AAA #837 (06/14)

taped 05/29, aired 06/14

I don’t know if anyone’s going to agree with me, but the Hell Brothers vs Teddy and Jack was so much better than match last week. It felt like there was an actual story, and the Hell Brothers were content to sell a lot more than I would’ve expected.

I’m the opposite of excited for more Parka/Konnan. I guess it’s better than Konnan vs Octagon as representative as the “heart of AAA”, but I wish they could find another alternative (that used neither guy.)

All AAA departures are not the same; not going to miss Martha in the ring, for one. Totally not interested in Hermandad/FdT stuff, but that’s no surprise. The Vipers/Abismo stuff seems off the rails at this point, but they’re still doing video packages for the program so AAA must’ve not given up quite yet.

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Mid Year Awards

(and also CMLL/C3 discussion thread?)

The year is a shade more than half over. Who’s leading the award categories right now? Of the top of your head, what do you have for…

1) Best Wrestler

2) Best Match

3) Best Tecnico

4) Best Rudo

5) Best Female

6) Best Unit

7) Best Promotion/Territory

8) Best Rivalry

9) Most Improved

10) Most Underutilitzed

I’ll throw my answers in the comments

07/05: Mexico, lineups

CMLL (FRI) 07/04 Arena Mexico [superluchas, ovaciones, ESTO]
1) Artillero & Súper Comando b Angel de Oro & Hijo del Faraon
2) Pequeño Damian 666 & Pequeño Violencia b Shockercito & Tzuki
3) Rey Bucanero, Sangre Azteca, Último Guerrero b Blue Panther, La Sombra, Sagrado
4) el Hijo del Perro Aguayo b Volador Jr., Alex Koslov, La Máscara, Stuka Jr., Felino, Ohara, Averno, Mephisto, Ephesto [Leyenda de Plata, cibernetico, semifinal]
5) Heavy Metal, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas b Dr. Wagner Jr., Héctor Garza, Místico

Rudos took the 1st and 3rd falls of the main event, and only lost the second because they ripped off Mistico’s mask. Wagner’s mask was ripped to shreds after the match. They’re teasing the Niebla/Wagner singles match as well as the Casas/Mistico/Garza tag title match.

Order of elimination in the LdP match: Ohara, Stuka, Felino, Ephesto, Averno, La Mascara, Alex Koslov, Mephisto and Volador Jr. was pinned by Perro to win it. Ephesto and La Mascara were strecher-ed out with injuries. Perro almost got in to a fight with Tony the cartoonist.

Today’s Lucha Libre London Links (that aren’t total repeats)
- London TV Person tries lucha libre.
- Cassandro interview. He brought the CHIKARA belt to London!

The CMLL TV show is listed here as 90 minutes long (!) also sounds like all the non-match segments from the two MVS shows strung together. (Perhaps that’ll mean they won’t show those pieces on the GdR shows anymore.) If they are showing a match on the show, it’s not as important as the seven or so interview bits they mention here. One of those interviews is with Paco Alonso, which sounds pretty interesting but probably won’t be.

CMLL (TUE) 07/08 Arena Mexico
1) Angel de Oro & Sombra de Plata vs Artillero & Zayco
2) Ángel Azteca Jr., Hijo del Faraon, Tigre Blanco vs Bronco III, Puma King, Tiger Kid
3) Metálico, Metalik, Mictlán vs Arkangel de la Muerte, Dr. X, Nitro
4) Alex Koslov, Marco Corelone, Máximo vs Diamante Negro, Terrible, Texano Jr.
5) Dos Caras Jr., La Máscara, Shocker vs Misterioso II, Rey Bucanero, Último Guerrero

That segunda confirms the Tiger Kid rudo bit wasn’t a one week thing. Felino’s the only tecnico in the family right now. The Metalico/Metalik/Mictlan trio is great for confusing people on names. The Fabian/Diamante feud seems dropped.

CMLL (FRI) 07/11 Arena Mexico
1) Astro Boy & Molotov vs Calígula & Méssala
2) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Marcela vs Amapola, Hiroka, Princesa Sujei
3) Dr. Wagner Jr. vs La Sombra, Sagrado, Hijo del Fantasma, Máscara Púrpura, Heavy Metal, Black Warrior, Sangre Azteca, Virus, Loco Max [Leyenda de Plata, cibernetico, semifinal]
4) Atlantis vs Blue Panther
5) Héctor Garza & Místico vs Mr. Niebla & Negro Casas [CMLL TAG]

Atlantis doesn’t get the tag match he wanted, but the singles match should be okay. It’s a fairly packed show, with that, the tag title match and the LdP cibernetico.

