(the rest of the news is to come)
CMLL (FRI) 08/03 Arena Mexico
1) Shockercito & Tzuki vs Pequeno Violencia & Pierrothito
2) Dark Angel, Diana la Cazadora, Lady Apache vs Amapola, Hiroka, Mima Shimoda
3) Heavy Metal, Sombra, Stuka Jr. vs Averno, Ephesto, Mephisto
4) Alex Koslov, Dr. Wagner Jr., Volador Jr. vs Atlantis, Sangre Azteca, Ultimo Guerrero
5) Blue Panther, Mistico, Negro Casas vs Hector Garza, Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Lizmark Jr.
Tonight’s big focus is on Perro (and Lizmark)’s return to the ring. Figure Perro gets a win to restart with, probably by cheating Panther since that’s the way things have been going for him. We’re still far enough away from the anniversary where CMLL doesn’t actually need to have a direction, and it’s not like they’ve been doing other major shows in between this year. Anytime Mistico teams with Negro, I wonder if they’re setting up something with the tag titles, but it’s equally likely (read: not very) they could do something with this tecnico trio challenging for the Perro’s CMLL Trios belts. Most likely, they’re just going to try to coast off the momentum of Perro being back in the ring.
The semimain is all about the continuing Wagner vs Ultimo feud. I think that one will have some sort of short term climax, maybe a singles match at some point soon, but I don’t actually know anything.
Ovaciones and NotiMex have the usual previews. ESTO profiles Perro Jr’s return and has a fun interview with Ultimo Guerrero, where he states
– Atlantis warned him about teaming with Dr. Wagner, but Ultimo made the mistake of trusting Dr. Wagner. Now, CMLL’s not big enough for the both of then.
– Ultimo vows to retire before he ever teams with Mistico
– Ultimo says Perro Jr. got the benefit of his father’s name and hasn’t learned a wrestling hold. If Perro’s going to be around, Ultimo wants to get his team another shot at the trios titles.
Meanwhile, AAA’s taping in Queretaro
AAA TV (FRI) 08/03 Auditorio Jose Maria Artega de Queretaro
1) Mascarita Divina & Octagoncito vs Mini Abismo Negro & Mini Histeria
2) Aero Star, Pegasso, Rey Cometa, Super Fly vs Cuervo, Espiritu, Scoria, Toxico AAA
3) Alfa, Apache, Fabi Apache vs Cinthia Moreno, Laredo Kid, Oriental
4) Alan Stone, Super Calo, Zumbido vs Crazy Boy, Extreme Tiger, Joe Lider
5) Elegido, Intocable, Zorro vs Abismo Negro, Antifaz, Histeria
6) Charly Manson, Chessman, Cibernetico vs Kenzo Suzuki, Ozz, X-Pac
(more about this show here)
This is being touted as Intocable’s return. It’s the 5th straight taping with a Hell Brothers vs Foreign Legion themed main event, and 12 out 13 since Rey de Reyes. (The other was AAA Tecnicos vs Foreign Legion.)
AAA always hypes “surprises” for their shows. Usually, I just figure that means “run-ins”, but Ovaciones today revealed AAA plans on creating their own World Heavyweight Championship, and the process for determining the champion would seem to be announced on this show. (For the love of all that’s holy, do not do a league again.) Ovaciones also mentions AAA will downplay or drop other World Title belts that are hanging around.
I am 100% behind this idea, and have been expecting it since Konnan got involved. I’m all for adding titles if it means we’re getting rid of more pointless ones. If I got to make these decisions, I think I’d say
DELETE
– AAA Campeon de Campeones (held by Cibernetico – a previous kinda attempt at this same concept)
– GPCW Super-X Monster Title (held by La Parka Jr. – it can disappear till the next time Juvi runs a show)
– AAA Americas Belt (shows up once a year with Sangre Chicana)
– UWA Light Heavyweight (let it float back to Monterrey, but not on TV unless they’re taping there) and any other UWA belt I can’t think of (Miss Janeth’s Women’s title, if she still has it)
– Any IWC or WWA belt which may or may not still exist. Any belt that I don’t mention below.
PUT ON THE SHELF
– Mexican Heavyweight Championship (Charly Manson; eventually, you can use it as a secondary title, but it confuses the issue when you’re trying to make up a new belt)
– Any Mexican National Championship Octagon or La Parka Jr. holds – the Cruiser belt may be lost in some closet, let’s leave it there. They haven’t done a thing with the Middleweight Title since Octagon won it, that’s perfect. The new AAA Tag belts have supplanted the Mexican ones, which is exactly right. All this needs to be taken a step further – you don’t have to vacant them if the wrestlers insist, but don’t make any references to these belts. It’s a bigger deal for someone to win a championship if they don’t already have two other ones they don’t care about.
