks after everyone else and also throws out a Latin Lover to CMLL rumor.

Ovaciones says Multifacetico did defeat Kaminari for his hair on Sunday, and Rayo de Jalisco did not lose the WWA Heavyweight championship on Saturday.

AAA (SAT) 02/16 Plaza de Toros Torreon [KrisZ]
1) Pentagoncito & Ricky Estrada b Dragoncito & El Lobo
2) Estrellita & La Bandida b La Hechicera & Rosy Moreno
3) Billy Boy & Pegasso b El Tackle & Tony Rodriguez
4) Histeria, Mr. Niebla, Psicosis II b Animaniac, Extreme Tiger, Halloween
5) Intocable, La Parka Jr., Super Porky b Espiritu, Kenzo Suzuki, Zorro

indy (SUN) 02/17 Poliforum Zamna de Merida [KrisZ]
1) Halcon Rojo Jr., Piloto I, Piloto II DQ Drako, Panther Boy Jr., Tormenta Negra Jr.
2) Halcon Rojo, Johny Reyna, Lobo Salvaje b La Chona, Sexy Geminis, Torinto
3) Angelito Vengador b Arkanos [mask]
4) el Hijo Del Anibal & Rayman b Hijo del Cien Caras & Mascara Ano 2000 Jr.
5) Blue Demon Jr. & Latin Lover b Héctor Garza & LA Park

Latin briefly talked about this show with La Oreja.

indy (TUE) 02/19 Arena Coliseo Monterrey [RFC]
1) Pedro Navajas & Perla Negra vs Lady Puma & Tequilita
2) Guerrero Griego & Laser Man vs Fomer Lover & Metalic
3) Gardenia Azteca, Mariposa Monarca, Rosa Salvaje vs Angel Negro, Misionero, Sika
4) Bengaly & Karonte vs Ejecutor & Maravilla Azteca
5) Angel Dorado, Corazon Adicto, Golden Boy vs Rey Demonio Jr., Simbolo, the King

el maldito enmascarado has pictures from one of the LA lucha va voom shows.

WAGNER (SAT) 03/08 Plaza de Toros Torreon [el siglo de torreon]
1) Autentico & Fantastico vs Rey Sagitario & Vaquero Salazar
2) Centella Azul Jr. & Maquina 27 vs Super Leopardo & Super Star
3) Dorado, Emperador Azteca, Sexy Piscis vs Chamuco Trevino, Moro II, Sexy Libra
4) Máscara Púrpura & Súper Nova vs Nitro & Super X
5) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs LA Park vs Héctor Garza vs el Hijo del Perro Aguayo

33 thoughts to “02/19: notes”

  1. The title match from Puebla last night looks un-fucking-real. Why can’t we get that type of a match in Arena Mexico? Look at these pictures.. NO CAMERAS PRESENT and they are doing this stuff…

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    The fact I don’t live in Puebla is unfair. And they had Tzuki on the undercard!

    Shocker looks to be on the outs. New Arena Mexico main event improves x10.

  2. WAGNER (SAT) 03/08 Plaza de Toros Torreon [el siglo de torreon]
    5) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs LA Park vs Héctor Garza vs el Hijo del Perro Aguayo
    ******

    That could be a real good match right there… or a total mess.

  3. Sorry.:/ I thought something went wrong b/c it said “comment sent for approval by administrator” when I posted it.

  4. I think Arturo Rivera is spreading the rumor of Latin Lover going to CMLL because he wants Latin Lover to go to CMLL. He was very openly resentful of him for missing the Pena Show.

    If Latin Lover does go over (which I don’t think he will) then AAA will have absolutely no redeaming quality left over which is sad. Don’t get me wrong AAA has so much talent but unfortunatelly Konnan is there booking everybody all wrong.

  5. Why are the Torreon shows taking place at the bullring? I thought Auditorio was the preferred venue for fans and promoters.