I think the challengers are slight favorites, because they’ve been dominate in this feud so far and it doesn’t seem time to change things. Strange that it’s Mr. Niebla getting the spot and not Heavy Metal, but that actually may improve their challengers chances.

The easiest way to get two straight sell outs is to have Dr. Wagner win this Leyenda de Plata cibernetico. Wagner vs Perro is a sell out, the winner vs Mistico is a sell out. I don’t know if they want to give those matches away with a one week build, but it seems a pretty safe bet either Wagner or Perro will be facing Mistico in a couple weeks. There’s no other tecnico (or rudo, for that matter) in this match that has a chance versus Perro. The only alternative I can imagine is Metal winning this so they can do his match with Perro Jr. they’d been teasing before the change of direction (and it’d also explain the change in challengers), and Mistico/Metal could even play off the greater feud.

07/04: AAA, Mexico, notes

AAA

AAA Munoz (WED) 07/02 Auditorio Miguel Barragan [El Sol de SL]
4) Joe Lider, Nicho el Millionario, X-Fly b Crazy Boy, Juventud Guerrera, Ultimo Gladiador
5) Alan Stone, Chessman, Cibernetico b Cuervo, Mesias, Ozz

The article neglects to mention who Mesias was teaming with, but I figure I’ve got better than a 50% shot (since Ozz seems to be his regular partner.)

AAA Global (WED) 07/02 Parque Revolucion, Culican [noroeste
1) Estrellita, Mascarita Sagrada 2007, Pimpinela Escarlata b Mari Apache, Mini Abismo Negro, Yuriko
2) Gronda II, La Parka Jr., Super Porky b Head Hunter I, Pirata Morgan, Pirata Morgan Jr.

Recapper noted the main was a lot of show and little fight. That's a good decision for that tecnico crew.

CMLL (FRI) 07/04 Arena Mexico
1) Angel de Oro & Hijo del Faraon vs Artillero & Súper Comando
2) Shockercito & Tzuki vs Pequeño Damian 666 & Pequeño Violencia
3) Blue Panther, La Sombra, Sagrado vs Rey Bucanero, Sangre Azteca, Último Guerrero
4) Volador Jr. vs Alex Koslov, La Máscara, Stuka Jr., Felino, el Hijo del Perro Aguayo, Ohara, Averno, Mephisto, Ephesto [Leyenda de Plata, cibernetico, semifinal]
5) Dr. Wagner Jr., Héctor Garza, Místico vs Heavy Metal, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas

Ovaciones says Dr. Wagner is looking for revenge. ESTO asks will everyone just turn on Dr. Wagner tonight?.

I haven’t really given much though to the LdP this week, and it doesn’t seem to have generated much of buzz elsewhere. My instinct is you can divide up these participants like this

no chance: Stuka Jr. (happy to be here), Ohara, Ephesto
little chance: Alex (just too many ahead of him), Felino, Mephisto, La Mascara
decent chance: Volador Jr., Averno, Hijo del Perro Aguayo

Volador is not a tippy top guy, but he’s high enough to lose in the final. There’s not even a hint of a direction, nor word if Mistico would face the winner. Just because I assume that’s going to happen, I’m just going to assume they’re on schedule for the annual summer match between Mistico and Perro Jr. and advance him here.

(Reforma via Sick Mistico @ Box Y Lucha) Dos Caras Jr. didn’t get offered enough money to make it worthwhile, so he’s not going to WWE for the moment. The big news here is they had him wrestle his tryout match versus Snitsky. I can not even imagine.

ESTO called up Ultimo Guerrero, and asked him what’s the deal with that mask match in Leon with Dr. Wagner Jr.? UG says he did sign, and Wagner eventually did sign in front of the commissioner for the match, and he thinks it’ll either be in two weeks or the start of August. However, he could not rule out other people being added to the match - that’s out of his hands.

Rumor: Lady Apache back to AAA.

SoloWrestling lists a CMLL Tour of Spain for August, from the 14th to the 22nd. Atlatnis, Dos Caras Jr., Volador Jr., Euforia and Metalik are scheduled. Mistico originally was on the schedule, but is going to the Olympics to commentate on swimming and gymnastics instead. Which is very strange, but they’re running another tour in October that’s supposed to include him. It’s not yet clear how many guys are going in total.

(Reforma via Jazzo) Angel de Oro talks about his debut in Arena Mexico tonight. He’s 19, confirmed as another Ultimo Guerrero invite and training in Satanico’s class.

