lucha times for this weekend

Sorry about being off about the late night show. I should’ve remebered that last time we only got an overnight airing, they didn’t bother with a new episode. Same deal here. The delay puts us at a ten week backlog.

Saturday: Normal times. you’ve got Santo vs Averno for the title, an undercard cibernetico, and the other two matches don’t look so bad. A whole lot of mediocre good stuff. (What was I thinking when I wrote that last week?)

Sunday: Uh, no show. The programing lineup doesn’t look like they have any special programming scheduled for the 2nd. Don’t know what’s up with that; it is on TiVo’s schedule for next week (which changes), but at the odd time of 9AM.

News is backlogged, by the fact that I can’t figure out who the UWA Heavyweight Champion is.

2004 Tapatia Awards Ballot

Hi!

This is the first Tapatia awards, designed to honor the best in lucha libre over the past year. We encourage all fans to vote, and let their voice be heard on the previous twelve months of Mexican lucha libre. This year of voting will cover the calendar year 2004. Matches taped in Mexico in 2003 but first aired in the United States and Canada in 2004 will also be considered eligible.

As this is our first year, there’s some experimenting going on to see what works and what doesn’t. In order to get a handle on how much work this would be, we’ve cut the ballot down to the eleven awards. This year, there will be no “Worst Of” awards. We’ll not be doing comments in addition to awards, but we highly encourage voters to follow up the winners announcement with their thoughts.

Voting will be held from December 26th, 2004 to January 10th. One ballot per person. Send completed ballots to luchaawards@thecubsfan.com. Ballots to other addresses may not be counted!

Categories with first thru third voting will give 5 points for first, 3 points for second, 2 points for third. Categories with first thru fifth voting will give 12 points for first, 8 points for second, 5 points for third, 3 points for fourth, and 2 points for fifth. Tie and split votes will be thrown out.

Any match in any location using the Mexican lucha libre style are eligible to be included. Shows in the US and elsewhere using this style are included. Japanese lucha libre promotions such as Michinoku Pro are not included, but Japanese tours by Mexican lucha libre promotions are included. Female and mini wrestlers are eligible for all categories, unless otherwise specified.

Quick descriptions of the awards:
1) Best Wrestler – top wrestler over the last year.
2) Best Match – should be obvious. Please include the date the match happened.
3) Best Tecnico – greatest good guy
4) Best Rudo – for the entertaining evil-doers
5) Best Tag Team – two person team. Had to team up during the year.
6) Best Trio – three person team. Had to team up during the year.
7) Best Promotion – outstanding organization. If regional/city promotion, I’d appreciate if the region was specified.
8) Best Rivalry – most interesting/exciting/entertaining feud. Can be person vs person, or people vs people.
9) Best Legend – wrestler over the age of 40.
10) Most Improved – wrestler who stepped up their game the highest from 2003
11) Most Underrated – wrestler who’s deserving of more attention from both the promotion and the fans

I (thecubsfan) am the sole dictator of the awards, and my decisions will be final.

Please cut and paste the following ballot to luchaawards@thecubsfan.com.. Do not post your ballot in this thread.

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Lucha Times for a few hours from now

Late with the update. I’m busy this week. Though not making toys or checking lists or anything interesting.

Saturday: Because of Christmas Shows, there’s no afternoon showing of what looks like a really good show. Set your VCR for the over night airing, because you’ve got Santo vs Averno for the title, an undercard cibernetico, and the other two matches don’t look so bad. A whole lot of mediocre stuff.

Sunday: Another two hour show, which didn’t seem to be good as this group.

WHV got in a shipment of new CMLL tapes a week ago, and it’s allowed me to correct and fix some upcoming lineups. The listings for the next couple weeks should be good.

It just occurred to me what the confusing in translation message from last week.

As separately mentioned, the replacement Arena Mexico tapings during these holiday weeks are being bumped to Saturdays. That would cause problems for the TV show in Mexico; the show typically airs Saturday with footage from the day before, but since the show isn’t til later that night, they’ve got no footage to air. Instead of airing new stuff, they’re going to air Best Of stuff, as they were referring to.

Well, they do have Wednesday stuff, but work with me. This kinda makes sense.

I’m going to keep listing probable lineups, if I’m wrong and they’re airing new material, but that’s the theory I’m working with.

CMLL 12/18 – #162

So. I wanted to started a thread about this week’s CMLL show, but I never could quite find time to finish the recap

(Trying to work through a dungeon on FF2 was more more stress relieving in a busy week than recapping slaps, too.)

Instead, I just watched the rest of the show and took notes while I watched. Did anyone else watch?

Nitro, Dr. X, Sangre Azteca vs Neutron, Virus, Tony Rivera

I actually finished the recap on this one. I was pleasantly surprised on how much time they showed – used to these being two minute lookins. I liked Nitro the best here, though probably would’ve apperiated Sangre more had we gotten to see the finish frog splash live. Tony and Dr. X looked good, but also had a really obvious looking blown spot

Zumbido, Misterioso Sr., Misterioso Jr. vs Olimpico, Okumura, Mr. Mexico

Misterioso is my boy, because he knows I’M NOT WITH THEM. He was pretty cool at the Va Voom shows. I think he may only have one outfit, because he wore the same one here he did for both of those shows.