KEEP
– AAA Heavyweight
– AAA World Tag (Crazy Boy & Joe Lider – would like to see more with this, but it’s fine enough so far)
– Mexican Atomicos Title (La Secta – though they’ll probably want to upgrade this to World at some point)
– AAA Mascot Tag Titles (Alebrije, Cuije – not wild about these, but they work fine enough)
– AAA Mixed Tag Titles (Oriental, Cinthia – only as long as they’re doing something with them)
That’s five. Five is usually plenty, though the those two special tags make it seem not as much. I’m anticipating that the end result of Mascarita Sagrada 2000 issues with AAA will be him walking off with the National Title and Mini Histeria winning a new AAA Minis Title (though there’s the difficulty of doing two new titles at once.) I wouldn’t be surprised by women’s title or some sort of cruiser/middleweight midrange getting added down the road either.
Wow, I wrote way too much about that, without even spitballing ideas for who’d win the new title. (It’s going to be Mesias vs Cibernetico, obviously.)
ArMex results are up… seems like a normal show… with Wagner and Ultimo Guerrero agreeing to have the masks match in the anniversary show…
I like how next week’s lineups are so awful, the web guy actually fell asleep while updating them.
I like how next week’s lineups are so awful, the web guy actually fell asleep while updating them
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Well it’s up in full now – and the addition of the segunda has improved the overall card quite dramatically.
Just a shame the bastards built my hopes up for a few seconds up when i saw ‘Neutron’ in the segunda, until i realised it is obviously a typo for ‘Nitro’! :(
Another 3hr show would be nice next week – hopefully to include the Neutron match from the Coliseo!
Another 3hr show would be nice next week – hopefully to include the Neutron match from the Coliseo
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And just after saying that, the schedule is up it’s back to 2hrs. :(
Which no doubt fucks everything up because we now won’t get Valiente/Flash/Comando (on the following weeks b-show), nor the Neutron coliseo match.
What we probably will be stuck with is Arena mex top 3 which includes that horrid ‘especial’ with those turds Jindrak and Koslov.
Ah well. :(
I don’t even see a point in having titles since they’re rarely defended and rarely play any significant role in story lines.
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I don’t even see a point in having titles since they’re rarely defended and rarely play any significant role in story lines.
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I agree, it would be waaaaaay better if they ended all their matches with masks and hair challenges and never deliver anything.
RE: Chui, Ok there Mr. Know it all, and how often do you see title matches in AAA? You make it sound like we see title matches on a regualar basis just like in the WWE.
My post was a comment on AAA’s lack of title situation. If you don’t agree, prove me wrong. When was the last time guys feuded over a championship and DIDN’T end their feud with either a mask or hair? Yah that’s what I thought, you have nothing.
Zorro vs Manson vs Electro Shock series of title matches lasted quite a while. So did the MexiPower’s and Secta atomicos series, then the tag titles. Mini Abismo and Mascarita Sagrada were at the start of a title feud, when Mascarita nearly got killed and it was scrapped.
Of them, only the Manson and Zorro ended in a hair vs hair, which was more of an afterthough to strengthen the AAAMania card, the match were Manson got the title was actually the climax of the fued, while the hair vs hair match was the start of the masked Zorro saga.
“If you don’t agree, prove me wrong.” I actually said “I agree”, so I don’t know why you thought the opposite idea. Just when did I make it sound as if we see titles on a regular basis as in WWE?
RE: Chi, buddy you know you were being sarcastic when you “agreed” with me. It was quit obvious.
The climax of the Zorro/Masnon/Electroshock was Zorro getting his head shaved and getting the demonic mask. That’s what the big deal was, nobody remembers any title change when they think about that.
No body remembers Zorro getting shaved for that matter.
Then, as you can read upward, they were two statements, one “I agree” (yep, middleweight, cruiserweight, monster, and the several HW titles are not used right now), and the second statement, “it would be waaaaaay better if they ended all their matches with masks and hair challenges and never deliver anything.” was sarcastic and an easy shot to the CMLL booking, you should know that all CMLL house shows matches end with masks and hair challenges, while AAA house shows rarely pull that trick up.
The pop for that title change was one of the biggest AAA pops of the year from what I remember. They built it well with Zorro retaining the belt vs Manson and Electro in big matches until finally Manson’s finisher was built up so well that as soon as he locked it on in the big title match, the place exploded knewing the change was coming.
IIRC, Manson and Zorro never agreed to have a hair match, it was in a post match promo were Zorro issued the challenge to Ciber who said “Fine, I’m sure Charly’ll accept”, which is pretty anti-climatic. I’m positive that Peña got cold feet thinking the Parka-ris vs Muerte Cibernetica (who was not over at that point of time) was not big enough for AAAMania and booked the hair match, but the feud had been worked for the title all the way, unlike some other companies where they issued masks matches challenges, and put a trios match, ends with mask challenge, they deliver a title tag team match, a return match, a singles match, etc.
Somehow, AAA has been able to sell the gimmick matches as something big for their fans, cage matches, street fights and chain matches draw well for them, so they don’t really need to be teasing masks/hair matches all the time. I assume they’ll bring out their own titles so that they can put them on the line in those gimmick matches.