In a press conference for tonight’s show in Tijuana, Damian 666 was surprised to find out he was scheduled for a cage match. That’s fantastic. There’s nothing on the line in the Shocker/Marco/Scorpio vs Damian/Terrible/Texano match, so he probably feels a bit safer.

Hablando de catch has photos of CMLL exhibits at the Lucha Libre Expo

More Lucha Libre London coverage
- Snato interview with the Daily Star
- BBC Mundo article about lucha libre
- ESTO on the tour

AAA (MON) 07/07 Arena Cuatro Caminos Nuevo Laredo [RFC]
1) La Parkita & Mini Hombre Sin Miedo vs Mini Black Mamba & Mini Chessman
2) Black Fenix, Principe Diamante, Street Boy vs ?, Black Mamba, Rio Bravo
3) Escorpion Negro, Tigre Cota, Tito Santana II vs Antifaz del Norte, Histeria, Psicosis
4) Hombre Sin Miedo vs Picudo [hair, mask]
5) Crazy Boy, Juventud Guerrera, Ultimo Gladiador vs Joe Lider, Juventud Guerrera, X-Fly

I may finally have that correct.

CMLL FSE #95 (06/07)

taped 05/25, aired in the US on 06/07

This is where FSE skipped 3 episodes. I’ll just pretend there was an episode they said hi to me in here. Yea…

Anyway, both the opener and the main event were fun. They’re not all they could be, but they’re more than they usually are in on this show. It’s funny that the one time Metalik doesn’t actually almost kill himself in a match is the time I make a joke about it anyway. Sangre Azteca’s finisher is one of my favorite things in all of wrestling.

Main was fun in the 1+1+9 format. Alex keeps coming close to winning titles - maybe he’d go all the way if he knew all the rules. I didn’t plan it out this way, but it works out nice that you can compare/contrast this with the TNA match tonight.

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07/03: Mexico, GDL

CMLL

CMLL (TUE) 07/01 Arena Mexico [SoloLuchas: 2, 3, 4, 1/5, Notimex, CMLL]
1) Sensei & Tigre Blanco b Artillero & Zayco
2) Hiroka, La Nazi, Medussa DQ Goddess, Luna Mágica, Sahori
3) Mascarita Dorada, Pequeño Olímpico, Último Dragoncito b Pequeño Violencia, Pequeño Warrior, Pierrothito
4) Blue Panther, La Sombra, Valiente b Diamante Negro, Misterioso II, Virus
5) Marco Corelone, Shocker, Volador Jr. b Atlantis, Sangre Azteca, Último Guerrero

In the segunda, Rudas lost the first fall, got DQed in the second for excessive violence and referee violence. It was probably probably for the best that one only went two falls.

(MT) Shocker, acknowledging being booed on this show, says he’d switch to the rudo side if that’s what the fans want. He also he’d like to see Perro on the tecnico side and him on the rudo side, and then we’ll see who’s actually a good wrestler. Shocker throws out challenges to Atlantis, Ultimo and Rey, and is interested in working in TNA. Volador did work this show, but if he doesn’t end up working the TNA one, Shocker would be a fine replacement.

CMLL (SUN) 06/29 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Palacio Negro b Quazar
2) Imposter & Magnum b Egipcio & Fraile de la Muerte
3) Depredador, Malefico, Rafaga b Guerrero Samurai, Metal Blanco, Metatron
4) El Gallo, La Sombra, Tony Rivera b Exterminador, Mr. Trueno, Rey Trueno
5) Nube Roja b Guero Loco [hair]
6) Mr. Niebla, Rey Bucanero, Toscano b Alex Koslov, Blue Panther, Rayman

AAA (MON) 06/30 Arena Cuatro Caminos de Nuevo Laredo [KrisZ]
3) Aerostar, El Brazo, Super Fly b Escorpion Negro, Tigre Cota, Tito Santana II
4) Hombre Sin Miedo b Picudo
5) Antifaz del Norte, Pirata Morgan, Villano III b Cachorro Mendoza, Gronda II, Silver King

It wasn’t listed this way originally, but delacan @ SML says that singles match was a hair match. Edit: the hair match is next week.

CMLL (TUE) 07/01 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Thunder Boy b Carlo Roggi
2) Ebola b Azazel
3) Virgo b Rey Trueno
4) Metal Blanco CO Super Maquina
5) Casanova & Rayman DQ Infierno & Toxico
6) Gallo & Sagrado DQ Damián 666 & Mr. Aguila
7) Mr. Niebla & Texano Jr. DQ Dr. Wagner Jr. & Héctor Garza

This was the non-pinfalls show. Also the non title match show - I wonder if the commission decided Damian wasn’t a light heavyweight or they just changes plans. FWIW, it’s a CO after a Blanco dive, Toxico fouling Casanova, Perros fouling both tecnicos, and Niebla yanking Wagner’s mask again.