First fall was more lucha mat work than we usually get on the show, and I’m a fan of that. I appreciated Misterioso and Olimpico doing it a little more aggressively than usual, and going jaw to jaw instead of the standoff.

I expected second fall to quickly end up in a rudo beatdown, so it was a neat switch of pace to see more of a post-comeback “tecnico running thru all the rudos” stage. Okumura obviously has learned from his time here, because he did a fine faked low blow. Beatdown was okay. Acceptable teamwork from a trio I don’t believe teams much, if ever. The crotch on the post spot is getting a little overdone, but it was more hurt by the camera work total exposing Zumbido stopping himself well short. The pinfall set up on Misterioso Sr. looked a bit missed up – the rudos didn’t know if Okumura was going to do at first, and then Misterioso Sr. though he wasn’t getting pinned. Mr. Mexico’s powerbomb on Misterioso Jr. looked especially rough. Good that they got the Mr. Mexico pose pin in. Bad that Zumbido was so unconcerned about his dead teammates, he talked to the announcers. He really need to be turned back.

Third fall beatdown makes me think they needed a flashier rudo on this team. I think all three guys are good guys as solid members of groups, but maybe not good together. Okumura has some good strikes. Misterioso Jr. torture rack neckbreaker on Mr. Mexico looked similar out of control as the powerbomb. They were obviously showcasing him in the ring, and I wish we got better shots of that than going to the outside stuff. Zumbido’s botched tope was scary, one of those ones where you’re just thankful it only went that bad. (If you didn’t see it, he clipped the middle rope with his knee on his way thru the ropes. He luckily stayed horizontal, but he got no forward momentum as a result and flopped to the floor, too short for Okumura to catch; Okumura still managed to get a boot upside the head trying. Shot of him later showed Zumbido busted up from a cut on his head) They were still trying move Okumura back up here, so the rollup finish off Misterioso Sr. works, though they’re really established him as a non-factor in his two appearances this year.

Capos vs Blue Demon Jr/Pierroth/Hijo de Pierroth was nice in Apolo Dantes got on TV for the first time in a long time. And Universo wears the CMLL Heavyweight Championship to the ring. And the surprise Blue Demon Jr. was a neat follow up to last week. But he’s hanging out with the wrong crew. I just have no interest in anything Pierroth related, and little interest in anything Capo related. I got he impression that El Hijo del Pierroth might be entertaining and I like Blue Demon, and I couldn’t find a way to give this much attention. Hate the excessive violence DQ, hate that Demon didn’t care Pierroth unnecessarily cost the team the fall.

The piledriver on Demon was awesome, even though I don’t understand how a DQ wasn’t ruled. Maybe it was a NO DQ and I forget? Maybe Universo’s speech explained it was no DQ?

Stellar Moments: Super Comando and Ramstein’s double team was pretty neat.

Terrible, Hector Garza, Tarzan Boy vs Negro Casas, Shocker, Dr. Wagner

The ongoing process of Terrible trying to figure out who he’s supposed to be is always fun. I think he’d be very promising in an US-style lucha promotion, where he could be more of a monster heel character. CMLL seems to prefer dirty cheating rudos exclusively, which is great for guys like Garza but doesn’t quite fit Terrible; Vampiro’s the only one I can think of who’s booked like a monster.

I wish they had shown more of the TV build to Dr. Wagner’s turn; it’s kinda sudden and out of nowhere for those who are just watching TV, because they only got the little bit about his father’s death, and hints of it during the cibernetico. They at least needed a vignette explaining it, and there should’ve been time on a two hour show. His entrance is neato, though.

Kinda weird week when we get four matches and none start with a beatdown. Which is fine with me. You want to build to Wagner getting in the match for the first time. Crowd seemed extra into this match – they came off as loud on the broadcast, and TV apparently ratchets them down a few decibels.

I can’t believe TNA has Garza
– as a face
– as a guy who doesn’t do mat work

Talk about completely missing the boat. It’s to the point that when I figured out they were building to a Nash/Hall vs Garza/Piper match, I skipped pass thinking “why god why” and tried to figure a way for him to turn heel and it make sense. Or make sense in the TNA way.

I’m not sure what was greater; Garza’s first fall finishing moonsault, or the prayer after the pinfall.

I thought it was good how they teased Wagner might go either way, even into the third fall. Negro’s really got the reversal into the reverse DDT looking good. I don’t like the corner dropkick in the face, because it seems so dangerous for something that means nothing – but maybe that’s the rare case of CMLL camera work actually making something look more brutal than it was. The POSE! was funny. Garza going down his knees to take on Monito while laughing at him, and then selling the punches as huge was fun. Wagner beating Terrible made sense given the (non verbalized) set up, though it was kinda surprising how they had him kickout of Garza’s powerbomb and Tarzan’s nominal finisher. I guess the low blow is a welcome to the tecnicos side – though not much of one, with them leaving and all. They need to explain this all more next week – there’s a match from Coliseo scheduled that could help.