    Any photos from the recent AAA show and upcoming WAGNER show there would be great.

    Wow. Puebla continues to be a hot CMLL town. That venue is packed.

    Forget about Latin Lover. He’ll never be a full-time worker again unless he blows his money.

    Daniel. Konnan(or someone) is doing a great job of getting people interested in the Abismo vs. Niebla and Chessman vs. Halloween feuds. Have you even seen recent AAA? That verbal exchange between ‘bismo and Niebla was classic stuff. Chessman’s promos and recent match with Halloween was good too. And if Konnan is doing all the booking, he’s putting Elegido on top, so no one can cry that he hates strippers.

  6. One guy told me last Friday that he was going to the bullring show, he wanted me to go with him but I can not get to shows being that early. I dunno if they’ll be any pics, the Wagner show is unlikely, they’re not letting fans in with cameras (maybe AAA is doing so as well, who knows)…

  7. I find myself actually listening to AAA promos for the first time in years and years. That’s definitely one improvement in the product. They definitely need to let guys talk more if they can.

  8. You’re right Rob. With three hours and one-fall matches, they have the time to let the guys talk. I was just blown away by Abismo getting right in Niebla’s face. That whole Viper storyline makes sense, and should be a year-long feud for those four guys.

  9. The thing I find funny is that CMLL has 2 hours worth of weekend TV which features promos before every match and I can’t think of a SINGLE memorable promo from the 2+ year run. It’s as if nobody in the promotion can speak aside from the really top guys that get the odd post-match Arena Mexico promo but even then it’s all about catch phrases. Granted – talking isn’t a priority in CMLL like it is in AAA but you’d think these guys could come up with something since they only need to fill 20 seconds of air time usually.

  10. CMLL just lost it’s ability to run angles. I’m not sure why, but they are so stale. I remember how great the Shocker vs. Emilio Charles stuff was. Or Shocker vs. Niebla. They built feuds that people got into. They just don’t do that anymore.

    And the CMLL guys have more mic time to practice. The shows on 52MX and FSE and Azteca MTY all have promos. But nothing much is said to followed up on.

    Cubs hit the nail on the head when he observed that CMLL on FSE is not episodic.

  11. The CadenaTres show at least has some promos. They didn’t this past weekend but they usually do.

    Speaking of CadenaTres, Rob have you watched the matches from this past weekend? I thought the Semi Main was pretty good.

  12. Cadena Tres did start with a format where they did a promo with participants before each match. It’s very much like AAA in that sense.

  13. AAA promos are used to get actual angles over. CMLL promos are used to kill 30 seconds of screen time by making a random challenge no one believes, including the person who says it. I think it makes a big difference in progression.

  14. luchalibrelive! The Abysmo Negro verbal exchange was good because it was to the point and no un-neccesary time was wasted, which does not seem like Konnan booking.

    And who the fuck cares about Halloween and Chessman? If it’s in the mid card that’s fine but it looks like it’s main eventing a few shows and that goes to show what’s wrong with Konnan’s bookin.

  15. Tim, I’m assuming you know your mathematical signs correctly and you’re saying Chessman is greater than Latin Lover. I’m also assuming that you’re saying that just to be a typical Internet smart-ass fan who likes to go against the grain. Because if you honestly beleive that Chessman is better than Latin Lover, then you don’t know wrestling, especially not Mexican wrestling.

  16. I believe it. Lover has not been a draw for years. Sure, he’s a media darling, but he just hasn’t translated into box office for AAA in a long time. Chessman is a star today, and hopefully will be for years to come.

    Chessman>Joe Lider>Mesias>Zorro>Elegido>Abismo>Halloween>Latin Lover Ok, now I’m being an internet wise-ass, but seriously, Lover is finished.

    What’s wrong with Chessman vs. Halloween?