The July 7th Wrestling Observer says the WWE has talked to or talked about bringing in Dos Caras Jr. (who was at the SmackDown tapings, but did not appear in front of the crowd), Mr. Aguila, Damian 666, Grey Shadow (listed erroneously as Ricky Reyes - if you’ve heard his promos on FSE, you know who it is), and Sicodelico Jr.

The same newsletter says Mascara Divina is in line for a big push, which seems kinda of inexplicable. Divina hasn’t been on TV since Rey de Reyes, but I guess if no one else is sticking around…

Add Histeria to the rumored AAA departures.

Atlantis held a press conference yesterday to remind everyone his 25th Anniversary show is next Friday. I forgot, so that was nice of him. Outside of the ring stuff he’s doing that week is mentioned, but nothing yet for the actual show. Atlantis says he doesn’t even know if he’ll be in a trios match or a pairs next week. That doesn’t sound like the best job of promotion. Another article writes about Atlantis new movie, which actually sounds good.

Lucha Libre London article in the Guardian. Luchando Libre has video from the shows in Spain.

Hablando de Catch writes about the Moreno family, with photos thru the years.

Tickets go on sale for the July 20th Solidarad AAA TV taping tommorow. Anyone think AAA will actually put up Saturday’s taping lineup before Saturday? For those who have access to the secret AAA press website, is it up on there?

CMLL MORA (FRI) 07/04 Auditorio de Tijuana
1) Silver Star, Spyder Black, Star Boy vs Mandingo, Mazambula, Mozambique
2) Mascarita Sagrada & Tzuki vs Pequeño Warrior & Pierrothito
3) El Camaleon, Hijo del Rey Misterio, Lady Apache vs Mr. Maldido, Rossy Moreno, Super Maquina
4) Dos Caras Sr., Mil Mascaras, Sicodélico Jr. vs LA Park, Rey Misterio, Tinieblas Jr.
5) Marco Corelone, Scorpio Jr., Shocker vs Damián 666, Terrible, Texano Jr.

CMLL (MON) 07/07 Arena Puebla
1) Batman, Black Tiger, Toro Bill vs Aguila Guerrera, Black Terry, Furia Chicana
2) Dark Angel, Lady Apache, Marcela vs Amapola, Hiroka, Mima Shimoda
3) Centella de Oro, Hijo del Fantasma, Valiente vs Misterioso II, Policeman, Virus
4) Dr. Wagner Jr., La Máscara, Shocker vs Heavy Metal, Mr. Niebla, Negro Casas
5) Blue Panther vs Villano V

CMLL (TUE) 07/08 Arena Coliseo Guadalajara
1) Quazar vs Milenio
2) Palacio Negro vs Ebola
3) Virgo vs Exterminador
4) Thunder Boy & Tony Rivera vs Malefico & Máscara Mágica
5) Gallo & Valiente vs Vangelis & Virus
6) Averno & Dr. Wagner Jr. vs Mr. Niebla & Sagrado

I think y’all are right, and the show on Sunday is just with the CMLL Trios champs, not for the the title. I didn’t expect them to team often, so I guess it’s worth promoting when they do.

more notes about the Lucha Libre USA/AAA shows

MexicanWrestling.org lists a lineup for the AAA shows. I think it’s the same for both shows, but it’s not specific about that. Or all the wrestlers.

1) Mascarita Divina, Octagoncito vs Mini Charly Manson, Mini Abismo
2) Fabi Apache, Pimpinela vs Mari Apache, ?
3) Super Fly, ?, ?? vs Scorpio Jr., Decnnis, Psicosis
4) Super Porky, Octagon, ? vs Mesais, Ozz, Cuervo
5) Konnan, Zorro, Kenzo Suzuki vs Cibernetico, Chessman, La Parka Jr.

Opener actually just lists “Mascarita”, so I guess it could be Sagrada. Note Scorpio’s inclusion. He’s not going to work these shows, but that also means this card was figured out well in advance of the departures. Those TBDs aren’t because people left and spots need to be filled, it’s because the US promoters never got a full card to start (though Charly was probably that semimian mystery spot.) I would suspect the guys from the Warped Tour end up filling many of the empty spots. It’s not a special card but it’s pretty representative of current AAA.

There’s also an advertisement for an 08/01 PPV, featuring “Legendary battles of TripleMania”. Which translates to “matches from the last few years, with no particular care.”