Even with the Capos/Pierroth stuff (which probably wouldn’t be bad if I wasn’t numb to it), this was one of the better shows of the year. Opener and second match were good, and the main event was cruising at an easy keeper pace till the cop out finish. Pretty satisfactory.

Best Of Lucha followup

Been thinking about this some more. Xposted to LuchaWorld (and if we get to a ballot, I’ll probably stick it a few more people to hopefully get some votes.)

How the time period is set up affects everything to some extent, not just the best matches. You may think someone else is best wrestler, best rudo, worst whatever, depending on what matches you see. Right now, for all of us who don’t take trips to Mexico (mysterious or otherwise), we’re basing our Best Of picks on ten months of the year.

The two logical options I can think of are

1) base everything on what you saw in ’04, and allow the lagged stuff to count as ’05
(possible addition: matches taped in ’04 and not aired outside of Mexico till ’05 may be given double eligibility – if you saw ’em ’04, you can vote for them in ’04 and you can vote them again in ’05)

2) Wait till March, when at least all of the 2004 CMLL footage should’ve aired (if someone can figure out the AAA airing pattern, that’d be sweet because it’s all Hindi to me), and do awards then.

I think 2 might be more accurate, but I think 1 might work better in practice. I could be swayed either way.

What do you think?

12/20 news – upcoming lineups

I wish I went to Mexico City! If only the wrestlers of Mexico City could come here…

CMLL is running their bigger show on Tuesday this week, with the Friday show moved to Saturday (Christmas Day instead of Christmas Eve.)

1) Shockercito, Bracito de Oro, Fantasy vs Pierrotito, Gitanito, Pequeno Violencia
2) StarMAN, Tigre Metalico, Ultimo Vampiro vs Ramstei, Mogur, Reyes Veloz
3) La Mascara, Tony Rivera, Brazo de Oro vs Veneno, Nitro, Maximo
4) Shocker, Atlantis, Black Warrior vs Pierroth, el Hijo del Pierroth, Pierroth Jr.
5) Dr. Wagner (c) vs Canek for the UWA World Heavyweight Championship.

I expect the belt shifts back to it’s normal owner as Christmas present.

Saturday‘s show has a main event they’ve built to for a while.

1) Ultimo Dragoncito, Mini Olimpico, Bracito de Oro vs Mini Violencia, Bam-Bam, Espectrito
2) Tigre Blanco, Brazo de Plata Jr., Sombra de Plata vs Arkangle, Dr. X, Koreano
3) Sagardo, Alan Stone, Virus vs Okumura, Masada, Azteca
4) Dr. Wagner, Negro Casas, Mistico vs Canek, Averno, Mephisto
5) Dos Caras Jr. vs Olimpico

Way before his rudo turn, wasn’t there talk Olimpico could be dropping his mask? I gotta figure this is probably a big enough program for it to happen.

There’s always the usual Sunday show, but it doesn’t seem to be terribly newsworthy

1) Meteorix & Molotov vs Flecha & Jeque
2) StarMAN & Los Rayos Tapatios (I & II) vs Mesala, Caligula, Guerrero Del Futuro
3) La Mascara, Virus, Tony Rivera vs Veneno, Loco Max, Nitro
4) Felino, Volador Jr., Sagrado vs Emilio Charles, Averno, Mephisto
5) Mr. Niebla, Dr. Wagner, Mistico vs Hector Garza, Rey Bucanero, Terrible

CMLL.com says they’ll return to Arena Mexico the last week of January, which would be 01/28.

HOWever, some people may be otherwise occupied. ChicagoWrestling.com’s got the lineup for a double shot follow up to the show I went to a couple weeks ago.

01/29/05 – Cicero, IL (Sat)
($25 vip/$15 adult/$7 child, doors open at 6:30)
1) Horoscopo/Lanza Llamas vs Yakuza/Dragon
2) Principe Franky/Swat Cat vs Mr. Coraje/Reo
3) XTassis/Silver Star vs Guerrerito del Futuro/Mini Halloween
4) Felino/Virus vs Rey Bucanero/Ultimo Guerrero

01/30/05 – Aurora, IL (Sun)
($25 vip/$15 adult/$7 child, doors open at 6:30)
1) Mascara de Jade vs Swat Cat
2) Principe Frankky/Sagitario vs Mr. Coraje/Holy Terror
3) Xtassis/Silver Star vs Guerrerito del Futuro/Mini Halloween
4) Felino/Virus vs Rey Bucanero/Ultimo Guerrero

Even though I’m 90% sure they’ll do the same top two match both nights, I think I could be convinced to go to both shows. (That’s how far gone I am, I guess.) Surely going to at least one. Anyone else going?

Edit: Related DVDVR thread.

I’m about 25% done with this weekend’s TV. I’d like to take a chunk more out of that, and then talk about awards or not awards later tonight.

edit: sleep now. try this later.