  17. I don’t know Mexican wrestling? Alright if you say so Daniel. Latin Lover is alright but he’s above wrestling now. He should just stay with Televisa and do Celebrity wrestling shows. He doesn’t fit in AAA with Intocable and Elegido there now.

  18. luchalibrelive! Don’t even try to argue that Latin Lover is not a draw because you’ll always lose that argument. He’s performed in front of too many sold out crowds and his pops are too loud for you to make any type of claim that he can’t draw.

    There’s nothing wrong with Chessman vs Halloween per se, all I’m saying is that it’s not main event quality because neither of those two are main event stars especially not Halloween. I know they’re risking their lives and carreers doing garbage wrestling matches but that does not qualify them as main event stars. You say Chessman is a star? Let’s be real, he’s Cibernetico’s right hand man. That’s not a star. I’m not denying his athletic ability or hard work but he is in Cibernetico’s shadow.

    Tim, you proved once again you don’t know Mexican wrestling by saying he doesn’t fit in with Intocable and Elegido now. Intocable was alreay there while he was still full time, and Elegido was brought in to be “the new” Latin Lover. If anything they don’t need the immitator when they have the real thing.

  19. I agree that Chessman is in Ciber’s shadow. That’s why I wished Ciber would’ve stayed out longer to allow others like Chess to move up.

    Lover’s departure from AAA has few concerned about the box office. I can’t think of any memorable promos, feuds, or huge gates that can be attributed to Lover in the main.

  20. luchlibrelive! It’s not that you cant think of any any memorable promos, feuds, or huge gates that can be attributed to Lover in the main, it’s that you don’t want to acknowledge any because you don’t like Latin Lover. Hey I don’t like The Rock but I’m not gonna deny his success because that would just make me look stupid.

  21. The last feud I remember of Latin’s is the one with Abismo. That was last year during the birth of the Hell Brothers/Legion feud. I hope your not saying Latin is a bigger draw than Cibernetico are you Daniel?

  22. But if one follows wrestling, they can remember Rock’s memorable promos, mannerisms, big feuds, etc…..

    What would you even put on a Latin Lover DVD if you had to produce one? There’s just nothing memorable about the guy. Nothing really worth documenting.

  23. Tim, actually Latin is a bigger draw than Cibernetico. Cibernetico is a no-star who is being shoved down people’s throats by Konnan the same way Russo shoved Jeff Jarrett down people’s throats. Back in the dying WCW Jeff Jarrett was the “main man” on paper but he sure as hell wasn’t a bigger draw than Hulk Hogan.

    luchlibrelive! If you can’t think of what you would put on a Latin Lover DVD then you obviously havent’ been following AAA over the years, which makes your criticisms of Latin Lover completely baseless.

  24. No Daniel, if you, the most vocal advocate of Latin Lover can’t respond with examples of what would be on a Lover DVD, it proves there’s really nothing he has ever done worth watching again.

  25. It’s not that I couldn’t think of any myslef I was just making a point that if you don’t know then you’re not such a “smart fan” after all. If you want I can name some stuff

    -Latin losing his mask to Sangre Chicana

    -Him and Hector Garza feuding with Hijo del Perro and Heavey Metal

    -Him winning a trophy in a four way match at Triplemania

    -His feud with Hector Garza culminating with him taking Hector’s hair

    -His feud with Chessman culminating with him taking Chessmans’ hair at Verano De Escandalo

    -Countless big Triplemania matches and other main events at big shows

    There that’s just to name a few

  26. I’ll admit, you won this argument.

    I totally forgot about the legendary 4-way feud with Lover, Perro, Metal, and Garza. That feud drew big, including some huge gates in Monterrey. I was at a tv taping in Queretaro two days before a Monterrey taping with those four in the main event, and still regret not going.

  27. “””
    I can’t think of any memorable promos, feuds, or huge gates that can be attributed to Lover in the main.
    “””

    Same could be said about Aguayo Jr, and he draws 20% of what Lover does.

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