LA PARKA -VS- CIBERNETICO

2004 TripleMania. Mask vs Mask, which goes unmentioned. Perhaps because of all the unmasked photos of Cibernetico.

DOME OF DEATH
The Mexican luchadores
Cibernético, Apocalipsis, Chessman, and Chary Manson
-VS-
The Foreign Legion
Kenzo Suzuky, X-Pac and El Mesías

TripleMania 2007. Apocalispis is the valet that appeared like twice, and that wasn’t even her name. They list as one of the greatest matches in the history of lucha libre. It must be fun to write ad copy.

BROTHER VS BROTHER
Charly Manson
-VS-
Electroshock

TripleMania 2004. This should be the match with the retirement stip, but Lady Apache and Electroshock shaved their heads instead.

FATHER -VS- SON
Juventude Guerrera, Sangre Chicana
-VS-
Fuerza Guerrera, Octagon

Spell check! I’m guessing this is the Juvi/Fuerza match from TripleMania 2007, except it was a singles match and they’ve got the seconds reversed. Like the previous match, it’s not a storyline that’s actually being followed up right now.

RUDOS -VS- TECHNICOS

MINI LUCHADORES
The Rudos
Mini-Chessman, Mini-Abismo Negro, Mini- Jerrito Estrada
-VS-
The Técnicos
Octagoncito, Mascarita Sagrada, La Parkita

This is from TripleMania 2006.

Skipping TripleMania on TV, to catch up live and to get people to pay for it would’ve worked for TV, or a better selection of great matches might have made this worthwhile. This is far from a Best Of - there’s one Important match here and maybe one Very Good match here. I’m all for supporting the product, but if you’ve really want to pay to watch AAA on your TV, you’d be better buying a DVD from Fredo or Bob or someone. I wouldn’t be surprised if buying the DVDs for the three full TripleManias ends up cheaper than this PPV.

Edit: On his podcast, Dave Meltzer says these two shows are supposed to be part of a larger tour, but he’s been expecting to hear the rest of the tour forever and still doesn’t know.

07/05-07 Lucha Times

posting schedule might be a little bit off until Monday.

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AAA-US: Last stop before TripleMania. Jack and Teddy continue their faction tour, facing every one but the Air Force. Mesais/Chessman, Gran Apache/Billy, and tecnicos vs Legion in the main event.

CAN52: I’m guessing one title match ends up here, and the title tournament has been running on the other show, so this has to go be Atlantis/Shocker.

CMLL-FSE: Block B of the AC tournament, and a women’s trios.

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CMLL: Assuming everything resets to normal, it’s still only an hour. That should still give time for the Leyenda de Plata and the main event.

FSE-MEX: what better way to hit 100 episodes than an Arena Coliseo Tag Team Title Match. The preview has that listed as the main event, so I may have the non-title matches swapped along wrong here.

AAA-MEX: Ozz vs Chessman leads to more Hell Brothers problems.

C3: Assuming everything resets to normal, you’ve got a normal tecnicos/Guerreros main event.

LyC: Gladiador tournament, if they’re still using the weekend taping.

AAA shows back in the US in three weeks

Yea, for real. I too thought Dave was loco when he posted his own disbelieving note on the F4/WO site, but…

- 07/26, San Jose, HP Pavilion (tickets from $30 to $70)
- 07/27, LA Sports Arena (same prices)

Don’t ask me who’s on the show. I bet they don’t even know right now. I don’t know how well a show with no promotion three weeks out will do, especially since anything to hype on AAA TV would have to been aired in Mexico already, given the gap for US TV. This is all going to be a local promotion deal. Ticket prices seem high.

AAA is doing one taping a week lately, and they don’t have any taping yet scheduled for this week. If they can get the production crew there, one of these shows makes sense for a taping.

AAA #836 (06/07)

taped 05/02, aired in the US on 06/07

This show peaked with Alebrije offering to trade his tag team title belt for his mini friend.

This was really the unannounced end of things. Abismo came back for this match, and hasn’t been back since. The end of Intocable, which took a while to take actually confirm and might get reversed in less time than it takes for me to post these things. The end of the Hell Brothers trio - Charly got hurt before the next taping, and it sure doesn’t look like Chessman and Cibernetico are going to keep things together until ‘09.

The only thing going the opposite way, the only welcome back is AAA’s female division. This is the start of a three week run for people who don’t happen to be named Apache to actually make TV. (Not that the Apache people aren’t lso good.)

If Zorro beating Mesias was supposed to get Zorro over as the legitimate top contender, they probably should’ve had him come close to winning the match at some point. I think I could go a long way without any more rudo/rudo matches, and I know plenty more are coming.

Opener is below just so we can all treasure the fine editing work.

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